st albans fox Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 1 hour ago, somebum said: Deal agreed in principle in summer apparently The principle being that if man U pay an absolute fortune then we would sell him to them and he’d be happy to go ..... there is an issue on that pricnciple .......
volpeazzurro Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 9 hours ago, weller54 said: Kieren Tierney? He looks good where he is but, it's absolutely nothing like what Chilwell faces every week. A big risk and a year to settle in even if half decent. I think a replacement would be harder than people think, you sometimes don't realise what you've got til it's gone. If we've any ambition at all we need to keep players like Chilwell and build. Whilst I can't see it happening, if they sold Maguire and Chilwell this summer, then it would say a hell of a lot about our owners intentions and their ambitions however they tried to sell it and the game would be up for me as to their intentions for the future.
Guest SO1 Posted 25 March 2019 Posted 25 March 2019 John Stones went for 50 mil in 2016. That's almost 4 years ago. 60+ mil is not an unreasonable number. If Maguire wants to leave and the number is right then he's gone. Indentured servitude has been over for a while now and he's not going to be giving up any more 100,000+ a week pay packets. Sorry.
deep blue Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 7 hours ago, somebum said: Deal agreed in principle in summer apparently Do you have a reliable source for that, and can quote it, or is it just a guess dressed up as a "fact"?
somebum Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 5 hours ago, deep blue said: Do you have a reliable source for that, and can quote it, or is it just a guess dressed up as a "fact"? Depends what you would consider 'reliable'.
nwl fox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 26 minutes ago, somebum said: Depends what you would consider 'reliable'. Somebody of the ilk of Indykhalia or Sean from Enderby!
volpeazzurro Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 7 hours ago, SO1 said: John Stones went for 50 mil in 2016. That's almost 4 years ago. 60+ mil is not an unreasonable number. If Maguire wants to leave and the number is right then he's gone. Indentured servitude has been over for a while now and he's not going to be giving up any more 100,000+ a week pay packets. Sorry. This is of course is right but players also have to remember that it's not all about them. Maguire, Marhez and others are completely happy to commit to what is a huge wage and a good career move for them at the time of signing a deal but, at the sniff of something better, with some of them, any sense of decency and loyalty flies out of the window fuelled by greed and ambition. The latter is perfectly understandable in as much as any footballer would surely want to play at the highest level they can and after all, to them it's a job. Sometimes it's just the way they try and go about it, oblivious to other parties and their rights and position in this situation (see selfish boy Marhez). Maguire in fairness seems to be handling things in a decent way whatever the truth and speculation. He does however have to realise and expect that our owners are quite rightly have the right to refuse or at least hang on for absolute top dollar. If their attitude is to just treat it as a job then they in turn have to accept to just being treated like a commodity or investment.
Guest SO1 Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: This is of course is right but players also have to remember that it's not all about them. Maguire, Marhez and others are completely happy to commit to what is a huge wage and a good career move for them at the time of signing a deal but, at the sniff of something better, with some of them, any sense of decency and loyalty flies out of the window fuelled by greed and ambition. The latter is perfectly understandable in as much as any footballer would surely want to play at the highest level they can and after all, to them it's a job. Sometimes it's just the way they try and go about it, oblivious to other parties and their rights and position in this situation (see selfish boy Marhez). Maguire in fairness seems to be handling things in a decent way whatever the truth and speculation. He does however have to realise and expect that our owners are quite rightly have the right to refuse or at least hang on for absolute top dollar. If their attitude is to just treat it as a job then they in turn have to accept to just being treated like a commodity or investment. Sorry. I'm as negative as they come when dealing with employer relations. Harry has 11 yrs barring injury to make hay. He's given us a year to work it out and unless United's playing extreme low ball he will leave. Lets leave the honor and fairness for public relations. The lawyers and agents are at work now.
HighPeakFox Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 13 hours ago, SO1 said: John Stones went for 50 mil in 2016. That's almost 4 years ago. Good points though you make, August 2016 isn't almost 4 years ago. It's about 2.5 years ago...
