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Harvey Barnes

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6 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Yet Vardy thrives on been targeted, the last few times he got targeted by fans, he scored within 5 mins.

 

What do you mean by giving him stick? during the game or on here?

There's a whole world of difference between being heckled by your own fans, and being heckled by the opposition fans. One is demotivating, the other is motivating.

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People are targeting the wrong guy here.

 

It amazes me how some will still give Albrighton a free pass because he 'runs around a lot' and 'can cross a ball', but give stick to a young lad who clearly offers more of a threat than Albrighton does. Hence, Barnes has the 8th most assists this season.

 

Barnes is the youngest winger in our squad, and is playing because Albrighton/Gray have not been/are not good enough.

When young players go through their inconsistent spells, they are taken out of the side to protect their confidence......Albrighton/Gray have not been good enough for him to get the break/rest he needs.

 

 

Today we once again saw that Gray was only a limited threat, against an awful West Ham side and Albrighton was non-existent until he kept passing the ball to West Ham players.

Barnes needs help from our recruitment team.

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3 minutes ago, CityIsBlue said:

People are targeting the wrong guy here.

 

It amazes me how some will still give Albrighton a free pass because he 'runs around a lot' and 'can cross a ball', but give stick to a young lad who clearly offers more of a threat than Albrighton does. Hence, Barnes has the 8th most assists this season.

 

Barnes is the youngest winger in our squad, and is playing because Albrighton/Gray have not been/are not good enough.

When young players go through their inconsistent spells, they are taken out of the side to protect their confidence......Albrighton/Gray have not been good enough for him to get the break/rest he needs.

 

 

Today we once again saw that Gray was only a limited threat, against an awful West Ham side and Albrighton was non-existent until he kept passing the ball to West Ham players.

Barnes needs help from our recruitment team.

I agree with the spirit of your post, particularly the bit in bold. But whilst both Albrighton and Gray had comically bad moments today, they were alright overall. 

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20 minutes ago, CityIsBlue said:

People are targeting the wrong guy here.

 

It amazes me how some will still give Albrighton a free pass because he 'runs around a lot' and 'can cross a ball', but give stick to a young lad who clearly offers more of a threat than Albrighton does. Hence, Barnes has the 8th most assists this season.

 

Barnes is the youngest winger in our squad, and is playing because Albrighton/Gray have not been/are not good enough.

When young players go through their inconsistent spells, they are taken out of the side to protect their confidence......Albrighton/Gray have not been good enough for him to get the break/rest he needs.

 

 

Today we once again saw that Gray was only a limited threat, against an awful West Ham side and Albrighton was non-existent until he kept passing the ball to West Ham players.

Barnes needs help from our recruitment team.

The big difference was Albrighton and Gray pressed and had real energy today which is exactly what Barnes' has lacked in recent weeks.

 

Albrighton led the line,  pressing from the front in those opening 30 minutes and it was infectious and although his impact on the game faded after the opening half hour he had a real impact on the impetus and energy of the team.

 

Gray, also, pressed all game and after his penalty miss refused to hide and still wanted the ball and wanted to press players even after his penalty miss- the opposite of Barnes in recent weeks, who has seemed to go into hiding in games.

 

Both may have made some sloppy errors, in possession today, I dont doubt that, but neither went into their shell and both impacted very positively on our energy, cohesion and team press today.

 

Pressing is the most important impact of modern football and we are a pressing side under Rodgers and that has what our success has been built on.

 

To write that off as just "running around a lot" is missing the point entirely - football is a team game and good pressing is more important and will win you more points, lead to fewer goals conceded and more goal scored as an entire team than the extra 1 or 2 assists from an individual.

 

Barnes hasn't had the energy or the want to get involved (regardless of whether you've made errors or sloppy passes), that both Albrighton and Gray showed today, for several weeks now. They both should be starting ahead of Barnes right now until he sorts that aspect of his game out.

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Let’s see how he gets on against Wigan because at the moment - despite all that exciting potential (and yes, I’m sure it will eventually be realised) - his all-round game is not fit for Premier League purpose.

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21 minutes ago, Sampson said:

 

The big difference was Albrighton and Gray pressed and had real energy today which is exactly what Barnes' has lacked in recent weeks.

 

Albrighton led the line,  pressing from the front in those opening 30 minutes and it was infectious and although his impact on the game faded after the opening half hour he had a real impact on the impetus and energy of the team.

