Martin Atkinson today

[Koke]

If this was the Man City forum they would foaming at the mouth yelling conspiracy against them from refs, media, FA and UEFA. 

[Nick]

16 minutes ago, eblair said:

ndidi was already going to ground at beginning, he lost his balance 

i.e. was not a dive

Nonsense he bent his knee, lifted his foot in the air to simulate having his legs taken from him. He dived.

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

Not sure Ndidi's first warranted a yellow but he performed well on the whole.

Ndidis first was innocuous but came immediately after he had booked benteke (their first one) - I think it was a subconscious evening up.  Otherwise my only gripe about the officials was where I think vardy went to head a goal kick and the defender jumped behind him with his elbow down on vardy's shoulder... this was dangerous and a foul   Too much of that.  The big decisions were correct.  We lost because were  were not competitive.

Edited 16 December 2017 by foxinsocks

[David Hankey]

No good berating the referee although I agree some of his decisions were bizarre. When you play that poorly you expect to lose.

[The Horse's Mouth]

First was soft as shite, ridiculous, happened plenty of time during the game yet there wasn't free kicks given, the red was the right decision 

[Foxy-Lady]

16 minutes ago, Koke said:

If this was the Man City forum they would foaming at the mouth yelling conspiracy against them from refs, media, FA and UEFA. 

But this isnt the May City forum.....and it wasnt a conspriacy as the ref did get the big decisions right.....so what exactly is your point??

[foxinsocks]

5 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

But this isnt the May City forum.....and it wasnt a conspriacy as the ref did get the big decisions right.....so what exactly is your point??

I agree... let's not attack the ref coz we were pants.  I think we should close this thread.

[Koke]

4 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

But this isnt the May City forum.....and it wasnt a conspriacy as the ref did get the big decisions right.....so what exactly is your point??

 

That's exactly my point that we are not a conspiracy fuelled bunch like they are. We don't blame a 3-0 defeat on the ref.

[Legend_in_blue]

A poor performance normally goes hand in hand with a suspect refereeing performance.  Nothing different here imo.

 

[Matt]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

I agree... let's not attack the ref coz we were pants.  I think we should close this thread.

Agreed.

 

Listen, I'm someone who always gets on refs backs, moans when they make shit decisions - They need help.

 

But i'm not gonna sit here and make excuses for us being shit and blame other people or reasons.

 

I think anyone who is are being pathetic.

[st albans fox]

41 minutes ago, eblair said:

ndidi was already going to ground at beginning, he lost his balance 

i.e. was not a dive

So why the accentuation - he could have just stumbled to the floor 

 

You expect to get more of the 50/50 decisions at home but there is no rule to say you should 

 

sadly, as posted above Atkinson was far and away better than we were today !!!

[Donut]

Martin Atkinson refereed the game well.

 

He actually on 2nd reflection could have easily given palace a penalty and other than that was correct in all the major decisions he made today.

 

There is no legitimate criticism of his performance as it was one of the best and fairest refereeing displays in one of our matches this season.

 

 

Edited 16 December 2017 by Donut

[pazzerfox]

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

Brilliant refereeing display shame there isnt any consistency throughout the League though.

Couldn't agree more.  He got the major decisions correct but on another day we would have had a goal and a penalty!

[Brooksy]

Probs got em both right but booking Simpson for getting the ball was a disgraceful decision.

[Sunbury Fox]

As I've said in the post match thread my annoyance with the booking of Ndidi for the dive stems from the fact that by contrast with punishing Wilf for his only dive, Atkinson took no action against repeated obvious diving by Zaha. It seems like the refs are clamping down on dives in the penalty area but nowhere else on the pitch.

 

As for the Iborra push, it probably was one but you often get away with that stuff e.g. Slimani before heading home v Sunderland at home last season.

 

If the Simpson yellow is a booking then tackling has been officially outlawed. 

Edited 16 December 2017 by Sunbury Fox

[Chico1958]

I thought he was good and we were bad..........Simples

 

And by the way Palace weren't bad either.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

2 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

i have a few gripes with him today, in the fact Zaha was clearly going down pretty easy and one he should have been booked for in the second half for me, and always Zaha had a bit of a niggle at Simpson in the second half atfer Simpson had cleared the ball(2nd half too)

 

he was a bit inconsistent for me, 

 

This

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

I thought Ndidi was rather unlucky - not in terms the refereeing decision, but how the events unfolded - because;

 

• A fraction of a second before he falls to the ground, there is significant contact from behind on his back foot

• The other palace defender does dangle an ill-advised leg to trip over

• I suspect the contact Ndidi had is in mind, as well as the sight of the dangled leg

• Problem for Ndidi is this is happening in relative slow motion, so by the time he decides to ‘take the contact’ the dangled leg is being withdrawn and he is made to look silly, booked for a second time and sent off.

 

In terms of refereeing performance - I felt Atkinson had lost a bit of composure with the spate of bookings immediately after halftime. In my opinion Ndidi’s first yellow was given mainly because he’d shown a yellow to a Palace player only seconds earlier... but to try and apportion any blame this way overlooks our own deficiencies and attitude today.

[blueharmie]

50 minutes ago, Donut said:

Martin Atkinson refereed the game well.

 

He actually on 2nd reflection could have easily given palace a penalty and other than that was correct in all the major decisions he made today.

 

There is no legitimate criticism of his performance as it was one of the best and fairest refereeing displays in one of our matches this season.

 

 

Evening Martin. 

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Paddy. said:

I still think Iborra's goal should have stood. There really wasn't much in that. You see those given week in, week out.

Yep. 10 minutes later we had a corner; dann leaned into Morgan and nudges him off balance as he attempts the header. If you're consistent either it's a goal and no penalty, or no goal and a penalty.

 

I'd prefer the former - there's no point in set pieces even existing if slight physicality gets pulled up. 

 

Ndidi dived, but so did Zaha. How he didn't get sent off for three clear dives and a lunge at Simpson I don't know.

[Donut]

16 minutes ago, blueharmie said:

Evening Martin. 

Ok then. It was the refs fault.

 

No, it blatantly wasnt.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

25 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Yep. 10 minutes later we had a corner; dann leaned into Morgan and nudges him off balance as he attempts the header. If you're consistent either it's a goal and no penalty, or no goal and a penalty.

 

I'd prefer the former - there's no point in set pieces even existing if slight physicality gets pulled up. 

 

Ndidi dived, but so did Zaha. How he didn't get sent off for three clear dives and a lunge at Simpson I don't know.

 

Key differences - Tomkins immediately stopped and looked to the referee to give the foul... plus the fact it was a more obvious foul

[The Doctor]

Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Key differences - Tomkins immediately stopped and looked to the referee to give the foul... plus the fact it was a more obvious foul

So basically Morgan should have just stopped and ignored the header, then it would have been a penalty? Nah. A fouls a foul whether the fouled party tries to play on or not. 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

20 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

So basically Morgan should have just stopped and ignored the header, then it would have been a penalty? Nah. A fouls a foul whether the fouled party tries to play on or not. 

 

Possibly - why do players go to ground? To attract the attention of the referee. When a player Trieste to stay on their feet, invarouably they don’t get the decision.

[Ted Maul]

Got the Ndidi decision right, but where's the consistency? Both Benteke and Zaha threw themselves to the floor on a booking.

 

Would have still lost though, we were shite.