LestaAl Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Everyone has a fair value and if a big club comes for him with an appropriate sized cheque then I am happy for him to go..... In BR we trust.
blue army 1988 Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 23 hours ago, st albans fox said: with respect to your opinion ……………. as many have said, we shouldn't be selling our best players. if you are clever, then you sell those below the top level for a big fee and keep the ones at the top happy. however, this is the real world and if a player wants to go then as long as we get an obscene amount of money for them then we likely have to sell - i wouldn't allow both to leave in the same season though. if maguire has been promised a move for the right price then he should take precedence over chillys request If you can replace them with equally as good or even better (under the radar) then it would be acceptable to sell the likes of Chilwell and Maguire. I get what your saying though.
volpeazzurro Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 5 hours ago, SO1 said: Sorry. I'm as negative as they come when dealing with employer relations. Harry has 11 yrs barring injury to make hay. He's given us a year to work it out and unless United's playing extreme low ball he will leave. Lets leave the honor and fairness for public relations. The lawyers and agents are at work now. It's not about honour and fairness I agree, what I mean is it's about business and it works two ways. Maguire was happy to move and except the lucrative package and I suppose in fairness we've been a good platform for his talent. I would also accept his motives for leaving which would be very understandable. But, that's his business ambitoons and he also has to accept it's the club's business as well so, if United don't offer the top dollar that our owners think right then tough titty Harry, it's a business and works two ways. Petulance shouldn't come into it now as he signed a 5yr deal, though there may have been behind the scenes agreements. In fairness he does seem a level headed sort of bloke.
sm1 Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 Given the amount of CBs we brought last summer, I think we've already made preparations for Maguire leaving. Any decent offer and he'll be gone, and good luck to him (whatever he does).
ARM1968 Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 £200 million and he’s theirs. Knew I should have negotiated Brexit.
weller54 Posted 26 March 2019 Posted 26 March 2019 9 hours ago, LestaAl said: Everyone has a fair value and if a big club comes for him with an appropriate sized cheque then I am happy for him to go..... In BR we trust. I don't trust them. 1. Their trains are never on time. 2. Overcrowded. 3. Feeble excuses for cancellations like leaves on the line!
Aus Fox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 4 hours ago, weller54 said: I don't trust them. 1. Their trains are never on time. 2. Overcrowded. 3. Feeble excuses for cancellations like leaves on the line! Baskin-Robbins?
st albans fox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 10 hours ago, sm1 said: Given the amount of CBs we brought last summer, I think we've already made preparations for Maguire leaving. Any decent offer and he'll be gone, and good luck to him (whatever he does). Of course but if we manage to talk him into another season (or buying club won’t meet our valuation) then we would easily loan out caglar
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 If Utd are genuinely willing to pay 65 mill for Harry, it’s a no brainer Sell him and invest
hackneyfox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 21 hours ago, SO1 said: Sorry. I'm as negative as they come when dealing with employer relations. Harry has 11 yrs barring injury to make hay. He's given us a year to work it out and unless United's playing extreme low ball he will leave. Lets leave the honor and fairness for public relations. The lawyers and agents are at work now. 'us'??? I know I'm being churlish but aren't you a Brendan fanboy rather than a Leicester fan?
Ted Maul Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 I wouldn't be totally against the sale of Maguire, providing: - The fee is astronomical (£65m+) - We don't sell Chilwell, or any other first team player - We make our own statements of intent in the transfer market (Tielemans & a quality winger) We don't want to fall into the same trap Southampton did- they were in a better state than we currently are a couple of years ago and ballsed it all up by selling too many and buying on the cheap.
Foxymcoxy Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 4 hours ago, Ted Maul said: I wouldn't be totally against the sale of Maguire, providing: - The fee is astronomical (£65m+) - We don't sell Chilwell, or any other first team player - We make our own statements of intent in the transfer market (Tielemans & a quality winger) We don't want to fall into the same trap Southampton did- they were in a better state than we currently are a couple of years ago and ballsed it all up by selling too many and buying on the cheap. Spot on.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 I do not want him to go but if figures in the region of £65 mil are correct then it makes it a more difficult decision for Brendan and the club.
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 6 hours ago, Ted Maul said: I wouldn't be totally against the sale of Maguire, providing: - The fee is astronomical (£65m+) - We don't sell Chilwell, or any other first team player - We make our own statements of intent in the transfer market (Tielemans & a quality winger) We don't want to fall into the same trap Southampton did- they were in a better state than we currently are a couple of years ago and ballsed it all up by selling too many and buying on the cheap. Exactly this. We wouldnt want to waste this money on another load of rubbish. However, I trust that Rodgers would make good signings.
st albans fox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 Hernandez sold from atleti to Bayern for £68m. A sale of an English central defender to an English club in the current circumstances should have an additional value on that ! Also ref to Chilwell .....
Farrington fox Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 He looks the real deal in an England shirt. Can’t recall seeing him get done for pace and rarely puts a foot wrong. Not always quite so assured in our side though.
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