Getting brexit done!

[lgfualol]

On 15/12/2019 at 11:05, Charl91 said:

Not quite sure how the post elicited that response from you. Very odd.

The bloke has been getting steadily more triggered as the election has gone along, this outburst has been coming  

[RonnieTodger]

Bloody hell I had no idea. Wish Boris warned us.

Edited 16 December 2019 by RonnieTodger

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Hopefully Boris’ form of Brexit will speed up the formation of a united Ireland.

 Hopefully Angelina Jolie will decide she wants to be with me by the end of 2020.

[Carl the Llama]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

So the Good Friday agreement should just go? It is bound by internation law, it will clearly have (and has) a huge impact on border controls. This is one international bindong agreement, but there are other contractual agreements in existence signed between the UK and EU. 

Time to stop the politics and look at the law and what can actually be achieved within it. Brexit will be soft, it seem unavoidable.

Don't tell me, I'm not responsible for the Tory's election campaign, I didn't promise to get Brexit done as though it's like ripping off a plaster.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Don't tell me, I'm not responsible for the Tory's election campaign, I didn't promise to get Brexit done as though it's like ripping off a plaster.

Blame Cameron (For his weakness) and the ERG (just cos) - and the referndum question (NOT the result) should have been illegal (in/out - ffs - lol)

[Jon the Hat]

3 hours ago, lgfualol said:

The bloke has been getting steadily more triggered as the election has gone along, this outburst has been coming  

I am now relaxed and at peace.  

Must admit this has been a stressful few weeks - apologies all for the slight overreaction here and probably elsewhere.

[Carl the Llama]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Blame Cameron (For his weakness) and the ERG (just cos) - and the referndum question (NOT the result) should have been illegal (in/out - ffs - lol)

Preaching to the choir, pal.  But now that Boris has campaigned in the way that he has, and given his involvement in the referendum, he has a lot of nigh-impossible promises to fulfil and I would hope the people who voted for him will be willing to hold him accountable in the same way that the country's left has rightfully abandoned Corbyn en masse.  Wishful thinking?  We'll see...

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Preaching to the choir, pal.  But now that Boris has campaigned in the way that he has, and given his involvement in the referendum, he has a lot of nigh-impossible promises to fulfil and I would hope the people who voted for him will be willing to hold him accountable in the same way that the country's left has rightfully abandoned Corbyn en masse.  Wishful thinking?  We'll see...

Hope so. (I didn't vote Tory this time, but normally do)

Dislike them all tbh, Tories for their cynical campaign, or Labour for their willful abandonment of being a realistic opposition.

Anyway, eyes open, hope for best. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

13 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

But all accounts suggest that his previous "support for the IRA" and associations with people like Hamas & Hezbollah featured strongly in condemnations of him.....well, the IRA hasn't been active for 20+ years and most of his dubious Middle East associations or comments supporting Venezuela came from before he was leader. Are we really saying that an electorate that mainly pays little attention to politics retained memories of the affiliations of an obscure backbencher for decades and then held it against him?

Surely, this mainly came from reheated press coverage produced after he became leader, referring back to "who he was"....which then got promoted online and by word of mouth and discussed as a controversial issue on TV. Maybe negative press is still more influential indirectly than I realised?

 

If so, that makes it all the more important that the new leader is someone who doesn't give hostages to fortune by having skeletons in their cupboard or saying/doing things that alienate people. The right-wing media will savagely attack almost any Labour leader (Blair is the only one in 40 years that I can remember NOT being savaged - and he went out of his way to produce moderate policies & to even dine with Murdoch as Opposition Leader). It's ironic, now, to remember Miliband - who came from a Jewish family, son of Jews who escaped the Nazis - being lambasted for looking weird eating a bacon sandwich & having a Dad who "hated Britain". But if the press do still have more influence than I thought, that needs to be a serious consideration when choosing a new leader.

Not choosing a crank would be a good start. I actually think Corbyn wasn't treated badly enough by the press given that he would have been a complete foreign policy disaster, he should never have been anywhere close to being PM. Probably things went overboard on economic policy (some of it was good, some of it a disaster) but substantive criticism of his likely foreign policy was a bit light imo. People, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly, speak of the impact on UK influence of leaving the EU, Corbyn would have many times worse. Take Salisbury. An absolutely disastrous response that helped to fuel the disinformation campaign around it and he still persevered with even when May laid out exactly what happened. Now it did hurt him, as I said last week (I think this was the end of him tbh), but only as an isolated incident and not as a result of the press coverage, just what his response was. The press was light cos they mocked his position rather than what it spelt for UK foreign policy if Team Corbyn got into government. Attitude towards Assad was another car crash that was broadly brushed over in the media. Even the reaction to Iran earlier in the year. Now I know we had some ****** on here talking absolute bollocks about Israel and the US framing Iran to make an excuse for war but that could have been official UK government position with Corbyn and Milne running the show. So I maintain in that aspect they got away with it with the media but I think the message is don't choose a crank whether they have skeletons in the closet or will unveil their true colours when responding to something.

