Burnley post match 2-1 loss

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, bmouth_fox said:

A few have pointed out if you criticise the inclusion of Morgan by implication you are criticising Puel.

 

Perhaps Puel lacks charisma and motivation skills - but we’ll never know. I wouldn’t have thought Appleton does though.

Who knows bruv, we only see what happens on the pitch.  But I think the news about players unrest and these shitty performances, I think things can only go 2 ways, the manager goes or he is given full writ to bring his own players.  Exciting times

[Suzie the Fox]

6 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

err why when i edit a post does it repeat it grrrrr..... 

 

Edited 14 April 2018 by Suzie the Fox

[yorkie1999]

12 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

Much as you like Suzie. I know he was given today's result to prove he still had the backing of the players. He is history.

To be fair, they did look like they were trying their best

[Gazza3]

The first 10 mins  of each half we were terrible. Could this be down to Puels  boring team talk . It’s not the first time we have started poorly each half. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Who knows bruv, we only see what happens on the pitch.  But I think the news about players unrest and these shitty performances, I think things can only go 2 ways, the manager goes or he is given full writ to bring his own players.  Exciting times

Is it all out unrest though, or is it one player who hasn’t been told why he isn’t in the team? The Guardian Football podcast lot thought it smacked of a player from the title winning team, not in the current team but who has a good relationship with a journalist...

[STUHILL]

Just now, bmouth_fox said:

Is it all out unrest though, or is it one player who hasn’t been told why he isn’t in the team? The Guardian Football podcast lot thought it smacked of a player from the title winning team, not in the current team but who has a good relationship with a journalist...

Fuchs perhaps? 

[UPinCarolina]

3 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

The first 10 mins  of each half we were terrible. Could this be down to Puels  boring team talk . It’s not the first time we have started poorly each half. 

Any athlete will tell you that the halftime team talk rarely makes the critical difference. It’s an unexpected boost when it does.  If anything, we make great halftime adjustments. 

 

The problem is that we’re clearly not starting out with the right tactics.

Edited 14 April 2018 by UPinCarolina

[gerrytaggart]

Let Burnley cut their summer prep short and get dicked by a slovakian team no one had heard of.

 

Its all about getting it right for next season now.

[Callabinho]

Did anyone watch Man City last season? Pep had to work with what he had, but implemented his style so it was clear what he needed/and what any incoming player needed to do! It’s pretty much the same with Puel, he has a style and he won’t change it, he has largely changed the way we play, but like Man City of last year we don’t have the personnel to play in this style as of yet. Puel needs a chance to build his squad, he has to be given an opportunity, Shakey was and I think everyone knew he would ultimately get booted, so Puel deserves a time least a chance to show us what he can do! 

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, STUHILL said:

Fuchs perhaps? 

I just cant see it being Fuchs though, he has stated quite openly his future plans and that doesnt include playing for LCFC or even staying in the UK. This player unrest bothers me, i just cannot see any player openly going to a journalist and spouting stuff about his team mates, what i personally think is more likely is one player who is  pissed off with the Newcastle result and said some 'off the cuff remark' that has been totally blown out of proportion into PLAYER UNREST.

[KingsX]

We created many quality chances against the League's toughest defense.

 

If you're bored by our attacking approach, that's your personal reaction, but we are not "dire".  In goals scored we remain far and away the best of the rest (and in expected goals eighth, behind Palace).

 

We conceded on two Sunday league brainfarts by individual defenders, and that was the difference.

 

Yes, it's frustrating to keep watching the same weak links.  But why the rush to toss the baby with the bathwater?  Some players (Gray, Silva, Diabate, even Chilwell and Iheanacho) are showing improvement -- two steps forward and one back.  We should play them more and try to accelerate this.

 

I don't see the last five maches as meaningless, because they are a crossroads for Puel.  I assume the last six months of recruitment groundwork have been done with his vision in mind and some concordance on targets, so another change will be a setback.  I just hope he will now change out a couple of starters (three when Amartey is match fit) and show he can motivate a partly refreshed eleven.  The old guard are self-motivated -- or not -- no manager can reach them.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

5 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Fuchs perhaps? 

That was my first guess.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, KingsX said:

We created many quality chances against the League's toughest defense.

 

 

We conceded 2 goal in the first 10 minutes against a team that had only scored 12 at home all season.

[foxinsocks]

4 minutes ago, Callabinho said:

Did anyone watch Man City last season? Pep had to work with what he had, but implemented his style so it was clear what he needed/and what any incoming player needed to do! It’s pretty much the same with Puel, he has a style and he won’t change it, he has largely changed the way we play, but like Man City of last year we don’t have the personnel to play in this style as of yet. Puel needs a chance to build his squad, he has to be given an opportunity, Shakey was and I think everyone knew he would ultimately get booted, so Puel deserves a time least a chance to show us what he can do! 

I dont want to see it.  I have infact seen wnought to know i dont want to go there. Posession football is so 20th century

[foxinsocks]

7 minutes ago, gerrytaggart said:

Let Burnley cut their summer prep short and get dicked by a slovakian team no one had heard of.

