st albans fox 5,031 Report post Posted 5 November 5 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Wasn't a direct VAR decision, but it was during the period where VAR wouldn't overturn any decision VAR wouldn't overturn it now either ...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 4,130 Report post Posted 5 November 8 minutes ago, st albans fox said: VAR wouldn't overturn it now either ...... Potentially would, anyhow they've not had hard luck with VAR like he's suggesting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trabuch 1,384 Report post Posted 5 November 6 hours ago, squarez said: I have to agree with @Les-TA-Jon here. You have a problem with the laws of the game, not VAR. The referees - video assistant or otherwise - are just enforcing the rule that the ball in play can't be interfered with by an out-of-play player (substitute/red carded/etc). This isn't a VAR issue. It IS a VAR issue. Without VAR no one knows this has happened. It's not talked about - it's not contentious - no cares cares - it doesn't exist. If that isn't a VAR issue then what is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 4,130 Report post Posted 5 November 5 minutes ago, trabuch said: It IS a VAR issue. Without VAR no one knows this has happened. It's not talked about - it's not contentious - no cares cares - it doesn't exist. If that isn't a VAR issue then what is? Even with VAR, it's the new law that causes the goal to be ruled out. Take aim at that specific law, not VAR. Just because VAR has its faults, doesn't mean every issue on a football pitch is now the fault of VAR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeds Fox 906 Report post Posted 5 November Just chatting in the bar, mostly about the Alli handball. It’s the rules that need clearing up. If we’re going to have VAR (which we are), the rules need to be clear cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trabuch 1,384 Report post Posted 5 November Just now, UniFox21 said: Even with VAR, it's the new law that causes the goal to be ruled out. Take aim at that specific law, not VAR. Just because VAR has its faults, doesn't mean every issue on a football pitch is now the fault of VAR. Seems to be a misunderstanding (haha in a VAR thread - who'd have thought it!). I was talking about the issue with a sub knocking the ball back into play with his foot 2cm in the penalty area being carded and a penalty being awarded. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/50203398 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 4,130 Report post Posted 5 November 1 minute ago, trabuch said: Seems to be a misunderstanding (haha in a VAR thread - who'd have thought it!). I was talking about the issue with a sub knocking the ball back into play with his foot 2cm in the penalty area being carded and a penalty being awarded. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/50203398 Lol think I've jumped in for something else Yeah that's not a VAR fault, just an official with no common sense. Stupid decision, it's going out of play irrelevant tbh 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trabuch 1,384 Report post Posted 5 November 1 minute ago, UniFox21 said: Lol think I've jumped in for something else Yeah that's not a VAR fault, just an official with no common sense. Stupid decision, it's going out of play irrelevant tbh But I have to wonder what jobsworthy willy puller (in the VAR booth) pointed it out to the ref in the first place. I'll give this one up though. I mean - saying it's not the technology but the users is a no brainer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 4,130 Report post Posted 5 November Just now, trabuch said: But I have to wonder what jobsworthy willy puller (in the VAR booth) pointed it out to the ref in the first place. I'll give this one up though. I mean - saying it's not the technology but the users is a no brainer. I really think its just both officials missing a few screws and not applying common sense. No one is getting to that ball and he's literally stopped it to speed up the restart. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoyJones 652 Report post Posted 5 November 10 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said: Just chatting in the bar, mostly about the Alli handball. It’s the rules that need clearing up. If we’re going to have VAR (which we are), the rules need to be clear cut. I thought the rules were clear cut, but the problem is that the VAR officials are still making subjective decisions and deciding which rules to implement. The Alli type handball could happen in all 10 matches next weekend, probably five would be given and five would not. Under the current rules deliberate handball is a penalty and anyone who has played football at any level knows that Alli knew what he was doing, but the VAR official decided for whatever reason to ignore the rules of football. VAR decisions are gradually deteriorating week by week and if the Premier League really care about FairPlay and the fans they need to bin the system until they can make it work in a consistent and fair manner. At the moment there is no accountability and the officials are misusing the system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozleicester 5,940 Report post Posted 5 November 4 hours ago, Markyblue said: Klopp has gone from a breath of fresh air to a terrible stench and the nearer they get to the title the more insufferable he will become. As has Pep... more Mourinho by the day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozleicester 5,940 Report post Posted 6 November Re VAR, i still believe the problem is, that you cannot make it a rules only game, thats why the Alli one and others are causing consternation. It is SPORT, it requires an amount of interpretation, balls will bounce differently, tackles will have unexpected outcomes, we either have a sport with occasional errors (in our eyes)... or we play the game with robots/computers and have it perefect Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leeds