Martin Atkinson today

[Corky]

Looking at the Sky highlights, Ndidi's booking for a dive was fair, the disallowed goal was soft, they should've had a penalty but Zaha was throwing himself to the ground a couple of times which was unpunished.

 

They were deserved winners but the disallowed goal could've made things interesting.

[Rogstanley]

Ndidi was clipped prior to the fall but didn't go down. You shouldn't need to have to go down to get a foul - a foul is a foul regardless and the referee should have given it. Ndidi then goes down to try and claim what was rightfully his and gets sent off - awful refereeing.

 

Meanwhile Zaha dives about the pitch all afternoon while on a booking, no second yellow. Borderline criminal refereeing, really pathetic inconsistency. Awful refereeing.

 

Iborra's push happens 100 times per game. Fair enough, give the foul, disallow the goal but you've then got to give the other 99 fouls too otherwise you're being inconsistent. He didn't give any others, not one. Awful refereeing.

 

Easy to say the decisions didn't matter because it's 0-3 and we were never really in it, but had the decisions been consistent throughout it would have been 1-2 and 10v10 going into the last 15 which would have changed the whole complexion of the game.

Edited 16 December 2017 by Rogstanley

[filbertway]

Can anyone find these Zaha dives. I watched the game and I don't remember him diving once.

 

I remember Iborra bumping into the back of him, making Zaha stumble and fall. I don't remember a dive though.

[Jaspa]

Got it wrong earlier, Nige called Mike Dean the most arrogant man he'd ever met.

Phil Jagielka did call this Ref arrogant last year though

[Head Honcho]

Should have booked Benteke for his barge on Casper and his failure to do so set the tone for the rest of the match. Palace got all the big calls but they did deserve to win. Book Benteke....different game!

[Number 6]

Haven't watched it all back but quick comment on the Ndidi incident: there was a foul on Gray a short while before, Gray tried to stay on his feet and so got nothing. Refs want to stop diving they've got to call a foul even when the player doesn't go down (assuming the one on Gray was a foul of course).

[Super_horns]

I did think it was a dive but then some West Ham bloke did and won a penalty at Stoke so its hardly a surprise players do it.

 

As for Zaha - well he seems to get so many free kicks from going down easily.

 

Foul for goal? Probably the sort of thing that summed your day up.

 

Might not be given by other refs.

 

 

[Callabinho]

I have to disagree... dive and push spot on... but he was constantly giving free kicks every time they hit the deck. He was far too stop start today, he got lots of little things wrong, but unfortunately for us two big ones right. 

[jayfox26]

He got the main decisions right, probably got a few small decisions wrong but we absolutely cannot attribute any blame for today on the ref. Palace were better than us, end of. We are not Mourinho like and should not be blaming anyone but our own players for todays result. Got to say though,Spurs getting smashed did cheer me up. They really are an overrated pile of shit! 

[Guest Bilo]

Desperately poor refereeing performance today.

 

He got the Ndidi decision right, but the Iborra one was a decision was a puzzling one. Atkinson seemed incredibly strict on that decision and incredibly lenient on rough Palace tackling elsewhere. Coupled with the very weak officiating as Palace seemed to get every vaguely contentious decision in their favour, and you have a very poor performance from Atkinson.

[The Doctor]

9 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Haven't watched it all back but quick comment on the Ndidi incident: there was a foul on Gray a short while before, Gray tried to stay on his feet and so got nothing. Refs want to stop diving they've got to call a foul even when the player doesn't go down (assuming the one on Gray was a foul of course).

On the half way line when grey went past and I think MacArthur just took a grab at him? 

 

Yes, they need to stop deciding whether it's a foul or not based on whether someone goes down, but ndidi was still an idiot: there's a stamp on his ankle, he should go down there or not at all, not try to carry on, lose it then go down. If he goes down with the stamp on the ankle, yellow would be another atrocious decision, but to go on, then go down once the balls gone? We were giving Zaha pelters for that and rightly so.

[Wymsey]

7 hours ago, Bilo said:

Desperately poor refereeing performance today.

 

He got the Ndidi decision right, but the Iborra one was a decision was a puzzling one. Atkinson seemed incredibly strict on that decision and incredibly lenient on rough Palace tackling elsewhere. Coupled with the very weak officiating as Palace seemed to get every vaguely contentious decision in their favour, and you have a very poor performance from Atkinson.

Thought Albrighton was lucky to have gotten away with his tackle on Benteke in the box in the second half. Clean-through swipe, and no where near the ball; although I guess as Benteke wasn't really in a goalscoring opportunity (as the ball as the time of the tackle wasn't in front of him on a plate for him to shoot) - and that could've made Atkinson's mind up not to give a penalty.

Edited 17 December 2017 by Wymeswold fox

[Livid]

I don't like Atkinson plain and simple. Where Moss is incompetent and Reed is just useless, Atkinson has a style of refereeing which just winds me up.

