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brockmyster

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57 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Clearly we disagree.

 

I am not sure how he isn't glorifying gang culture by going on about it all the time, wearing union jack stab vest is normalising something that shouldn't be normalised. I am sure if the Police increased stop and search he would claim in was racist or something to do with the rich, of which he is one! 

 

He could quite frankly solve most of the issues he highlights by donating more of his money. Again he is a classic case of a celebrity who can make criticisms of the real world from his golden pedestal. If all of these celebrities wrote an extra cheque to HMRC instead of banging on about it in public arenas/social media to gain attention (which is what its about), I am sure many issues could be resolved. Of course not many of them actually do care. 

 

They were literally doing it or actually? My word what is the world coming to if that really is the case. Although the BBC loving him up ridiculously so no surprise there. 

 

Its not really 'singing' is it?!

 

Its nothing to do with him being from London or because he raps, its because he glorifies gang culture by constantly jabbering on about it in his Lyrics. He wore a stab vest on stage at Glastonbury, everyone thinks he is 'making a statement'. Just stop and search people likely to have knives/guns. 

 

Have you seen most of his lyrics? They are poor. Classic FT indeed......classic the world it seems. 

This one line to me just summarises that you have completely missed the point he was trying to make, its nothing to do with normalising it, if you look at the staging and the words used in the background you couldn't possibly come to this conclusion? 

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Foxin_Mad

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31 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

'Going on about it all the time' doesn't really been he is gloryfing it though, does it? He's spoken out numerous times about the knife crime, gun crime, violence etc and is doing far more to eradicate it and show vulnerable and naive young people that there other options out there for them. Also, some of the greatest bands and artists ever have consistently referenced drugs, sex, violence etc and received less than 1% of the negative press that Stormzy has. Simply referencing things that exist does not mean glorification either, I am a massive fan of the Libertines and The Beatles and, thus far anyway, I've succesfully managed to never take heroin or LSD. 

 

Yeah I guess he could donate some money, maybe give £9k to allow an underprivellged girl go to Harvard to continue her studies and advance her career? https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/stormzy-donated-fan-crowdfunding-harvard-university_uk_591afb1be4b05dd15f0b3904?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAITwavT_FJwkLmHxWUctQ2Ar6k65y8cfeKzvEzQ1_LFecbs-fNeLrEURwfxoBYsfzb3NMBK_Fzvdyk2_MVSKBkIkPeqEFZv0HMtHNJiy7tTfwbBn8ZeJc-fQ6Pr2RcNmMCCYvMFrdyeTY56CIKtkgou96nOG5bzmrJmziQJ-md_9

 

Oh yeah, he's so wrong stop and search too. I mean black people are only 10x more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, but the vast majority of say knife possession, for example, is by black people so that seems fair enough, right?

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Some people just cannot handle it the moment any celebrity speaks out about something that they feel strongly about. Whether it be Sterling, Stormzy or whomever, there is a crowd of people who want them to either get back in their hole and shuttup or donate half their earnings to charity, otherwise they're just hypocrites. Meanwhile the vast majority of the crowd wouldn't toss a 2p coin to a homeless man or do any charity work themselves. 

 

 

I would say it does, he is making songs that quite honestly glorify the culture of gangs, the 'speak', the racism (some of his songs talk or light skinned girls), the constant reference to arson, bullets and guns. Personally I feel it unnecessary. People don't need to be influenced by it but some are, particularly in the way in which he glorifies it. 

 

Does he get much negative press? I find everyone is needlessly loving him at the moment, particularly the BBC.

 

He is wrong on stop and search in London not the whole of England and Wales - In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders under 25 in London were black or minority ethnic, according to the Mayor of London’s Office for Policing and Crime. London has a major crime problem. 

 

https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/

 

Donating 9k to help 1 person, great, well done to him for that, what do you think the real motivation is for this? To gain positive press? Perhaps he could donate anonymously, again all celebrities could just write an additional cheque to HMRC. They all claim 'the rich should pay more' whilst paying as little tax as possible, living the high life, living in gated communities and in many cases doing all they can to avoid tax. If every self righteous celebrity in this country sent a cheque to HMRC we could solve a lot of problems. Of course that would be too easy and generate little publicity.

 

 

 

 

 

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Foxin_Mad

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10 minutes ago, brockmyster said:

This one line to me just summarises that you have completely missed the point he was trying to make, its nothing to do with normalising it, if you look at the staging and the words used in the background you couldn't possibly come to this conclusion? 

I would say not. 

 

He had some anti knife crime slogans and the comments from the blithering idiot David Lammy. Comments that are actually pro cause propaganda and factually incorrect about the levels of knife crime in London and the most common perpetrators.  He wears a stab vest designed by Banksy which the gangs will probably try and imitate in their standard issue gear. Really it is normalising something that shouldn't be normalised. Something that needs to be resolved in the correct channels.

