Why can't we score

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, La-li-lu-le-lo said:

Its evidently down to how we’re now playing. We do not look dangerous anymore. We’re slow, laborious and lack any kind of creativity. Maddison is too young an inexperienced to be relied upon. Next game I want to see Puel make a sensible decisions and just try Vardy and Shinji along side one another again. Vardy scores when Okazaki plays with him, always been the way. But unfortunately his stubbornness will prevent this. 

Couldn't disagree more.

For large parts of games we're dominant, attacking and controlling the game. We've been unlucky to not have battered a few teams. 

Shinji and Vardy were brilliant, but to stick with them isnt sustainable. We need to give Maddison minutes at 10, give nacho time with vardy and on the pitch. We have a huge amount of talent in that team that's developing right before our eyes

[Beechey]

13 hours ago, Stadt said:

We don't create good chances consistently enough and we haven't been taking the relatively few that we've made. Losing Mahrez is a huge blow and Maddison hasn't replaced his creativity in open play unfortunately.

Those three shots that came near the penalty spot were all from set pieces, the other two are from very wide positions that are difficult to score from. 

 

 

 

I agree mostly with you, but using a game where Maddison played 25 minutes to show why he's not a good creative outlet compared to Mahrez is a bit unfair. The previous game he played in (Cardiff) we created loads and should have definitely scored more than 1.

 

He sits far too deep for me though. We use busy midfielders that don't stop running, so there's no need for Maddison to drop into midfield, I'd much rather he be an outlet further forward and receive the ball from midfield to quickly turn and pass forwards, like he was doing at the start.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, l444ry said:

Can't put my hand on Hughes 40 year old stats surprisingly enough. But are you suggesting that Hughes wrote the "Winning Formula", reached the position of Director of Coaching to the FA and taught a philosophy that affected the game so dramatically on facts that didn't exist? 

I'm suggesting that if you cite stats to make an argument, it helps if they aren't 40 years old, you actually know what they are and have access to them.

[sylofox]

15 hours ago, StanSP said:

Do goals count more if they're scored from open play?

No they don't. But having the most possession does win you the Premier League. 

 

No hang on I perhaps need to re think that

[mozartfox]

3 hours ago, F1_AN said:

Don’t worry most fans want Wes in the defensive coach role soon...

Great.  Our problem solved.

[yks]

12 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

It's because we have the most cautious manager in the league.

 

If you offered Puel a 70% chance of a 0-0 or a 50% chance of a 2-0 then he'd take the safety of the 0-0 every time.

Yesterday we weren't happy with a draw and tried to win away from home with 10 men vs 11.

[Bert]

3 hours ago, Beechey said:

I agree mostly with you, but using a game where Maddison played 25 minutes to show why he's not a good creative outlet compared to Mahrez is a bit unfair. The previous game he played in (Cardiff) we created loads and should have definitely scored more than 1.

 

He sits far too deep for me though. We use busy midfielders that don't stop running, so there's no need for Maddison to drop into midfield, I'd much rather he be an outlet further forward and receive the ball from midfield to quickly turn and pass forwards, like he was doing at the start.

Being called up to England has hindered him. As much as he is a very good, intelligent footballer, I believe he’s stared to get a bit ahead of himself and believe his own hype. Needs to start putting the performances in he did that earnt him his England call up. 

[David Hankey]

18 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Last season under Puel we scored 4 times away from home 3 times and 3 once in three quarters of a season. We are a shadow of our former self without Mahrez. Theres been no improvement however much the local media will peddle the hype we're an exciting project. Dog shit and that's being kind.

 

However, after the tragedy of Vichai I think we need to just stick together for the rest of the season. 

No need to be offensive.

[Stadt]

3 hours ago, Beechey said:

I agree mostly with you, but using a game where Maddison played 25 minutes to show why he's not a good creative outlet compared to Mahrez is a bit unfair. The previous game he played in (Cardiff) we created loads and should have definitely scored more than 1.

 

He sits far too deep for me though. We use busy midfielders that don't stop running, so there's no need for Maddison to drop into midfield, I'd much rather he be an outlet further forward and receive the ball from midfield to quickly turn and pass forwards, like he was doing at the start.

Yeah that is a caveat I should have mentioned, he drops deep because he doesn't get the ball otherwise because Ndidi and Mendy aren't good enough passers to get the ball to him. Neither of the holding pair are particularly adept at carrying the ball either so he invariably drops deep to help our build which leaves our striker isolated. Our priority should be finding a midfielder that can progress the ball consistently as none our current options do.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Anyone lay their hands on our possesion stats in the final third? I imagine quite low as our posession heavily revolves around our centre halves passing sideways to each other.

[La-li-lu-le-lo]

6 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Couldn't disagree more.

For large parts of games we're dominant, attacking and controlling the game. We've been unlucky to not have battered a few teams. 

Shinji and Vardy were brilliant, but to stick with them isnt sustainable. We need to give Maddison minutes at 10, give nacho time with vardy and on the pitch. We have a huge amount of talent in that team that's developing right before our eyes

How many guilt edge chances do we create? Hardly any..... we move the ball from side to side without being at all dangerous. And we really don’t have a huge amount of talent. Chilwell and N’didi are currently our best prospect the others nowhere near, as someone previously said were believing the hype of the local media, we do not largely dominate most games were it, and for large periods looked pretty average against a poor Brighton side. 

 

I dont see anything developing other than a manager refusing to pick the best 11 he can, and is stifling our most dangerous player by making us pass the ball around rather than playing to our strengths, we got away with it last season because we had Mahrez.

[UniFox21]

26 minutes ago, La-li-lu-le-lo said:

How many guilt edge chances do we create? Hardly any..... we move the ball from side to side without being at all dangerous. And we really don’t have a huge amount of talent. Chilwell and N’didi are currently our best prospect the others nowhere near, as someone previously said were believing the hype of the local media, we do not largely dominate most games were it, and for large periods looked pretty average against a poor Brighton side. 

 

I dont see anything developing other than a manager refusing to pick the best 11 he can, and is stifling our most dangerous player by making us pass the ball around rather than playing to our strengths, we got away with it last season because we had Mahrez.

Go on, enlighten me with our best 11. 

 

But to think we don't have talent is ridiculous. Our team is full of young, promising players. Chilwell, Ndidi, Gray, Maddison, Ricardo is only 25, Nacho is 21. Barnes and Benkovic are having rave reviews on loan. We're in an extremely promising position. 

[Guy]

As another poster said, the signing of Maddison looked to have been the solution to our goal shy attack when he came in the summer and our obvious over reliance on Vardy, especially as Iheanacho didn't score as much as hoped in his first season (nor was played particularly regularly either) but now 'Mads' has been found wanting in his last few games he's played for us and looks a bit lightweight after a promising start to his time here : perhaps not helped by his dive to get his red card yesterday.

 

Ironically he reminds me a bit of Slimani when he first came here two seasons ago in so far as he scored for the first few games and looked like a highly useful addition the attack but then couldn't perform consistently well for decent spells throughout any of his time here by not making the most of his aerial power and so was allowed to leave. Hopefully Maddison's sending off yesterday will re-galvanise his form when he returns a bit but it hasn't helped his cause for now! Okazaki is struggling for form too when played.....

[Burgh foxes]

Vardy ain't getting the chances from the midfield like drinky did ,other teams know now ,that's why !!

[m4DD0gg]

Watching us play lately is soul destroying.......in puel we erm trust

[Burgh foxes]

Ask any saints fan ,under puel we will not look like a danger ,but mid table side ,is that what you want? wonder if the players can understand him ,I don't .zoonie army .

[whoareyaaa]

2 up front?

[whoareyaaa]

something like ..

             Kasper
 
       Morgan Evans Maquire

  Ricardo    Nididi    Chilly
       
         Maddison  Gray
       
          Vardy  Nacho

Maddision and Gray could be swapped with Silva/Mendy/Ghezzal

Ricardo and Albrighton can both play there.

We have the Turkish lad who could slot in the back three 

We are way to Neagative and not enough men forward.

   

 

[Mike Oxlong]

38 minutes ago, Burgh foxes said:

Ask any saints fan ,under puel we will not look like a danger ,but mid table side ,is that what you want? wonder if the players can understand him ,I don't .zoonie army .

 

I’m reassured by this given your command of the English language. 

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, Burgh foxes said:

Ask any saints fan ,under puel we will not look like a danger ,but mid table side ,is that what you want? wonder if the players can understand him ,I don't .zoonie army .

Funny how when we win this excuse isn't brought up...

[weller54]

3 hours ago, Burgh foxes said:

Vardy ain't getting the chances from the midfield like drinky did ,other teams know now ,that's why !!

Brilliant! 

There you go then, that's the mystery solved! 

Next question? 

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, Burgh foxes said:

Ask any saints fan ,under puel we will not look like a danger ,but mid table side ,is that what you want? wonder if the players can understand him ,I don't .zoonie army .

The irony.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

I’m reassured by this given your command of the English language. 

You're

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I've no problem with sideways passing to be in control of the game. But the play is too slow and not enough forward passes with intent. 

 

We lack creativity. That is the problem, not the strikers we have or don't have. Bar Maddison have we got an real creative players? 

 

Gray, decent but not creative. Albrighton, not creative. Hard working and his creativity comes from crosses which usually come to nothing. 

 

Not seen enough of Ghezzal to real judge but he's no replacement for Mahrez. 

 

Central midfield don't create a lot. Hard work, keep the cycle going, keep us solid is their role in the team.

 

Full backs are doing okay attacking wise, maybe need more end product if you want to be critical. 

 

For me, we need to see the ball move forward quicker, whilst in some passages of play at least. We need more from our inverted wingers and need to get more bodies in the box for crosses. 

 

If we are looking to strengthen I'd be looking at wingers with creativity. That can play inside and are not just a traditional winger. Easier said than done though. 

[dayday]

26 minutes ago, 80's fox said:

I've no problem with sideways passing to be in control of the game. But the play is too slow and not enough forward passes with intent. 

 

We lack creativity. That is the problem, not the strikers we have or don't have. Bar Maddison have we got an real creative players? 

 

Gray, decent but not creative. Albrighton, not creative. Hard working and his creativity comes from crosses which usually come to nothing. 

 

Not seen enough of Ghezzal to real judge but he's no replacement for Mahrez. 

 

Central midfield don't create a lot. Hard work, keep the cycle going, keep us solid is their role in the team.

 

Full backs are doing okay attacking wise, maybe need more end product if you want to be critical. 

 

For me, we need to see the ball move forward quicker, whilst in some passages of play at least. We need more from our inverted wingers and need to get more bodies in the box for crosses. 

 

If we are looking to strengthen I'd be looking at wingers with creativity. That can play inside and are not just a traditional winger. Easier said than done though. 

Spot on we are a much better side when we move the ball quicker.