 

Gray, also, pressed all game and after his penalty miss refused to hide and still wanted the ball and wanted to press players even after his penalty miss- the opposite of Barnes in recent weeks, who has seemed to go into hiding in games.

 

Both may have made some sloppy errors, in possession today, I dont doubt that, but neither went into their shell and both impacted very positively on our energy, cohesion and team press today.

 

Pressing is the most important impact of modern football and we are a pressing side under Rodgers and that has what our success has been built on.

 

To write that off as just "running around a lot" is missing the point entirely - football is a team game and good pressing is more important and will win you more points, lead to fewer goals conceded and more goal scored as an entire team than the extra 1 or 2 assists from an individual.

 

Barnes hasn't had the energy or the want to get involved (regardless of whether you've made errors or sloppy passes), that both Albrighton and Gray showed today, for several weeks now. They both should be starting ahead of Barnes right now until he sorts that aspect of his game out.

Albrighton was diabolical first half, he improved in the 2nd though significantly. 

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27 minutes ago, Sampson said:

 

The big difference was Albrighton and Gray pressed and had real energy today which is exactly what Barnes' has lacked in recent weeks.

 

Albrighton led the line,  pressing from the front in those opening 30 minutes and it was infectious and although his impact on the game faded after the opening half hour he had a real impact on the impetus and energy of the team.

 

Gray, also, pressed all game and after his penalty miss refused to hide and still wanted the ball and wanted to press players even after his penalty miss- the opposite of Barnes in recent weeks, who has seemed to go into hiding in games.

 

Both may have made some sloppy errors, in possession today, I dont doubt that, but neither went into their shell and both impacted very positively on our energy, cohesion and team press today.

 

Pressing is the most important impact of modern football and we are a pressing side under Rodgers and that has what our success has been built on.

 

To write that off as just "running around a lot" is missing the point entirely - football is a team game and good pressing is more important and will win you more points, lead to fewer goals conceded and more goal scored as an entire team than the extra 1 or 2 assists from an individual.

 

Barnes hasn't had the energy or the want to get involved (regardless of whether you've made errors or sloppy passes), that both Albrighton and Gray showed today, for several weeks now. They both should be starting ahead of Barnes right now until he sorts that aspect of his game out.

 

Excellent post.

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1 hour ago, FLAN said:

Jogging back again when losing the ball. Very frustrating when he’s only been on a short time 

Agree, he needs to bloody sharpen himself up when not in possession of the ball.  Oh, and sort his finishing out. The amount of good goal scoring chances that lad has squandered is embarrassing. That said I still believe he’s got a hell of a future ahead of him. 

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1 hour ago, Stadt said:

0.38 goal and assists per 90 minutes in his PL career. Clearly not good enough, terminate his contract and ship him off to a Siberian gulag 

Agreed. Also, the lad is 22 years old now. If he hasn't fulfilled his potential by now then he never will. 

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8 minutes ago, Sampson said:

 

The big difference was Albrighton and Gray pressed and had real energy today which is exactly what Barnes' has lacked in recent weeks.

 

Albrighton led the line,  pressing from the front in those opening 30 minutes and it was infectious and although his impact on the game faded after the opening half hour he had a real impact on the impetus and energy of the team.

 

Gray, also, pressed all game and mask refused to hide and still wanted the ball and wanted to press players even after his penalty miss- the opposite of Barnes in recent weeks, who has seemed to go into hiding in games.

 

Both may have made some sloppy errors, in possession today, I dont doubt that, but neither went into their shell and both impacted very positively on our energy, cohesion and team press today.

 

Pressing is the most important impact of modern football and we are a pressing side under Rodgers and that has what our success has been built on.

 

To write that off as just "running around a lot" is missing the point entirely - football is a team game and good pressing is more important and will win you more points, lead to fewer goals conceded and more goal scored as an entire team than the extra 1 or 2 assists from an individual.

 

Barnes hasn't had the energy or the want to get involved (regardless of whether you've made errors or sloppy passes), that both Albrighton and Gray showed today, for several weeks now. They both should be starting ahead of Barnes right now until he sorts that aspect of his game out.

 

But that is what Albrighton does, 'he runs around a lot'.....It isn't effective pressing 90% of the time.

 

I can count numerous times today, just like every game, where Albrighton gives the ball away needlessly.

Once again, the goal again came down his side because he couldn't deal with the overload of Fredericks/Anderson.

There was at least one occasion where he wasn't watching properly and cost up possession too.

 

I think you overestimate 'pressing' in the modern game.