Fox 906 Report post Posted 6 November 59 minutes ago, BoyJones said: I thought the rules were clear cut, but the problem is that the VAR officials are still making subjective decisions and deciding which rules to implement. The Alli type handball could happen in all 10 matches next weekend, probably five would be given and five would not. Under the current rules deliberate handball is a penalty and anyone who has played football at any level knows that Alli knew what he was doing, but the VAR official decided for whatever reason to ignore the rules of football. VAR decisions are gradually deteriorating week by week and if the Premier League really care about FairPlay and the fans they need to bin the system until they can make it work in a consistent and fair manner. At the moment there is no accountability and the officials are misusing the system. Well as far as I’m aware (could be wrong), the rules for handball for the attacking team and defending team aren’t the same. So, it isn’t clear cut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sand cats 32 Report post Posted 6 November I voted the first option, i like Var but i criticize the fact that the interpretation of the video replays depends on the moods of the referees who run Var, sometimes video replays is clearly the opposite of Var decision and that only tells us that the referees are biased. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoareyaaa 1,621 Report post Posted 7 November https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/how-the-premier-league-table-would-look-without-var-this-season/ar-AAJWSQO?ocid=spartanntp How things would look without VAR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 4,130 Report post Posted 7 November 1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/how-the-premier-league-table-would-look-without-var-this-season/ar-AAJWSQO?ocid=spartanntp How things would look without VAR **** me I hate these things. We have tables telling us what the league looks like if we go without VAR, with only xG and if goals scored by players beginning with R counted as double. None of it matters and its all pointless bullshit. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoareyaaa 1,621 Report post Posted 7 November 52 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: **** me I hate these things. We have tables telling us what the league looks like if we go without VAR, with only xG and if goals scored by players beginning with R counted as double. None of it matters and its all pointless bullshit. I agree mate just made me laugh tbh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend_in_blue 1,219 Report post Posted 7 November 2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premier-league/how-the-premier-league-table-would-look-without-var-this-season/ar-AAJWSQO?ocid=spartanntp How things would look without VAR I don't see how they can have Liverpool on level points with what they have now with VAR. They've had our game and at least one other I can think of that has gone massively in their favour thanks to a backhander from the VAR official. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HighPeakFox 7,003 Report post Posted 7 November 33 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: I don't see how they can have Liverpool on level points with what they have now with VAR. They've had our game and at least one other I can think of that has gone massively in their favour thanks to a backhander from the VAR official. I really wish people would at least use either the phrase 'allegedly' or 'in my opinion'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sampson 1,760 Report post Posted 7 November (edited) 27 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: I don't see how they can have Liverpool on level points with what they have now with VAR. They've had our game and at least one other I can think of that has gone massively in their favour thanks to a backhander from the VAR official. It's nothing to do with whether VAR has got things right or wrong, it's just about whether VAR has intervened. The ref had already given then penalty in our game and VAR didn't overturn it- that's all its saying. If anything, it just just shows the refs have been shit against us this season and VAR has had to overturn their decisions more. Edited 7 November by Sampson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trav Le Bleu 7,064 Report post Posted 9 November Interesting VAR incident in the Spurs v Sheffield Utd game. Blades goal ruled out for an extremely marginal offside by the player who passed the ball to the player who passed the ball to the player who scored. How long before we VAR every pass in the opposition half? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unabomber 10,148 Report post Posted 9 November Does anyone still want VAR? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUltimateWinner 5,299 Report post Posted 9 November 1 minute ago, Unabomber said: Does anyone still want VAR? VAR if used right could still be good. Of course I’d rather not have it in its current form though. Ruining football in its current state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unabomber 10,148 Report post Posted 9 November (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: VAR if used right could still be good. Of course I’d rather not have it in its current form though. Ruining football in its current state. That Sheffield united decision is beyond belief. I think just stick with goal line technology and use replays to retrospectively punish missed bad fouls and divers. Then just accept human error during games as it is ruining celebrations etc. Edited 9 November by Unabomber 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unabomber 10,148 Report post Posted 9 November Also as we are seeing when they go to VAR it isn’t concrete it is still individual opinion and not fact that is deciding decisions. Awful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites