Tielemans

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

If that’s true

id say we have no chance of getting him for that kinda of money

Maybe the management and coaching staff aren’t as impressed with him as we were !   Maybe they have alternatives they feel are just as good who will cost around 20m.

 

simply a waiting game to see what occurs - of course there is a possible scenario where the player absolutely only wants to come here and in that case, we hold the whip hand and it becomes a game of poker between the three parties ......  no doubt Youri and his agent would take a decent whack in that scenario 

[murphy]

5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Maybe the management and coaching staff aren’t as impressed with him as we were !   Maybe they have alternatives they feel are just as good who will cost around 20m.

 

simply a waiting game to see what occurs - of course there is a possible scenario where the player absolutely only wants to come here and in that case, we hold the whip hand and it becomes a game of poker between the three parties ......  no doubt Youri and his agent would take a decent whack in that scenario 

Then I stand by comment - buffoons!

 

3 goals and 5 assists in just a handful of games.  What would it take to impress them?

 

 

 

Edited 21 May 2019 by murphy

[bfox]

Maybe we don't just want to go around hastily throwing 20M, 30M, 40M around as it drives up other players prices when clubs know we are willing to do it. I reckon we will get him, and probably close to their valuation but it'll drag out a bit longer so we look like tight arses 

[HankMarvin]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

Then I stand by comment - buffoons!

 

3 goals and 5 assists in just a handful of games.  What would it take to impress them?

 

 

 

A Turkish winger who looks shit to most people that have seen him play in the last few years

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, bfox said:

Maybe we don't just want to go around hastily throwing 20M, 30M, 40M around as it drives up other players prices when clubs know we are willing to do it. I reckon we will get him, and probably close to their valuation but it'll drag out a bit longer so we look like tight arses 

This would be typical Leicester 

 

dont sign players that your your own fans rave about (and team mates)

 

sign old shit players, where the current clubs fans laugh when we are linked.

[Dahnsouff]

Our opinion as fans is one thing, but we are not privy to feedback from coaches ("This Youri is a billy big *****") nor scouts. ("We found this guy who is 10x better")

All we can really provide is a level of trust (To the club) and continued high levels of disgruntlement (Cos thats what fans are here for) and the occasional scream of delight/frustration.

Perhaps BR feels the money mentioned (£40m) could be better used on 1, 2 or x number of players. 

[Gerard]

It's part of the posturing, if an elite club come in for him then he'll go there anyway.

 

If an elite club doesn't come in for him then Monaco have no right to expect £40m when he goes to a club of our level. It's just part of the game and Jardim will want him gone and Monaco can't just expect us to match their asking price for a player who is surplus at a near relegated Ligue 1 club.

 

Once the transfer market gets properly underway there might be a situation when Tielemans doesn't attract an offer from an elite club and then the negotiations are more of a level playing field and we have Silva to exchange. 

 

If an elite club don't come calling he'll go there anyway, he's almost said as much if you read between the lines so our best strategy might be to wait it out for a month and see where the land lies. 

[Haywood_6]

19 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Our opinion as fans is one thing, but we are not privy to feedback from coaches ("This Youri is a billy big *****") nor scouts. ("We found this guy who is 10x better")

All we can really provide is a level of trust (To the club) and continued high levels of disgruntlement (Cos thats what fans are here for) and the occasional scream of delight/frustration.

Perhaps BR feels the money mentioned (£40m) could be better used on 1, 2 or x number of players. 

You'd rather have three more bang average players at £13 million like Rachid Ghezzal and Namaplys Mendy would you???. Tielemans will be worth double £40m after a year, he's been remarkable since he joined us, we should move heaven and earth to sign him!!!!

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Haywood_6 said:

You'd rather have three more bang average players at £13 million like Rachid Ghezzal and Namaplys Mendy would you???. Tielemans will be worth double £40m after a year, he's been remarkable since he joined us, we should move heaven and earth to sign him!!!!

Of course not, but as I stated, we don`t see the big picture, we as fans, just think we do.

Edited 21 May 2019 by Dahnsouff

[don_danbury]

3 hours ago, Shamomoa said:

got my hopes up when i just clicked on this thread... then i seen the previous comments :-( i can still hope its true! 

if you want the whole truth and nothing but the truth then follow martin cockshaw.

[volpeazzurro]

16 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

This would be typical Leicester 

 

dont sign players that your your own fans rave about (and team mates)

 

sign old shit players, where the current clubs fans laugh when we are linked.

