Carl the Llama Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 28 minutes ago, Stoopid said: 2 Points here - 1) What you're criticising is everyday American English usage, nothing 'incorrect' about it. 2) Pedantry, apart from being deeply unattractive, is inappropriate in this context - respectfully I suggest you get over yourself. That's fine but the words "I could give a crap" only make sense in the way you're using it if you put the word "like" at the start. Otherwise it's no better than the many English people who say things like "I didn't do nothing". Being a common errant phrase we know what the person means when they say it but that doesn't make it correct.
UniFox21 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 Reports in the mirror state Southgate is confident Tammy Abrahamn will choose England as his national team. But he's eligible for Nigeria. Let's be honest, why would he commit to England now when for as long as Kane is around, he won't start a game, and Southgate pretty much only brings on Rashford, ignoring the likes of Wilson etc. We have a fair few talents youngsters who I wouldn't be surprised to see swap nationalities.
filbertway Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 He might as well go for Nigeria, Mason greenwood will overtake him in a year or two anyway
The Bear Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 Grammar debates And people accuse me of taking this thread too far off on a tangent. 2
foxile5 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Stoopid said: Linguistically, the use of vernacular falls outside of the rules of grammar. It's part of the living evolution of language. Therefore using terms like 'correct'or 'incorrect' in this context is wrong And criticising an American for using American English (which clearly you didn't recognise) is actually quite insulting, As for the point about truth in America...I don't think recent events in this country (hello Boris) give us much scope to cast stones across the Atlantic, This transcends grammar and drifts into semantics. The phrase itself doesn't make sense, vernacular or formal - it doesn't make sense. And context is important in this instance. This is an English language board, isn't it, not 'American English'. The phrase, itself, is incorrect and the context of the message should really have informed the post. If it is, as you say, just an issue if the vernacular, and the poster is aware that the meaning is incorrect, then perhaps a bit of foresight would've helped. Regardless, though, I still absolutely object to it and see no reason why misusing a word in such a weird fashion shouldn't be called. Just because it happens in specific place doesn't grant it done kind of heritage stamp. Agreed, to a point, about Boris. But we're not at American levels of DoubleThink and PolitiSpeak just yet. Edited 12 September 2019 by foxile5
foxile5 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, foxer said: Please ensure you use spaces correctly. Thanks Is this the space before the semi colon? It annoys me too but my phone insists on it. Edited 12 September 2019 by foxile5 1
murphy Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 Who says the international break is tedious? 2
Guest Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 16 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said: Oxy as in the drug ... nevermind me ./sigh And moron as in the poster? 10 hours ago, z-layrex said: Those dudes are retiring with us. I want Kasper shitting himself through old age before he even sits on the bench I don't mind him retiring with us but you just know he'll soon be entering his 3 month error phase of the season.
Stoopid Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 46 minutes ago, foxile5 said: This transcends grammar and drifts into semantics. The phrase itself doesn't make sense, vernacular or formal - it doesn't make sense. And context is important in this instance. This is an English language board, isn't it, not 'American English'. The phrase, itself, is incorrect and the context of the message should really have informed the post. If it is, as you say, just an issue if the vernacular, and the poster is aware that the meaning is incorrect, then perhaps a bit of foresight would've helped. Regardless, though, I still absolutely object to it and see no reason why misusing a word in such a weird fashion shouldn't be called. Just because it happens in specific place doesn't grant it done kind of heritage stamp. Agreed, to a point, about Boris. But we're not at American levels of DoubleThink and PolitiSpeak just yet. You're right, we are in the territory of semantics here. As such vernacular English is under no obligation to 'make sense' in the slightly narrow sense you imply. Phrases like 'not half!' or 'cheap at half the price' don't really make sense do they, but we all know what they mean. As for American English - well I just don't get your point. Are you saying that Americans shouldn't be allowed to contribute to a forum because it concerns an English football team? Or if they are, they should modify their remarks to conform to strictly British English usage? There are countless examples of American English being absorbed into mainstream English (so to speak). Thirty years ago nobody in this country replied 'I'm good' to the question 'how are you?' Now it's ubiquitous and unremarked on. Nobody said 'tell me about it!' to imply they know only too well what you're saying. Again, it's everywhere now. American English has been informing and enriching our language for several centuries now. It seems, to me, pedantic and slightly precious to bemoan it. We all speak English. None of us own it. As for the political point. Any cursory study of English history should draw the inevitable conclusion that when it comes to hypocrisy, disinformation and duplicity, the Americans can still learn plenty from the mother country! 1
Stoopid Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: That's fine but the words "I could give a crap" only make sense in the way you're using it if you put the word "like" at the start. Otherwise it's no better than the many English people who say things like "I didn't do nothing". Being a common errant phrase we know what the person means when they say it but that doesn't make it correct. It's just American English. Pretty much guaranteed that in 10/20 years time we'll all be saying 'I could care less' and not thinking twice about it.
