murphy Posted 23 July 2018 Posted 23 July 2018 Musa surely. We have an offer on the table recouping 75% of our outlay and getting him off the payroll which is absolutely crucial. If he's still here dicking around with U23s on big money in November when the World Cup is long forgotten, we will kick ourselves.
oadby.fox Posted 23 July 2018 Author Posted 23 July 2018 1 hour ago, themightyfin said: Your title is Deadwood.Dont backtrack now you will make yourself look even more stupid. Not much of a backtrack when I stated in my original post that I would only think about 'perhaps even' selling Shinji on the basis of any potential new signings, which is to say that I don't really consider him to be deadwood and would like to keep him. In fact, I didn't cast a vote for him, Slimani and Amartey, he's last on the list for a reason because he came last to my mind. I knew that even including him on the list would probably ruffle a few feathers but I've seen a few comments where people are expressing the view that they think he should be moved on regardless and even if I disagree with those people, the point of this poll is to find out how many people would consider him to be deadwood to be cast adrift. The fact that some have put a vote in for Shinji demonstrates the fact that it wasn't absolutely insane to include him, and I'm someone who believes it to be possible to hold conversations with people who are of different opinions, so why not? It wouldn't be much of a poll if you only included the opinions which you agreed with, and the players I have selected are ones which I have noticed being talked about being shipped out on here, and ones which I would think it may be plausible for the club to sell either in this transfer window, or the next. I was interested to see who the top 3/4 players with the most votes would be. The title could be phrased a little better which I already conceded and I'm sorry if that offended you, but there is no real reason to resort to name calling on a discussion like this. If you disagree with what I said then you're free to disagree and provide an argument (in fact I would encourage it!), putting forwards a fallacy though surely doesn't serve much of a purpose. 1
Gerard Posted 24 July 2018 Posted 24 July 2018 3 hours ago, murphy said: Musa surely. We have an offer on the table recouping 75% of our outlay and getting him off the payroll which is absolutely crucial. If he's still here dicking around with U23s on big money in November when the World Cup is long forgotten, we will kick ourselves. I'm pretty confident our refusal was just a negotiating tactic. We'll surely sell at that price if we have to.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 24 July 2018 Posted 24 July 2018 (edited) Ulloa and Slimani immediately. James soon after, I like the guy but he's a backup CM who is never available due to injury. King does a very similar job and is available at the drop of a hat without fail, so he gets that spot in the squad for me. Indifferent about Musa, Benny and Mendy, if they want to kick around then cool but no sweat if they move on. Amartey and Okazaki shouldn't have been on the list. Edited 24 July 2018 by Sol thewall Bamba
Popular Post Spudulike Posted 24 July 2018 Popular Post Posted 24 July 2018 Shinji is one of the Immortals. He should never be described as dead wood. 7
hackneyfox Posted 24 July 2018 Posted 24 July 2018 5 hours ago, Spudulike said: Shinji is one of the Immortals. He should never be described as dead wood. He's an ageing immortal who got worse as last season progressed. Another, along with King/James/Ulloa/ Morgan, that I hope never even makes the bench in league games so may as well be sold.
Foxxed Posted 24 July 2018 Posted 24 July 2018 (edited) With Ndidi, Maddison, Iborra, Silva and Hamza in midfield surely Mendy, King and James are surplus to requirement? Edited 24 July 2018 by Foxxed 1
Gerard Posted 24 July 2018 Posted 24 July 2018 15 minutes ago, Foxxed said: With Ndidi, Maddison, Iborra, Silva and Hamza in midfield surely Mendy, King and James are surplus to requirement? There are over a dozen players in our squad we would gladly sell for just a fair offer. We're getting double whammied from our poor ill thought transfer business of recent years. Not only can we not take a big loss on a lot of our expensive transfers we end up not being able to get rid of them at all as they stay here on big wages and a few loan offers from shithouse clubs in Portugal and Turkey. I actually thought we were back on track after our early transfer business but then we blow £12.6m on a Championship standard reserve goalkeeper so we're just continuing making more problems for ourselves in the future.
Chrysalis Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 (edited) I am concerned, we acting pretty cash greedy lately, the fiasco at end of last season which lost us almost a season from a player because of a measly few million pounds (when we made 90 million profit), and the seemingly 0 transfer budget this season which I feel for puel as it looks like cant buy without selling based on the figures. But he cant sell if we turning down reasonable offers for players. Also shinji is most definitely not deadwood. Edited 31 July 2018 by Chrysalis 1
Steve Earle Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 Not the most interesting of topics but IMO we haven’t had as bad a player as Benny anywhere near the first XI since the ‘greatest escape’ season. In the highly likely event that there are no bids for him, we need to pay him to go!
Popular Post Alex_LCFC Posted 31 July 2018 Popular Post Posted 31 July 2018 Andy king put in a deadwood topic after what hes achieved as a leicester player? I agree hes not the 1st name to pop up on a starting 11 but when he gets the chance he either turnd up or work bloody hard. Clubs would do anything to have there own andy king surely 10
The_77 Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 On 24/07/2018 at 05:12, Spudulike said: Shinji is one of the Immortals. He should never be described as dead wood. So is Ulloa. 1
gurru991 Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 The polite title would be "Which players need to move on first' To use the title Deadwood to describe Leicester City players is just rude especially considering the achievements of some of those players. Why the need to be offensive ?