 

I have sympathy for the view of Labour leaders being harshly treated by the media, you'd have to be an ostrich not to think it tbh. For Miliband I think it came about because some in his own party turned on him and briefed against him and the media were all too happy to oblige in amplifying it and keep it rolling. Also, his stance on Syria probably didn't help, deserved a press battering after that. The bacon sandwich stuff was utter nonsense though, should have been an embarrassment for the media not him. Brown was terribly treated, Kinnock was useless anyway and Blair had to have dinner with the devil to get away with it. Of course Labour leaders are at a disadvantage with the media but it does help if they aren't easy targets and have some competence. Miliband may have been harshly treated but he also just wasn't a very good party leader or potential PM, same with Kinnock. 

[Charl91]

11 hours ago, Strokes said:

You may be right but it is irrelevant now, Remainers best hope now, is that without needing the ERG or DUP Boris Johnson stitches them up to deliver a softer brexit. I can’t see it myself but you can never trust him can you?

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that there's nothing that remainers can do about it now to be honest - that ship has sailed.

 

Just disputing the fact that "remainers are a minority", as someone said above. Maybe a minority in parliament, but not in terms of general population.

[Mike Oxlong]

Heard on the radio on the way home that Andrew Bridgen has said that Farage and Ken Clarke should be given knighthoods for their respective roles in representing the different sides of the Brexit debate 

 

What a fvckin toad and not the brightest move in the context of Nigel’s claims of being offered a place in the Lords 

[davieG]

General election 2019: Hart gets Welsh post in government reshuffle
14 minutes ago

Simon Hart has been appointed Welsh secretary
Boris Johnson is carrying out a mini-reshuffle of his government as he prepares to address his new Conservative MPs in Westminster.

Simon Hart has been named as Welsh secretary, replacing Alun Cairns, who quit at the start of the election.

And Nicky Morgan stays as culture secretary, despite standing down as an MP. She is taking a peerage and will sit as a cabinet minister in the Lords.

Most cabinet ministers are staying put following the Tories' victory.

Chancellor Sajid Javid is staying at the Treasury while Dominic Raab and Priti Patel will stay in post as foreign secretary and home secretary respectively, having only been in their jobs since July.

The new PM is expected to carry out wider changes to his top team in February once the UK has left the EU.

There have been unconfirmed speculation that he is considering major changes to a number of departments, including the Department for Exiting the European Union, the Home Office and Department for International Development.

Ms Morgan took many by surprise when she announced that she would not be standing as MP for Loughborough at the election. However, the former education secretary remained active on the campaign trail, prompting speculation she intended to remain in public life.

The choice of Simon Hart as Welsh secretary marks a big promotion for the 56-year old MP, who was previously a junior Cabinet Office minister.

Reacting to his appointment, Mr Hart said: "It's great to have this opportunity. I've got my orders and I'm going to try and do it as best I can."

The Welsh post has been vacant since early last month, when Alun Cairns quit over claims he knew about a former aide's role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.

Nicky Morgan stood down as MP for Loughborough at the general election
Mr Hart and Ms Morgan both backed Remain in the 2016 referendum but have been strong supporters of the PM's Brexit deal.

Downing Street has said the government plans to ask MPs to vote on the withdrawal agreement on Friday. A spokesman said the government planned to start the process in Parliament before Christmas in the "proper constitutional way".

The Withdrawal Agreement Bill is the legislation that will enable Brexit to happen - the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 January.

Before that, the PM will set out his legislative plans in a Queen's Speech on Thursday.

And later on Monday, Mr Johnson will address his new parliamentary colleagues. Many of the 109 new Conservative MPs won in areas traditionally held by Labour in Thursday's election, which saw the party gain an 80-seat majority.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50816908

[LiberalFox]

I think Scotland should be allowed to remain in the EU while England and Wales leave.