 

Perhaps instead of him whining at the government (childishly shouting **** Boris) and blaming the rich white people he should actually sit down with them and some experts and come up with a proper plan using his money and that of other celebrities. There is nothing to stop them sending HMRC some more of that excess cash if they have problem with the system. A system they have done very well out of I might add. 

 

He sings glorifying knife culture in the track Shut Up...….perhaps he should stop that or is it 'ironic'? Am I missing the point here too.

 

Stormzy may well be a decent young chap but to be honest is music, his lyrics and his attitude are not really showing that. 

 

Its seems to be all that is wrong with the world. 

 

Maybe he should sit down with Boris and have an adult chat. Knife crime was lower in London under Boris that it is under Khan. 

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44 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

1. I would say it does, he is making songs that quite honestly glorify the culture of gangs, the 'speak', the racism (some of his songs talk or light skinned girls), the constant reference to arson, bullets and guns. Personally I feel it unnecessary. People don't need to be influenced by it but some are, particularly in the way in which he glorifies it. 

 

2. Does he get much negative press? I find everyone is needlessly loving him at the moment, particularly the BBC.

 

3. He is wrong on stop and search in London not the whole of England and Wales - In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders under 25 in London were black or minority ethnic, according to the Mayor of London’s Office for Policing and Crime. London has a major crime problem. 

 

https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/

 

4. Donating 9k to help 1 person, great, well done to him for that, what do you think the real motivation is for this? To gain positive press? Perhaps he could donate anonymously, again all celebrities could just write an additional cheque to HMRC. They all claim 'the rich should pay more' whilst paying as little tax as possible, living the high life, living in gated communities and in many cases doing all they can to avoid tax. If every self righteous celebrity in this country sent a cheque to HMRC we could solve a lot of problems. Of course that would be too easy and generate little publicity.

 

 

 

 

 

1. He's hardly going to reach out to the deprived, impressionable, down trodden, underprivellged of Britain if he's doing it in the style of the Beachboys and co, is he? The music he makes is in keeping with the genre. He's doing far more to counter violence than he is encourage it. If you think there are people out there whom are egged on by his lyrics then you are so wide of the mark. 

 

2. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5429041/Platells-People-Stormzy-gratitude.html - This article is one in a long line of bizarre digs at him, ones that wouldn't be levelled at countless other people in the music industry. 

 

Shock that the BBC are writing articles and giving him air time when he's just headlined a festival that they have rights too. Next they'll be bigging up Premier League football highlights or a soap about the east-end of London. Ludicrus stuff from the BBC, again. The vast majority of BBC coverage on him is also just reporting what happend - IE talking about the '**** Boris' thing, it would be mental if they didn't report that. 

 

3. You're not inventing hypothetical arguments he's supposedly made and telling him why he's wrong. You mentioned stop and search out of nothing, I replied explaining that if he were to bring that up he would have a valid point. He didn't actually say anything about it.

 

4. He donated using his birth name and then it was changed to anonymous. So, yeah, I guess he could donate an anonymously. Also, who on earth cares why he did it? The fact is he did. Why are you so against celebrities using their platford to speak about issues that they care about? If you were famous would you not do the same? Based on the fact that you (and everyone else on here) have signed up to a forum to give your opinion on this and other subjects, I suspect that you would. We bellow our love of free speech in this country, yet we only seem to want the people that we agree with or care for to have that right. If you're famous and or rich you had better keep your mouth shut unless you're willing to donate three houses, a limited edition car, half your blood and 60% of your earnings first. 

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20 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

1. He's hardly going to reach out to the deprived, impressionable, down trodden, underprivellged of Britain if he's doing it in the style of the Beachboys and co, is he? The music he makes is in keeping with the genre. He's doing far more to counter violence than he is encourage it. If you think there are people out there whom are egged on by his lyrics then you are so wide of the mark. 

 

2. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5429041/Platells-People-Stormzy-gratitude.html - This article is one in a long line of bizarre digs at him, ones that wouldn't be levelled at countless other people in the music industry. 

 

Shock that the BBC are writing articles and giving him air time when he's just headlined a festival that they have rights too. Next they'll be bigging up Premier League football highlights or a soap about the east-end of London. Ludicrus stuff from the BBC, again. The vast majority of BBC coverage on him is also just reporting what happend - IE talking about the '**** Boris' thing, it would be mental if they didn't report that. 

 

3. You're not inventing hypothetical arguments he's supposedly made and telling him why he's wrong. You mentioned stop and search out of nothing, I replied explaining that if he were to bring that up he would have a valid point. He didn't actually say anything about it.