Stoopid Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 1 hour ago, The Bear said: Grammar debates And people accuse me of taking this thread too far off on a tangent. Crazy Innit? I should be coming up with stunning insights like ' Why doesn't Southgate use Maddison?' Or ' Who are we going to replace in the Top 6?' You know, fascinating stuff like that...
Jimothy Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 2 minutes ago, Crashtoasted said: Can’t wait for Saturday! Yep, Brighton v Burnley is a massive game.
Carl the Llama Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 2 minutes ago, Stoopid said: It's just American English. Pretty much guaranteed that in 10/20 years time we'll all be saying 'I could care less' and not thinking twice about it. No we won't It will still be relatively common terminology, moreso in the USA, and it will still be poor grammar. I can understand you being annoyed at the twattish way Foxile went about making his initial point but it's silly getting upset about the grammatical argument itself. English is full of grammatically incorrect colloquialisms and this is just another example of one, I don't think there can be much debate about that. Personally I'm not that fussed which term someone uses as long as I know what they mean but I guess the fact I've bothered weighing in at all means I really could care less, and so could you. 4
Stoopid Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 Just now, foxfanazer said: State of the last couple of pages I know, Pretty bloody good, aren't they?
foxfanazer Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 1 minute ago, Stoopid said: I know, Pretty bloody good, aren't they? I could agree 3
Blarmy Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 30 minutes ago, Crashtoasted said: Can’t wait for Saturday! I can wait! 1
kingcarr21 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 Bunch of boring b******* with your long words . Lets get back to football. Proper chat
foxile5 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: No we won't It will still be relatively common terminology, moreso in the USA, and it will still be poor grammar. I can understand you being annoyed at the twattish way Foxile went about making his initial point but it's silly getting upset about the grammatical argument itself. English is full of grammatically incorrect colloquialisms and this is just another example of one, I don't think there can be much debate about that. Personally I'm not that fussed which term someone uses as long as I know what they mean but I guess the fact I've bothered weighing in at all means I really could care less, and so could you. I was a bit of a twat, eh?
Fox92 Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 17 hours ago, TK95 said: Didn't realise the Kompany testimonial was on Sky today 17 hours ago, TK95 said: Also makes me sad if we don't bother for Kingy Man City have announced they are building a statue of Kompany outside the ground and the Chairman has already renamed a road into the training ground after Kompany. Testimonials aside, we should have a statue of Morgan lifting the trophy if anything.
Popular Post Jimothy Posted 12 September 2019 Popular Post Posted 12 September 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Man City have announced they are building a statue of Kompany outside the ground and the Chairman has already renamed a road into the training ground after Kompany. Testimonials aside, we should have a statue of Morgan lifting the trophy if anything. If it wasn't for the fact it'd cost a lot of money, I'd love a statue of the whole squad celebrating as Morgan and Ranieri lift the trophy. I think you should to wait until a player leaves or retires though before building a statue. Would like one of Vardy celebrating his 11th in 11 too. Edited 12 September 2019 by Facecloth 7 1
Popular Post The Horse's Mouth Posted 12 September 2019 Popular Post Posted 12 September 2019 2 hours ago, Stoopid said: It's just American English. Pretty much guaranteed that in 10/20 years time we'll all be saying 'I could care less' and not thinking twice about it. Lol **** off no chance, 5
mazarron fox Posted 12 September 2019 Posted 12 September 2019 There are some decent fixtures this weekend and like us other fans are anticipating their chances and love their team through thick and thin. The biggest difference between us and Americans is that our teams have local tradition and are generally here to stay and not be a move around franchise ( I know I know MK dons ) but even they are starting to get an identity in a city that wanted something to support. We know Leicester city will be in our city and that makes it our team whatever.
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