North Leeds Fox Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 We need to move on 5/6 of the players that have the least amount of chance to play like Andy king, James, benny etc. Like for example ulloa. Him and shinji are never deadwood, just never going to keep us up if required. Hopefully the immortals like shinji and Leo can pick their team and we will let them go for a small rate as they have given us their all and we are win by losing the wages that can strengthen our ambition for the next few years
psychonaut Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 Either change the title or promptly remove Ulloa, Shinji and King. 2
WigstonWanderer Posted 31 July 2018 Posted 31 July 2018 2 hours ago, Steve Earle said: Not the most interesting of topics but IMO we haven’t had as bad a player as Benny anywhere near the first XI since the ‘greatest escape’ season. In the highly likely event that there are no bids for him, we need to pay him to go! We’ll probably need him to start against Manu
volpeazzurro Posted 1 August 2018 Posted 1 August 2018 8 hours ago, Chrysalis said: I am concerned, we acting pretty cash greedy lately, the fiasco at end of last season which lost us almost a season from a player because of a measly few million pounds (when we made 90 million profit), and the seemingly 0 transfer budget this season which I feel for puel as it looks like cant buy without selling based on the figures. But he cant sell if we turning down reasonable offers for players. Also shinji is most definitely not deadwood. Do you actually know we've had reasonable offers for players or are you just blindly believing what some hack has written in the media? Musa for example. £12m offer made by a Saudi club, that's absolutely true is it, you know that? Payment all up front, or staggered with conditions? Are there other potentially better offers in the pipeline dependant on the movement of other clubs players? With full financial due diligence having be made, are there more financially viable loan deals? I suggest you just don't know as neither do I or anybody else. The chances are that if deals haven't been done, then a whole team of people with all the inside track on the financial ramufications of those potential deals have deemed them non viable or unsound for a variety of reasons. It's a multi million pound complex business. Decisions are taken for a reason and just because people on here don't know the full story behind those decisions doesn't make them wrong. I also find it laughable when the term ' cutting their losses' is used when it involves several million pounds of somebody else's money when in reality, if it was ours, we'd fight for every last thousand of it. Rich people don't stay rich long by giving their money away and if they do have to make a loss, they fight with due regard to all the circumstances to make it as little as possible. That's business. 3
oadby.fox Posted 1 August 2018 Author Posted 1 August 2018 8 hours ago, gurru991 said: The polite title would be "Which players need to move on first' To use the title Deadwood to describe Leicester City players is just rude especially considering the achievements of some of those players. Why the need to be offensive ? Sorry, it's an incredibly common expression which is often used to refer to squad players that are no longer figuring in the present or future plans of a club and when I originally created this thread, I overlooked the fact that some readers would be this sensitive about the matter. I don't think I am able to change the title now but if it were possible I'd like to change it to very-much-alive-wood, or just simply remove any wood references altogether. If you read my comments and original post, I do acknowledge the fact that I've included players who have achieved a lot, and are rightly club legends - the fact that some of them are club legends though, doesn't mitigate the obvious fact that we can't keep extending their lucrative contracts into their 40's (if we also want to be a successful premier league club). They are going to have to leave at some point though, just like other players and managers have left in the past. I do agree though that perhaps it is a little poor taste but I don't think it is as offensive as you think (although that might be a given), seeing as people are often offended by wildly different things. I apologise again for any offence caused. 8 hours ago, psychonaut said: Either change the title or promptly remove Ulloa, Shinji and King. Again, I don't think I am able to change the title or alter the poll and I am genuinely sorry about that - this is my first one so perhaps I have just missed the edit function? Again though, the insistence from some on just not even thinking about moving players on, or trying to police who should be included in the poll is a bit overboard. If it came down to it, I would keep Shinji over Musa and King over James but some people might have the opposing view, and I think that they should also be allowed to express their opinion. With regards to Ulloa, I personally think that some of the saintly reverence for him is a bit over the top. He achieved a lot with us in the premier league and has had some crucial moments, but he is a rapidly ageing player that went on strike last year saying he would never play for the club again (because he wanted to leave the club), who spent last season on loan after being pushed down the pecking order the season before. With all this in mind and the fact that he is even further away from the first team now, I don't think it's ridiculous to see his future elsewhere. “I can’t understand the situation or why they don’t let me continue playing my football somewhere else. If I stay at the club it’s going to affect seriously my career and my future. They know I’m not going to be used. The best thing for both parties is that they sell me to another club and I can continue playing my football somewhere else.” - Ulloa
WigstonWanderer Posted 1 August 2018 Posted 1 August 2018 (edited) Dead wood, not Deadwood Edited 1 August 2018 by WigstonWanderer 2
oadby.fox Posted 1 August 2018 Author Posted 1 August 2018 35 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Dead wood, not Deadwood It is actually deadwood when using it as a noun, dead wood would literally refer to a piece of wood that was dead. Might have to check this T.V show out though now
FoxFossil Posted 1 August 2018 Posted 1 August 2018 Are we at the Deadwood stage yet? Whip crack away, whip crack away.
mozartfox Posted 1 August 2018 Posted 1 August 2018 Any reported sightings of a Lumberjack over at the Training Ground this morning?
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 1 August 2018 Posted 1 August 2018 I'm sick of overpaid players twiddling their thumbs making out like they're victims. If your 29/30+ and in your twighlight fair enough, but anything younger, surely you should have some personal pride and insist on a move, even if your wages have to take a small dent. Okay I'm an idealist, but our squad is so bloated and I'm sure it's players wages that is the block to moving them on.
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