A goal threat in a front 3 is still more important, and Albrighton never ever offers one.

There's a reason, that despite many of our players being linked to other clubs over our successful spell of the past 5 years, Albrighton has never been one.

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4 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

Agreed. Also, the lad is 22 years old now. If he hasn't fulfilled his potential by now then he never will. 

 

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

0.38 goal and assists per 90 minutes in his PL career. Clearly not good enough, terminate his contract and ship him off to a Siberian gulag 

 

Albrighton has been here for 6 years......

I hope you've been consistent in calling for his release/sale for all of that time.

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16 minutes ago, CityIsBlue said:

 

But that is what Albrighton does, 'he runs around a lot'.....It isn't effective pressing 90% of the time.

 

I can count numerous times today, just like every game, where Albrighton gives the ball away needlessly.

Once again, the goal again came down his side because he couldn't deal with the overload of Fredericks/Anderson.

There was at least one occasion where he wasn't watching properly and cost up possession too.

 

I think you overestimate 'pressing' in the modern game.

A goal threat in a front 3 is still more important, and Albrighton never ever offers one.

There's a reason, that despite many of our players being linked to other clubs over our successful spell of the past 5 years, Albrighton has never been one.

Its kinda sad that Albrighton only had an average game yet was a clear improvement over Barnes.

 

Pressing is very important.  Even when you are a team that can keep control of the ball for long periods, winning the ball back is important, if you dont press then it means the defenders have to win it back which carries more risk and also means you have to work to get the ball up the pitch again.  Pressing sometimes can mess an opposing team up mentally e.g. the opponent may initially have a plan to pass it around calmly, but then if they make errors because of been pressed it can get to their heads and force them to do other things and messes up their game.

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1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

Its kinda sad that Albrighton only had an average game yet was a clear improvement over Barnes.

 

Pressing is very important.  Even when you are a team that can keep control of the ball for long periods, winning the ball back is important, if you dont press then it means the defenders have to win it back which carries more risk and also means you have to work to get the ball up the pitch again.

 

Pressing is not that be all and end all, in fact it's vastly overrated/misunderstood.

 

Robbie Savage was not some great player, ahead of his time, who would be worth £100 million today because he pressed the ball a lot. He was, quite rightly, often branded a 'headless chicken'.

Pressing at the wrong time is even worse than not pressing at all.

In fact, we have benefited greatly from a reduction in Vardy 'Pressing' this season. Rodgers identified that he was both pressing too often, and at the wrong times......Since reducing the pressing he does, he's having the greatest goalscoring season for us thus far......And we are 2nd in the Premier League.

 

Liverpool didn't press us for 90 mins.

Often, especially early in the game, they would reset their shape before pressing us.

Timing is everything!

 

If 'Pressing', or the way you describe it, where it is uncontrolled and basically 'running around', was the most fundamental aspect of a front 3, Albrighton would be starting ahead of Salah at Liverpool.

 

The reason Everton came back from 2-0 in the second half against us?

They didn't fear Albrighton/Grey and were able to press 'recklessly/desperately', with little risk because they offer little threat.

The reason we, despite having a better XI than Man United got a worse result at the Etihad?

United have a front 3 which were capable of being a goal threat.....We do not.

 

None of our 3 'natural' wingers have shown they are at the level required for a side with our ambitions.....

The difference? Albrighton has demonstrated his lack of quality for years, Gray too but to a lesser extent, whilst Barnes is the least experienced of the three.

 

 

 

Vardy took 12 months to adapt to the Championship and then the Premier League.

Barnes has been given just 25 games.

Albrighton? 6 years, and he still isn't a goal threat.

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The majority of us see a potentially very special player in Barnes. He will score more regularly as he acquires the composure in front of goal, he clearly has the ability as we saw at WBA.  What does  slightly concern me though is the defensive side of his game, tackling and competing for the ball needs a deal of improvement, as its such an important aspect of play in the Premier League. What he needs is continued support from all of us. There were plenty on here who would have happily put Vardy in the bin and where would we be now! 

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Thought Harvey looked more alert today coming off the bench and would clearly benefit from a continued bit of a breather and re-charge.

 

Some really childish comments on here suggesting that you hate the guy if you say anything slightly derogatory.

 

He is work in progress, he'd say that himself and is a fantastic prospect.

 

Nobody loudly criticises him during games from where i sit or hear.

 

We can get a bit snowflakey regarding comments. He's not the end product and will continue to improve, comments I see are based on his contribution now, and most are fair.

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