Support + atmosphere

[HighPeakFox]

More bastards - yep, that's what the world needs right now.

[Corky]

It is such a shame unreserved seating doesn't happen, I've been to Barnsley several times and it worked perfectly.

[CosbehFox]

11 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think when the new stand gets built the club will be able to solve a few problems because I doubt they sell it out which will allow the club to sell match day tickets, they can then afford to reduce the price of a single match day  ticket and that will allow younger fans to be able to afford to go. 

When the King Power Stadium was built, the Kop was earmarked as where the atmosphere should be and it was also marked the cheapest. 

 

In reality people sit in the Kop because it’s the cheapest, not because of the atmosphere. The same would happen upon the extension. 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

It is such a shame unreserved seating doesn't happen, I've been to Barnsley several times and it worked perfectly.

Problem is that unreserved areas have to be filled at some percentage of their actual capacity. 

 

Easy bloody answer - is to suggest what blocks are aimed for differing portions of our support. One block for noise, one block for sitters. Even easier to steward that way 

[Harry - LCFC]

3 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

The biggest problem is the fact that every type of fan is mixed in together. If they had dedicated "singing/standing" sections and then a family section or seated/quiet section, whatever. Then it would work a lot better. Even away games, the club can dedicate block x to singing and block y to family. Make sure this is announced in advance. Then there is little excuse for fans not wanting to stand/sing if they are in that dedicated section or vice versa.

 

I agree with comments on here that everyone can watch a game as they please. However, I would still expect at least 50% of the crowd to make noise and get behind the team. I feel that this is part of the reason fans support their team on the road (and at home for that matter). Being happy with 90 minutes of no singing is strange in my eyes, at least as a majority view of a 3,000 or so crowd.

I think you rightly identify the problem that the people who are likely to sing are often spread out. Much better if those fans are concentrated in one area.

 

Difficult for us to organise ourselves, though not impossible I would add. The club could assist by designating an area as you suggest.

[Jackubu]

52 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Runs the supporters club. For years the club have been happy to co-ordinate tickets of people who travel together in this manner. We are talking a group of 50 to 100 people. 

 

So the club can very, very easily do something similar for those to who want to create a noise. 

But actively choose not to and deny requests to do so 

[HybridFox]

Don't get me started on the "fans" with their backs to the action trying to take selfies while the game is going on.

 

Maybe the clappers should be used for such target practice 

[foxinsocks]

 

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Runs the supporters club. For years the club have been happy to co-ordinate tickets of people who travel together in this manner. We are talking a group of 50 to 100 people. 

 

So the club can very, very easily do something similar for those to who want to create a noise. 

Maybe we should start the trivago foxes away support alliance. Sign up 100 and demand cliffs deal

Edited 23 April 2019 by foxinsocks

[OldBob]

A combination of the Plastic fans and Mr Puel have taken there toll on the club. Think after the title winning season it was expected to have a much more mediocre atmosphere for a season or two. But by now it should of been back to its best if it hadn't been for the shambles mediocre performances under CP. hopefully we'll see us back to our best under Rodgers next season 

[Footballwipe]

11 hours ago, rn9013 said:

Wow. Some of the distain shown towards other fans who happen to enjoy football in a different way to themselves is worrying. 

 

I don’t really care how s**t you think our away end is - if being a ‘hardcore fan’ that sings from start to finish means also moaning that many of our fans are ‘too old’ or ‘go with their bird’, then you can count me out. 

 

Seriously, this isn’t the 80’s. If the only way to create an atmosphere is by banning families, or ‘loved up couples’, or checking ages to ensure only young men attend away games, then I’d rather everyone sat in silence frankly. 

 

Edit: Just to say, I’m all for efforts to improve atmosphere, but let’s do so through inclusive means rather than just blaming our fellow supporters based on their characteristics.

Quite. I've been getting slowly sicker of this thread and the weird superiority complex some people seem to be having.

 

First of all, atmosphere, and the desire to create it, is no bad thing, of course it's not, and there are things, including organisation, that can be done better by everyone. Standing in horribly quiet parts of away ends is tedious. Also, there are issues with our away support. The incessant "can I have your shirt" signs and the filming of anything and everything being a couple of examples.

 

Can I also have a quick moan here myself right now and say that our chant library is the pits. I genuinely think there's an issue there.

 

That being said, people intent on creating a better atmosphere are going to do nothing for their cause by slagging off those that don't. The vast majority of those people have earnt their ticket because they go to every away game. Games sell out because of the rightful priority system that rewards loyalty to travelling away. If your mates can't get a ticket for their favourite away, maybe they should consider going to a few more?