 

4. He donated using his birth name and then it was changed to anonymous. So, yeah, I guess he could donate an anonymously. Also, who on earth cares why he did it? The fact is he did. Why are you so against celebrities using their platford to speak about issues that they care about? If you were famous would you not do the same? Based on the fact that you (and everyone else on here) have signed up to a forum to give your opinion on this and other subjects, I suspect that you would. We bellow our love of free speech in this country, yet we only seem to want the people that we agree with or care for to have that right. If you're famous and or rich you had better keep your mouth shut unless you're willing to donate three houses, a limited edition car, half your blood and 60% of your earnings first. 

I disagree so I suppose its best to leave it there. 

 

12 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

Do enjoy a bit of subtle racism mixed in with middle class white privilege 

 

 

What? 

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1 hour ago, David Guiza said:

Some people just cannot handle it the moment any celebrity speaks out about something that they feel strongly about. Whether it be Sterling, Stormzy or whomever, there is a crowd of people who want them to either get back in their hole and shuttup or donate half their earnings to charity, otherwise they're just hypocrites. Meanwhile the vast majority of the crowd wouldn't toss a 2p coin to a homeless man or do any charity work themselves. 

i wonder what stormzy and sterling have in common. young, successful and black. the absolute horror. 

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22 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

i wonder what stormzy and sterling have in common. young, successful and black. the absolute horror. 

I have never said anything about Sterling. Again this is just people making a race issue out of something that isn't a race issue.

 

This was about Stormzy because he headlined at Glastonbury and he decided to make it a political shitfest. 

 

Ahh the good old you disagree so they must be racist......white or rich.

 

If he was self entitled white and trotted out the same stuff I would still question it. Adele is a similar character, bemoaning the terrible situation for the working class families by buying a £5million Beverley Hills mansion………...yeah that should sort it! Maybe just contribute that to HMRC so the can invest in Public Services. 

 

My view is that Stormzy isn't musically very good, I find his rhetoric a little hypocritical and misguided. That's my view. Its seems I am wrong. 

 

Actions are more impactful than words, a lot of these people spout a lot without really making much of a real difference. 

 

What they actually want is people that they don't like to pay for stuff instead. 

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37 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I have never said anything about Sterling. Again this is just people making a race issue out of something that isn't a race issue.

 

This was about Stormzy because he headlined at Glastonbury and he decided to make it a political shitfest. 

 

Ahh the good old you disagree so they must be racist......white or rich.

 

If he was self entitled white and trotted out the same stuff I would still question it. Adele is a similar character, bemoaning the terrible situation for the working class families by buying a £5million Beverley Hills mansion………...yeah that should sort it! Maybe just contribute that to HMRC so the can invest in Public Services. 

 

My view is that Stormzy isn't musically very good, I find his rhetoric a little hypocritical and misguided. That's my view. Its seems I am wrong. 

 

Actions are more impactful than words, a lot of these people spout a lot without really making much of a real difference. 

 

What they actually want is people that they don't like to pay for stuff instead. 

Is your argument one of champagne socialist?

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On 08/07/2019 at 13:24, purpleronnie said:

Is your argument one of champagne socialist?

To an extent yes. 

 

If you are going to claim you have socialist values, then you should really be redistributing your wealth equally amongst others, of course really they are only interested in popularist sound bytes about being the 'peoples people'.

 

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4 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Just got Radiohead's '97 set on. My days, timeless.

I saw them in 97 or 98 on the tour for OK Computer and they were magnificent.

With hindsight, it's hard to believe that they were the support act for Alanis Morrisette in the US after the release of OK Computer. Obviously, Jagged Little Pill was a worldwide smash, but they'd already released Pablo Honey and The Bends. Just shows the importance of the US market for bands.

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11 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Just got Radiohead's '97 set on. My days, timeless.

There was a good programme I watched last night on BBC about Glasto in the 90's. It showed performances from Radiohead, Blur, Pulp, Oasis. Might be worth a watch, I enjoyed it.

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On 26/06/2021 at 19:26, Fox92 said:

There was a good programme I watched last night on BBC about Glasto in the 90's. It showed performances from Radiohead, Blur, Pulp, Oasis. Might be worth a watch, I enjoyed it.

I saw that too. As somebody who went throughout the 90s. Looking back on that made me nostalgic. Much more grungy, everybody felt on the same wavelength, the whole thing felt alternative. I got mugged at knife-point (funny given the conversation earlier in this thread) by a couple skally lads later in the decade who kept pushing the knife in (only the tip lol) when they didn't believe I was only walking around with £15 and a packet of fags. By the 2000s the whole thing left me a bit cold tbh. A little bit too close to Glasto' the Theme Park. It felt gentrified. Also funny given somebody mentioned champagne socialist earlier. The price of the ticket went up, people could no longer scale the walls to get in. Maybe I got older too. But I miss those first few years I went.

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