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The Politics Thread 2019

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fuchsntf

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On 05/08/2019 at 19:53, MC Prussian said:

Tough to compare the two.

 

Look at the population comparison:

 

The Navajo tribe amount to 330'000+ people at best. That's the whole population, men, women, children, the elderly.

 

As for Middle Americans heading up North towards the US, peak numbers for Mexicans alone in 2000 reached 1.6 million, and it's around 150'000 Mexicans per year at present (or 400'000 people in total).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/28/what-we-know-about-illegal-immigration-from-mexico/

Lots more potential refugees going one way, and that's mostly young males only.

I Think you have missed  @Finnegan            point....Any USA white kid complaining about invasions!!!!!

Or I misunderstood him...

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Foxin_Mad

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16 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Now...why didnt you say that at the beginning....

Then @FIF would of been kinder...:facepalm:

Baffled? This was from a few days ago so not really sure what you mean. Loads of stuff was deleted.

 

Has @FIF been 'unkind' must have missed that one. 

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Foxin_Mad

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In other Politics News:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-says-corbyn-will-tell-queen-were-taking-over-if-johnson-loses-no-confidence-vote/ar-AAFumFU?ocid=spartanntp

 

Jesus wept! 

 

All those in favour of democracy should love their mighty leader coming in a seizing control of the country. Sound the kind of thing that could happen in a South American socialist state......….like Venezuela! 

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The Guvnor

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5 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

In other Politics News:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-says-corbyn-will-tell-queen-were-taking-over-if-johnson-loses-no-confidence-vote/ar-AAFumFU?ocid=spartanntp

 

Jesus wept! 

 

All those in favour of democracy should love their mighty leader coming in a seizing control of the country. Sound the kind of thing that could happen in a South American socialist state......….like Venezuela! 

Release the hounds Philip!

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Two politically weak parties.

 

One has gone further left, the other further right. Both losing support.

 

Measurable increasing intolerance, smaller parties openly promoting the emotional fear of the "other" to gain traction.

 

A increasingly divided society. People increasingly wanting a "strong man" to sort things out.

 

It's happening elsewhere too.

 

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Beechey

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7 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

In other Politics News:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-says-corbyn-will-tell-queen-were-taking-over-if-johnson-loses-no-confidence-vote/ar-AAFumFU?ocid=spartanntp

 

Jesus wept! 

 

All those in favour of democracy should love their mighty leader coming in a seizing control of the country. Sound the kind of thing that could happen in a South American socialist state......….like Venezuela! 

Not happening. More likely that the Queen dissolves Parliament and forces a General Election.

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Jon the Hat

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1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

Two politically weak parties.

 

One has gone further left, the other further right. Both loosing support.

 

Measurable increasingly intolerance, smaller parties openly promoting the emotional fear of the "other" to gain traction.

 

A increasingly divided society. People increasingly wanting a "strong man" to sort things out.

 

It's happening elsewhere too.

Do we have a strong man on offer? Who?

you might think Boris is right wing, but in fact he is to the left of the party.  See immediately scrapping austerity and increasing spend on the NHS and schools.

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10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Do we have a strong man on offer? Who?

you might think Boris is right wing, but in fact he is to the left of the party.  See immediately scrapping austerity and increasing spend on the NHS and schools.

One can be always found. It's the beginning of the end when it happens though

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Beechey

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3 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

 

lol

 

come on Jon, honestly - I think you're more intelligent than that. 

He's definitely not solely on the right of the Tory party.

 

Admittedly he's an "everything to everyone" type politician, but generally, the policies he's supported as Mayor of London were to the centre of the party. His electorate were centrists.

To win the next election, he cannot be far right - he knows he cannot out-Farage Farage, he also cannot be far left. He has to be a blend of both left and right, enough so that one side isn't conflicted by his actions with the other.

He has to support no-deal to placate the right of his party, but he's interested in bigger public spending to placate the liberal wing as well - something the right wing won't like.

 

It's at least going to be interesting and/or funny.

 

We'll find out just how good of a political operator this guy really is.

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bovril

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Just now, Beechey said:

He's definitely not on the right of the Tory party.

 

Admittedly he's an "everything to everyone" type politician, but generally, the policies he's supported as Mayor of London were to the centre of the party. His electorate were centrists.

To win the next election, he cannot be far right - he knows he cannot out-Farage Farage, he also cannot be far left. He has to be a blend of both left and right, enough so that one side isn't conflicted by his actions with the other.

He has to support no-deal to placate the right of his party, but he's interested in bigger public spending to placate the liberal wing as well.

 

It's at least going to be interesting and/or funny.