 

Away tickets will never be perfect, but the "I make noise thus am better than you" is just a huge turn off. There was a guy behind me at West Ham on Saturday. Young guy who was getting angrier and angrier about the silence. He was calling fellow fans every name under the sun because no-one was joining in with him. NOT EVEN HIS MATES, though I'll assume he was a hypocrite and wasn't directing his weird anger at them. How is that going to help? I pity the guy really, and had no interest in associating myself with his angry form of support.

 

You've got the issue of groups piling into small sections to be with their mates, pushing others out and displacing them and blocking the view of those behind. Doesn't happen often but it has happened. Again, great for a little bit of noise, but does absolutely nothing for the long-term cause of getting people behind you if you're just pissing them off.

 

People talk about the demographic of noise coming from young men, and yet that seems to make up the majority of the people with their cameras out filming every free kick, penalty, corner. I nearly had to watch Maddison's goal against Huddersfield through a phone screen because two were thrust in the air to capture the moment.

 

We are never going to have the same level of away support as Man Utd. Never ever. It would require a purge of supporters that I assume some would love to happen, but just isn't going to. Yep, the club can do more to help those who want organised blocks. The drum was great at Huddersfield, I wish it could get into more grounds (though it didn't stop the stand being split on the speed of chants, which is a killer). I don't know about tickets over the phone but online you can literally pick your block and seat now, that's progress and seems to enable those who want to sit be at the front.

 

A few posts up were right, people moan but no-one does anything about it other than whip themselves into a storm. I don't have any answers on how it could be better, but I just wish people would be a bit more respectful of the mix of fans we have.

[Fox92]

I don't doubt the numbers we take, it's just the noise that is shocking. Doesn't help we don't have any good songs though. Even at home games the majority of people join in with that Vichai had a dream song and that's it.

[SemperEadem]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

I don't doubt the numbers we take, it's just the noise that is shocking. Doesn't help we don't have any good songs though. Even at home games the majority of people join in with that Vichai had a dream song and that's it.

http://www.unionfs.co.uk/songbook.html

 

Come on man you can't say looking at the above that we have no 'good' songs.

[Voll Blau]

7 hours ago, OldBob said:

A combination of the Plastic fans and Mr Puel have taken there toll on the club. Think after the title winning season it was expected to have a much more mediocre atmosphere for a season or two. But by now it should of been back to its best if it hadn't been for the shambles mediocre performances under CP. hopefully we'll see us back to our best under Rodgers next season 

 

That's the lamest excuse of the lot. People have forgotten how to open their gobs at a football match because of a man who's no longer our manager? Absolutely pathetic. Look at some of the shit the likes of Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, Sheffield Wednesday etc have to watch some of the time, and they still turn out consistently vocal away ends whatever division they're in. We're just a fanbase full of excuse-makers desperate to blame anyone but ourselves for the fact we can't be arsed to back our own team these days.

[Foxes1]

Problem is that it's not only the older fans that don't get behind the team if that's what people think. The younger lads are just as bad you go in a pub before the game and everyone is singing the songs / chants etc but as soon as they get in the ground they shut up, then you go in the concourse at half-time the chanting starts again but as soon as they get back to their seats some of them become dumb mutes. The time to get behind the team is in the ground not the pub / concourse.

[Fox92]

21 minutes ago, baker11 said:

http://www.unionfs.co.uk/songbook.html

 

Come on man you can't say looking at the above that we have no 'good' songs.

Oh yeah I’m not doubting you lot have some good ones but my point is not that many seem to join in. Even When You’re Smiling never gets a good airing. There’s always a song that absolutely everyone seems to join in with which seems to be the one I mentioned.  

[AKCJ]

20 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

*Adds "away end is a funny shape" to list of excuses*

I was in the lower 'tier' (if you can call it that) on Saturday.

 

Looked behind me and could see Leicester fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them (at the top, everyone lower down was sitting down tbf). Looked to my left and could see West Ham fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them.

 

Fact is that stadium has absolutely diabolical acoustics. 

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

I don't doubt the numbers we take, it's just the noise that is shocking. Doesn't help we don't have any good songs though. Even at home games the majority of people join in with that Vichai had a dream song and that's it.

Every song that is brought in these days is from some Greek side from the 3rd tier that only really works when 3k people know the words and someone bangs a drum in tune along with them.

 

Other than Sloop John B, we don't sing anything to a tune that most people know anymore.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

I was in the lower 'tier' (if you can call it that) on Saturday.

 

Looked behind me and could see Leicester fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them (at the top, everyone lower down was sitting down tbf). Looked to my left and could see West Ham fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them.