Buying players who fans rave about shouldn't be a consideration. It's what is felt is good for the business which is what it is first and foremost before entertainment for the fans. I also feel that the team of people who will decide, including the manager and coaching staff who evaluate him every day are in a far better position to judge his skills and personal traits better than one day a week 90 minute viewers from the sidelines. They may even rate him very highly but have no intention of investing 40m on one player. It's the owners money and their choice if they want to invest a lot of money, a little, or spend the same amount on three players, or none at all. Some folk whistle 40m as if it's bugger all when our owners are no doubt resigned to taking a large financial hit from some of our lesser light poor buys if they can even get rid of them. Our owners have done brilliantly for us but whilst they may be multi millionaires, only they know what the ramifications are of the new Thai king and political situation on the future of their business. They may also have fingers in other areas of interest, only some of which we are aware of. Leicester City FC will not be the biggest consideration in their lives and they will finance it accordingly. Sorry to appear to piss on everybody's chips but we are not Man City or United with owners that will invest in a like manner, we are who we are.

[matty98]

Our club is a joke if we're not willing to spend over £20 million on this lad. He's proven quality, he fits in well and he's only young. 

[murphy]

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Buying players who fans rave about shouldn't be a consideration. It's what is felt is good for the business which is what it is first and foremost before entertainment for the fans. I also feel that the team of people who will decide, including the manager and coaching staff who evaluate him every day are in a far better position to judge his skills and personal traits better than one day a week 90 minute viewers from the sidelines. They may even rate him very highly but have no intention of investing 40m on one player. It's the owners money and their choice if they want to invest a lot of money, a little, or spend the same amount on three players, or none at all. Some folk whistle 40m as if it's bugger all when our owners are no doubt resigned to taking a large financial hit from some of our lesser light poor buys if they can even get rid of them. Our owners have done brilliantly for us but whilst they may be multi millionaires, only they know what the ramifications are of the new Thai king and political situation on the future of their business. They may also have fingers in other areas of interest, only some of which we are aware of. Leicester City FC will not be the biggest consideration in their lives and they will finance it accordingly. Sorry to appear to piss on everybody's chips but we are not Man City or United with owners that will invest in a like manner, we are who we are.

But the 90 minutes on matchday is when it matters.

 

I don't care if he trains like Thora Hird as long as he produces the goods when it counts, and he does.

 

It's not just Man City that paid out £40m+ our near rivals have too like Everton and West Ham.  Remember, we spent that much on Ward, Ghezzal and Benkovic.  None of them even get a game.

 

Quality over quantity please.

 

 

Edited 21 May 2019 by murphy

[themightyfin]

4 minutes ago, matty98 said:

Our club is a joke if we're not willing to spend over £20 million on this lad. He's proven quality, he fits in well and he's only young. 

I said £20m plus add-ons. The add-ons may be significant. 

[car1os]

Guys, lets have some context here - we spent £30 million on Slimani.

 

A £40 million deal (with Silva going the other way, valued at approx. £15 million hopefully) which includes add-ons would be a good deal for us IMHO.  Tielemans might be more expensive in wages but that should be covered by releasing Okazaki and Simpson plus getting Silva off the wage bill.

 

Rudders, get it done

Edited 21 May 2019 by car1os

[murphy]

26 minutes ago, Gerard said:

It's part of the posturing, if an elite club come in for him then he'll go there anyway.

 

If an elite club doesn't come in for him then Monaco have no right to expect £40m when he goes to a club of our level. It's just part of the game and Jardim will want him gone and Monaco can't just expect us to match their asking price for a player who is surplus at a near relegated Ligue 1 club.

 

Once the transfer market gets properly underway there might be a situation when Tielemans doesn't attract an offer from an elite club and then the negotiations are more of a level playing field and we have Silva to exchange. 

 

If an elite club don't come calling he'll go there anyway, he's almost said as much if you read between the lines so our best strategy might be to wait it out for a month and see where the land lies. 

Not if we get there first.

[matty98]

2 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

I said £20m plus add-ons. The add-ons may be significant. 

My bad, I read it as with add ons meaning including add ons

[leicesterseddon]

7 minutes ago, murphy said:

Not if we get there first.

 

That’s not how it works though. 

 

Monaco are under no obligation to sell him early in the window, or even at all. 

 

If they think they can get a bigger fee by waiting it out they will.  

[Gerard]

11 minutes ago, murphy said:

Not if we get there first.

 

He's not an item in a car boot sale.

 

His agent will know what clubs have shown an interest. There may be one or two elite clubs who have asked to be kept informed. Tielemans may well be their second or third option if they don't get their first choice. It's not in Tielemans best interest to commit to Leicester in May when he could get a better offer in a month or so. He probably feels we'll be there for him if nothing else materialises which may be one of the reasons we've distanced ourselves from him in the last week. 

 

It also might put other clubs off him if we don't appear that keen and maybe rush him along if he feels he could lose his fallback option of us if we hang around like a love sick puppy. It's probably the best strategy to give him some space and then get a deal done quickly with a take it or leave it attitude later in the window. If we could get him over the line I'm sure we would but I feel we don't have that luxury. 