 

Two of the three games we lost in our title winning season had him in charge. He's quick to reach for that soft first yellow and that backs him into corner. He did it when he sent off Simpson at the Emirates a couple of years ago  and he did it again yesterday with Ndidi. 

 

The first was a very harsh yellow and he was clipped from behind for the second, regardless of the dive that should have been a penalty. One goal in it and 11 v 11 and who knows!

 

We were abysmal yesterday but I still can't stand him.

 

Edited 17 December 2017 by Livid
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[WigstonWanderer]

They replayed the Albrighton incident several times on the box, and I kept watching it trying to see why it shouldn’t have been a penalty.

 

Some of his other decisions seemed either harsh or inconsistent or both. Poor performance I thought from someone who’s supposed to be one of the better refs.

 

That wasn’t why we lost though.

 

Edited 17 December 2017 by WigstonWanderer

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

30 minutes ago, Livid said:

I don't like Atkinson plain and simple. Where Moss is incompetent and Reed is just useless, Atkinson has a style of refereeing which just winds me up.

 

Two of the three games we lost in our title winning season had him in charge. He's quick to reach for that soft first yellow and that backs him into corner. He did it when he sent off Simpson at the Emirates a couple of years ago  and he did it again yesterday with Ndidi. 

 

The first was a very harsh yellow and he was clipped from behind for the second, regardless of the dive that should have been a penalty. One goal in it and 11 v 11 and who knows!

 

We were abysmal yesterday but I still can't stand him.

 

If he had gone down at the clip it could have been a peno. But he wasnt on standby looking for a peno, so he didnt dive at the first touch, then it occurred to him to dive. Diving is an art, no room for hesitation

 

He let us off with the peno for Albrighton.

 

We all know we cant blame the ref for yesterday. 10 minutes in it felt like you knew what we were going to offer

[Spudulike]

Do we know for which match Wilf is suspended ??

[jon1bc]

A second before Ndidi went down there was contact and had he gone down then we may have had a penalty. Unfortunately he left it too late

[thebartonfox]

Just to make it clear before slagging the ref, we fully deserved to lose and we did not lose because of Atkinson. We lost because we were poor and Palace were decent.  

 

However, I do think Atkinson had a poor game. Decisions off the top of my head I thought were bizarre were giving the foul for the push by Iborra, not giving Palace a penalty for the tackle by Albrighton, the Simpson yellow card was just strange, and what I saw as the double standards he used for the two sides. As I recall the only foul he gave for a push was the one by Iborra, it wasn't a big shove and there were plenty of others (by both sides) he gave nothing for. If you give that there should have been dozens of free kicks and penalties. Albrighton got none of the ball and took the man from behind, stonewall penalty. Simpsons tackle for the yellow was as perfect challenge as you could wish for, took the ball cleanly and then slightly caught the man well after playing the ball. If he'd given a foul I would have been raging, but to book him? Couldn't get my head round it. Maybe a totting up thing to give the ref the benefit of the doubt, but if you want to book him at least do it for an actual foul! Ndidi definitely dived in my opinion, though the first yellow was arguably a bit harsh when you look at what Palace players were getting away with. And while I agree it was a dive and a yellow, the way Zaha and Benteke were going down all match I don't get why neither of them were booked. A dive is a dive, surely it doesn't matter if it was in the box or not? A final general comment was that he just seemed to lose control of the match after halftime, giving fouls for the most innocuous things and bringing out the yellow at every opportunit.

 

But yeah, we were poor and deserved to lose, which has nothing to do with the ref.

[chapero82]

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, chapero82 said:

This shows the impact at the beginning Wilf shouldn’t have made it look so dramatic! 

[winteriscoming]

17 hours ago, SpazticChicken said:

Irritates me when fouls get different results depending on which side of half time it is. He gave 0 in the first half and then threw them around like confetti second, Wilf's first was very harsh IMO. Shouldn't be called game management, punishment should fit the offence and visa versa, show consistency so people know the line they shouldn't cross; not just 'oh it's second half now, time for high stakes 45©, brought to you by EA Sports'

 

He has history does the most arrogant man Nigel Pearson had ever met. But really it was a poor performance from the lads even more so, we shouldn't be looking for excuses really - just watch out for egotistical refs in future and play accordingly

The ref pearson was on about was mike dean when we played spurs away. 

[yorkie1999]

Can’t have a former England manager taking a club down can we

[tylesta]

18 hours ago, Paddy. said:

I still think Iborra's goal should have stood. There really wasn't much in that. You see those given week in, week out.

 

We lost because we were shit, but Atkinson was poor. Ref'd as though it's a non-contact sport.

Mate he pushes him out of the way correct decison

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

Do we know for which match Wilf is suspended ??

Tuesday

[Wolfox]

Got it mostly right…. It wasn’t clear at the ground if I’m honest

 

I thoughts Wilfs first was harsh

 

Albrighton challenge looked like a pen to me…. Most of this forum would’ve been going mental if it were the other way round 

Edited 17 December 2017 by Wolfox