 

Fact is that stadium has absolutely diabolical acoustics. 

I was in there last season, and yeah it's not perfect. But it wouldn't be an issue if everyone who did want to sing was in the same part of the end, and it doesn't seem to be an issue when clubs who have a larger proportion of away fans who want to sing do go to that ground. Sadly we don't have that. I'm not saying the way that ground's laid out isn't a factor, but it's just another excuse that people want to use instead of just being honest and admitting a large section of our away following don't want to sing for whatever reason.

Edited 24 April 2019 by Voll Blau

[HighPeakFox]

35 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

 

That's the lamest excuse of the lot. People have forgotten how to open their gobs at a football match because of a man who's no longer our manager? Absolutely pathetic. Look at some of the shit the likes of Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, Sheffield Wednesday etc have to watch some of the time, and they still turn out consistently vocal away ends whatever division they're in. We're just a fanbase full of excuse-makers desperate to blame anyone but ourselves for the fact we can't be arsed to back our own team these days.

It's always someone else's fault.

[ealingfox]

20 minutes ago, Foxes1 said:

Problem is that it's not only the older fans that don't get behind the team if that's what people think. The younger lads are just as bad you go in a pub before the game and everyone is singing the songs / chants etc but as soon as they get in the ground they shut up, then you go in the concourse at half-time the chanting starts again but as soon as they get back to their seats some of them become dumb mutes. The time to get behind the team is in the ground not the pub / concourse.

 

This does happen and it is quite weird.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I was in the lower 'tier' (if you can call it that) on Saturday.

 

Looked behind me and could see Leicester fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them (at the top, everyone lower down was sitting down tbf). Looked to my left and could see West Ham fans clapping and jumping about but couldn't hear them.

 

Fact is that stadium has absolutely diabolical acoustics. 

I was about 6/7 rows back in the front portion and I reckon I was a good 100 yards from the back of the top tier where I could see lads giving it a good go. 

 

I hope when we expand the ground we separate the away fans like that as it killed what little chance we had of getting anything going. 

Edited 24 April 2019 by Sol thewall Bamba

[Sol thewall Bamba]

27 minutes ago, Foxes1 said:

Problem is that it's not only the older fans that don't get behind the team if that's what people think. The younger lads are just as bad you go in a pub before the game and everyone is singing the songs / chants etc but as soon as they get in the ground they shut up, then you go in the concourse at half-time the chanting starts again but as soon as they get back to their seats some of them become dumb mutes. The time to get behind the team is in the ground not the pub / concourse.

Yeah spot on, I don't know if these 'lads' just don't have the balls to open their gobs in the stand where the home fans can see them or what, but it is an absolutely baffling situation. 

[CosbehFox]

40 minutes ago, Foxes1 said:

Problem is that it's not only the older fans that don't get behind the team if that's what people think. The younger lads are just as bad you go in a pub before the game and everyone is singing the songs / chants etc but as soon as they get in the ground they shut up, then you go in the concourse at half-time the chanting starts again but as soon as they get back to their seats some of them become dumb mutes. The time to get behind the team is in the ground not the pub / concourse.

Yep no doubting that. Normally where some of the most awful criticism comes from as well 

[OldBob]

2 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

 

That's the lamest excuse of the lot. People have forgotten how to open their gobs at a football match because of a man who's no longer our manager? Absolutely pathetic. Look at some of the shit the likes of Newcastle, Leeds, Villa, Sheffield Wednesday etc have to watch some of the time, and they still turn out consistently vocal away ends whatever division they're in. We're just a fanbase full of excuse-makers desperate to blame anyone but ourselves for the fact we can't be arsed to back our own team these days.

We've had great success in recent years that has a attracted fans who were supporting the likes of Arsenal, United and Liverpool etc from the armchair of there cosy homes, whiles we were slugging it out in the championship and League one. Don't ever compare us to Leeds, Villa, Sheffield! Leed's last title win was before Phil Mitchell moved to Walford... those clubs don't hold any plastic fans anymore.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, OldBob said:

We've had great success in recent years that has a attracted fans who were supporting the likes of Arsenal, United and Liverpool etc from the armchair of there cosy homes, whiles we were slugging it out in the championship and League one. Don't ever compare us to Leeds, Villa, Sheffield! Leed's last title win was before Phil Mitchell moved to Walford... those clubs don't hold any plastic fans anymore.

So our ends are full of people who actually don't support Leicester, and *that's* why our away support is so bad? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

 

I don't doubt the *odd* glory hunter has manged to wangle tickets for games they'd no right to be at in recent years, but that doesn't excuse the rest of us.