[Guest MattP]

1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Heard on the radio on the way home that Andrew Bridgen has said that Farage and Ken Clarke should be given knighthoods for their respective roles in representing the different sides of the Brexit debate 

 

What a fvckin toad and not the brightest move in the context of Nigel’s claims of being offered a place in the Lords 

It is scandalous Farage hasn't been knighted for services to politics when you see Craig Oliver was for running the remain campaign.

 

Pure political bias that he hasn't. 

[Mike Oxlong]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

It is scandalous Farage hasn't been knighted for services to politics when you see Craig Oliver was for running the remain campaign.

 

Pure political bias that he hasn't. 

No, it’s scandalous that anyone is knighted for running a campaign of this type. 

 

Toadying cronyism. 

[Mike Oxlong]

And Nicky Morgan getting a peerage ! FFS ! 

 

Roland Rat is more deserving of an honour than her

[LiberalFox]

Good job we are saving money on paying for undemocratic Brussels bureaucrats or we'd be unable to afford paying for all these undemocratic Tory peers. 

[Strokes]

3 hours ago, Charl91 said:

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that there's nothing that remainers can do about it now to be honest - that ship has sailed.

 

Just disputing the fact that "remainers are a minority", as someone said above. Maybe a minority in parliament, but not in terms of general population.

It’s almost a complete reversal of 2016 sadly.

[Brizzle Fox]

1 hour ago, Mike Oxlong said:

And Nicky Morgan getting a peerage ! FFS ! 

 

Roland Rat is more deserving of an honour than her

Gotta love a principled (ex) MP... 

 

First she said she'd never serve under Johnson. Then she did...

 

Then she said she was stepping down from front line politics.  Then she didn't... 

 

Then she said she hadn't been promised a peerage.  Which she had... 

 

And she can't even do simple sums... 

 

The brass balls on that. Respect. 

[jammie82uk]

Well this is going to be interesting 
 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicky-morgan-handed-peerage-to-keep-cabinet-job-in-pms-post-election-mini-reshuffle-11888486
 

Boris Johnson will legislate to block the Brexit transition period being extended beyond the end of 2020, according to government sources.

The bill turning the prime minister's EU divorce deal into law has been tweaked to "legally prohibit" the government agreeing to any new extension.

 

It will return to the Commons on Friday, in a move Downing Street hopes will ensure Brexit happens on 31 January and the transition period runs until the end of 2020 while both sides try to strike a trade deal.

[LiberalFox]

Can't help but feel Boris is going to try to provoke a response in order to portray Labour/Liberals/EU as obstructing Brexit. There's only one way to get Brexit done smoothly and that's to go and sort out the stuff that needs doing. 

[jammie82uk]

8 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

Can't help but feel Boris is going to try to provoke a response in order to portray Labour/Liberals/EU as obstructing Brexit. There's only one way to get Brexit done smoothly and that's to go and sort out the stuff that needs doing. 

Brexit was being blocked by the other parties

 

this legislation will put him in a Very strong position Regarding negotiations with the E.U 

[Strokes]

8 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Well this is going to be interesting 
 

https://news.sky.com/story/nicky-morgan-handed-peerage-to-keep-cabinet-job-in-pms-post-election-mini-reshuffle-11888486
 

Boris Johnson will legislate to block the Brexit transition period being extended beyond the end of 2020, according to government sources.

The bill turning the prime minister's EU divorce deal into law has been tweaked to "legally prohibit" the government agreeing to any new extension.

 

It will return to the Commons on Friday, in a move Downing Street hopes will ensure Brexit happens on 31 January and the transition period runs until the end of 2020 while both sides try to strike a trade deal.

Jo Maugham will be in Edinburgh, quicker than Gina miller can say gofundme.

[st albans fox]

Markets spooked by Cumming’s new strategy 

 

not sure about this ...... the tories ran on the back of their ‘oven ready deal’

 

changing that deal surely can’t be considered correct .......

 

assume (hope) this is just a negotiating position which will force the EU into sorting things out quickly ....... I suppose in the long run a speedy resolution is in everyone’s interest .....but it may lead to a few months of market turbulence when many assumed the worst was over !

[Jon the Hat]

13 hours ago, Charl91 said:

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that there's nothing that remainers can do about it now to be honest - that ship has sailed.

 

Just disputing the fact that "remainers are a minority", as someone said above. Maybe a minority in parliament, but not in terms of general population.

You are assuming that no Brexiteers voted for any party other than the Conservatives and the Brexit party.  Quite likely that some voted for a 2nd referendum, which as everyones seems to keep saying is not just a way to remain but putting the outcome fo Brexit negotiations back to the people.