 

Its all about getting it right for next season now.

I know what you mean.

 

But lets first admire what they have done.

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

We conceded 2 goal in the first 10 minutes against a team that had only scored 12 at home all season.

And tbh even the glass half full crew cant deny that, but it was individual errors dont you agree? Not something the manager has told the guys to do 

[Bunyip]

22 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Thank you

 

But on a serious note, do you really KNOW that? Im not questioning your perspective of todays performance but do you this as fact? 

 

I just did my 1st big one!!! (Post that is) and explained how i saw today and tbh i really dont think the manager was to blame. More individual **** ups than tactics.  I get that he put the team out, but apart from Wes (which i think there is more involved than what we know) i thought the team was ok

Old saying Suzie a poor workman blames his tools. Individual fvck ups happen maybe once, but when it keeps happening it's down to tactics. A few results either winning or losing prove nothing. Under Puel it has told us we are regressing as a team and as a club. Ok go and blame wes, who keeps picking him when it's clear he no longer has it at this level? The manager tha't who. The team was not ok because they had no belief in the tactics they were being told to play  and they have not been ok in that respect for months.  Believe me expect an announcement

 at the next loss if not before.

Edited 14 April 2018 by Bunyip

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Suzie the Fox said:

And tbh even the glass half full crew cant deny that, but it was individual errors dont you agree? Not something the manager has told the guys to do 

The manager picks the team, he motivates the players and he's supposed to organise the defence.

[Jacnah]

7 minutes ago, Callabinho said:

Did anyone watch Man City last season? Pep had to work with what he had, but implemented his style so it was clear what he needed/and what any incoming player needed to do! It’s pretty much the same with Puel, he has a style and he won’t change it, he has largely changed the way we play, but like Man City of last year we don’t have the personnel to play in this style as of yet. Puel needs a chance to build his squad, he has to be given an opportunity, Shakey was and I think everyone knew he would ultimately get booted, so Puel deserves a time least a chance to show us what he can do! 

I think you are spot on with this. What success would look like for Leicester and whether Puel is successful in that context, or not, will remain to be seen but the analogy is a really good one

[STEVIE B]

45 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

We were. We have played much worse and won - Brighton?

I’m as much against the negative aspects as you. I’m just trying to put a more balanced perspective forward 

[Mr Weller]

50 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

This Puel out nonsense is unreal. Watching today we had an unbelievable amount of possession in their half, loads of play in the final third. The players need to take a large share of the blame. The issue is clearly ability, I’m sorry but the squad is simply not good enough to play a more possession based style, and the alternative has been found out - we saw that under Shakey. Puel can’t help the squad he inherited, and god knows he tried to clear some of it out in January. We’ve seen player power at the club before and frankly I think it’s because a different way of playing frightens them. 

 

What i I saw today today was a lack of professionalism. I don’t mean that they players don’t care or aren’t trying, they really did try especially second half. More their professional ability to make good decisions, or play the right pass. It’s been the case all season, good passing and movement mixed with some really poor mistakes. Football is about the little moments not just the major moments.

 

I’m not picking on anyone in particular but Morgan, Simpson, Shinji etc are best their best. Chilwell looks a good player but at times he is so naive. At one point the ball looped out for corner and kasper just booted it, instead of catching the ball and making sure Burnley took their corner quickly. Nacho coming to the half way line with two men behind him, arms stretched out for the ball, to do what pass is back to Morgan. He should be showing for the ball much higher and creating space for others. 

 

A lot of these players have been at the club a long long time, and for me it’s all a bit stale. Poor passes and decision making are not Puels fault he’s just easier to blame. 

 

If after the summer things stay the same fair enough call for his head. But he needs a bit of time ffs. 

You make the best of the players you have. No manager, not even Pep has all the players they'd like.

 

Every manager that fails could just say, 'it's not my fault that the players aren't good enough'

 

Your logic is flawed 

[breadandcheese]

21 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Tactically  we have changed, we don't press high up etc hence the likes of Shinji are now clueless

I think it's a mistake not to high press

[foxinsocks]

19 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Who knows bruv, we only see what happens on the pitch.  But I think the news about players unrest and these shitty performances, I think things can only go 2 ways, the manager goes or he is given full writ to bring his own players.  Exciting times

To back puel you have to to buy into his vision and think he has the gravitas to be a leader and the charisma to attract top talent.  Its 3 nos from me

Edited 14 April 2018 by foxinsocks

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

The manager picks the team, he motivates the players and he's supposed to organise the defence.

Totally agree BUT that mistake was totally down to Wes and no one else. As much as you dont like Puel which i get peoples frustration with, but you when someone ****s up that has nothing to do with organisation. I just think blaming the manager over individual mistakes is harsh

[Dr The Singh]

14 minutes ago, gerrytaggart said:

Let Burnley cut their summer prep short and get dicked by a slovakian team no one had heard of.

 

Its all about getting it right for next season now.

Sour grapes my friend, we got to be bigger then that