 

We'll find out just how good of a political operator this guy really is.

Supporting no-deal is out-Farageing Farage, which is what the Tories have been doing for 6 years.

 

Interesting and/or funny, as you said. 

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22 minutes ago, bovril said:

Supporting no-deal is out-Farageing Farage, which is what the Tories have been doing for 6 years.

 

Interesting and/or funny, as you said. 

I don't think supporting no-deal over this deal that couldn't get the votes needed in a handful of attempts is out-farageing Farage tbf. The options right now are this deal, which hasn't and will not work, no-deal, or remain. So what would you have him support exactly? 

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Brexit doing a great job of tanking the economy it seems:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

 

I would suspect we are unlikely to return to growth in the 3rd quarter or 4th quarter at present. I am sure a lot of this is related to continued uncertainty but not sure if a no deal Brexit will help in anyway.  

 

Obviously I am not allowed to mention Jezza or say anything bad about him but another negative from Labour as a result of him:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tens-of-thousands-quit-labour-in-first-membership-drop-under-corbyn/ar-AAFwvTr?ocid=spartanntp

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10 hours ago, Innovindil said:

I don't think supporting no-deal over this deal that couldn't get the votes needed in a handful of attempts is out-farageing Farage tbf. The options right now are this deal, which hasn't and will not work, no-deal, or remain. So what would you have him support exactly? 

He should do what is best for the country. I can not see how in any world a no deal Brexit is good for anyone really. It just isn't - accepting Mays deal would be far and away preferable. I understand the idiots now can not support that because they have rejected in 3 times, the EU are unlikely to give us a new deal unless it appears to be having a major negative impact on France and Germany.

 

No deal is not really an viable option for this country, the short term will be very painful I fear at least. 

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Should we blame Brexit on all countries growth, or lack of it? Europe generally is experiencing a slow-down as is shown in the 2 largest economies of the "EU 27"

German output fell 1.5% from May, data showed on Wednesday, while corresponding figures from France on Friday showed a drop of 2.3%. Both readings were weaker than expected .

Both countries’ export sectors - including their high-profile car industries - have been hit by flagging demand from China, the world’s number two economy, as its trade dispute with the United States has deepened.

“We no longer expect the Chinese government to significantly boost its stimulus package,” Commerzbank economist Joerg Kraemer said. “Instead, it accepts the growth loss that comes with the trade war.”

Citing weaker demand from emerging markets and from China in particular, the bank’s economic research team cut its 2020 growth forecast for the German economy to 0.8% from 1.3% previously.

Carsten Brzeski, from ING-Diba, said the weak export figures had made a small second quarter economic contraction more likely.

That would put in on an equal footing with Britain, whose economy unexpectedly shrank for the first time since 2012 in the second quarter, in a severe hangover from a pre-Brexit stockpiling boost in early 2019 that bodes ill as the country prepares to leave the EU on Oct. 31.

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The pound is basically on par with the Euro.

 

The economy is crumbling.

 

We’re heading for another recession.

 

The disaster capitalists must be rubbing their fat little hands together.

 

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1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

The pound is basically on par with the Euro.

 

The economy is crumbling.

 

We’re heading for another recession.

 

The disaster capitalists must be rubbing their fat little hands together.

 

i heard on the radio just now that they're concerned we won't get control back of our fishing waters with a no deal brexit.

 

LOL 

 

chalk off another ****ing stupid reason to leave the EU then hahaha. 

 

everything they promised, fading away.

 

BLUE PASSPORTS THOUGH MATES WOW SIGN ME UP PLZ

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2 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

 

i heard on the radio just now that they're concerned we won't get control back of our fishing waters with a no deal brexit.

 

LOL 

 

chalk off another ****ing stupid reason to leave the EU then hahaha. 

 

everything they promised, fading away.

 

BLUE PASSPORTS THOUGH MATES WOW SIGN ME UP PLZ

 

And even those we could have had anyway - there was no EU law preventing it.

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30 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Incredible to think that there are real life human beings with actual functioning consciousness that still think this whole thing is a good idea.

We have to do it or people will be angry, apparently. 

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2 hours ago, lifted*fox said:

 

i heard on the radio just now that they're concerned we won't get control back of our fishing waters with a no deal brexit.

 

LOL 

 

chalk off another ****ing stupid reason to leave the EU then hahaha. 

 

everything they promised, fading away.

 

BLUE PASSPORTS THOUGH MATES WOW SIGN ME UP PLZ

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio...There is concern about the likely difficulty of patrolling UK waters, but that is a different matter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49302778?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics&link_location=live-reporting-story

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