 

 

Edited 21 May 2019 by Gerard

[HankMarvin]

23 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Buying players who fans rave about shouldn't be a consideration. It's what is felt is good for the business which is what it is first and foremost before entertainment for the fans. I also feel that the team of people who will decide, including the manager and coaching staff who evaluate him every day are in a far better position to judge his skills and personal traits better than one day a week 90 minute viewers from the sidelines. They may even rate him very highly but have no intention of investing 40m on one player. It's the owners money and their choice if they want to invest a lot of money, a little, or spend the same amount on three players, or none at all. Some folk whistle 40m as if it's bugger all when our owners are no doubt resigned to taking a large financial hit from some of our lesser light poor buys if they can even get rid of them. Our owners have done brilliantly for us but whilst they may be multi millionaires, only they know what the ramifications are of the new Thai king and political situation on the future of their business. They may also have fingers in other areas of interest, only some of which we are aware of. Leicester City FC will not be the biggest consideration in their lives and they will finance it accordingly. Sorry to appear to piss on everybody's chips but we are not Man City or United with owners that will invest in a like manner, we are who we are.

If we get rid of some of the crap that doesn’t play and bloats the wage bill it’s effectively a no brainier.

 

40m in this day and age it’s not that significant.

 

everton sigurdsson

westham anderson

 

he is relatively risk free interms of time to adapt.

 

he is young and only likely to get better under a good coach.

 

has a good rapport with other younger players in the team.

 

his already earned his place in the Best rated international team in football.

 

he’s 22

 

now if we are ever to splash out that sort of money on a player, this would probably be the best ever case for it.

 

 

Edited 21 May 2019 by HankMarvin

[murphy]

1 minute ago, leicesterseddon said:

 

That’s not how it works though. 

 

Monaco are under no obligation to sell him early in the window, or even at all. 

 

If they think they can get a bigger fee by waiting it out they will.  

You're right, I get that.

 

If Monaco don't want to do a deal quickly, there's not much we can do about it, but it sounds as though it's us dragging our heels and quibbling about the price.  I think we'll lose him if we fart around.

 

If it's possible, get it done.  It's a good deal.

[KingsX]

16 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Sorry to appear to piss on everybody's chips but we are not Man City or United with owners that will invest in a like manner, we are who we are.

 

If our owners invested like the Glazers at United, we would be in League One.

 

In terms of cash financing, only Man City, Chelsea and Bournemouth have had a higher proportion of owner financing (as opposed to funds generated from operations) than us in the last decade.

 

Much of it was to bring us back from the brink, rather than continue to spend our way to the top.  But Top & family have put major skin in the game.

 

 

footnote: not a penny of Kroenke's money been used to fund Arsenal 

 

[volpeazzurro]

2 minutes ago, murphy said:

But the 90 minutes on matchday is when it matters.

 

I don't care if he trains like Thora Hird as long as he produces the goods when it counts, and he does.

 

It's not just Man City that paid out £40m+ our near rivals have too like Everton and West Ham.  Remember, we spent that much on Ward, Ghezzal and Benkovic.  None of them even get a game.

 

Quality over quantity please.

 

 

Thora also had some good qualities ? I very much agree with the quantity over quality bit but it's their decision upon whether they feel that 40m, at this stage of their business plan is viable on just one player, particularly if they have no intention of selling anybody. Whether Everton or West Ham shelled out 40m is irrelevant as the spending of money is not always a measure of success ie biggish sums were paid out on two or three of players that have turned out to be millstones round our necks. Our Premiership win with a team of about 25m compared with Man City's 50m is proof in the pudding. It's not what you spend it's what you buy. I'm not suggesting for one minute that that will be repeated but Everton are hardly a great example of a club for wise expenditure. Our owners may simply have no intention whatsoever of spending such large sums of money for their own reasons and that is entirely their perogative. 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, KingsX said:

 

If our owners invested like the Glazers at United, we would be in League One.

 

In terms of cash financing, only Man City, Chelsea and Bournemouth have had a higher proportion of owner financing (as opposed to funds generated from operations) than us in the last decade.

 

Much of it was to bring us back from the brink, rather than continue to spend our way to the top.  But Top & family have put major skin in the game.

 

 

footnote: not a penny of Kroenke's money been used to fund Arsenal 

 

Man City is plain obscene... I imagine that wolves owners will be well pissed off looking at that graph !! 

[volpeazzurro]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

If we get rid of some of the crap that doesn’t play and bloats the wage bill it’s effectively a no brainier.

 

40m in this day and age it’s not that significant.

 

everton sigurdsson

westham anderson

 

he is relatively risk free interms of time to adapt.

 

he is young and only likely to get better under a good coach.

 

has a good rapport with other younger players in the team.

 

his already earned his place in the Best rated international team in football.

 

he’s 22

 

now if we are ever to splash out that sort of money on a player, this would probably be the best ever case for it.

 

 

You can't just get rid of 'bloat' players if they don't want to go when they're on contracts. Whether you feel 40m is not significant is irrelevant, it's what our owners are willing to invest which counts.