Overseas players

[MGLCFC]

Which countries produce the best and worst players for adaptability to the Premier League and who do you feel has been the best overseas player to play in the Premier League and who was the biggest star to  flop

IMO,

 

Best - Belgium, France, Holland and Germany. Best player Thierry Henry

 

Worst - Latin American and Italian. Flop Balotelli

 

Why is it that very few South American players are highly successful in the Premier League?

[MPH]

25 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Which countries produce the best and worst players for adaptability to the Premier League and who do you feel has been the best overseas player to play in the Premier League and who was the biggest star to  flop

IMO,

 

Best - Belgium, France, Holland and Germany. Best player Thierry Henry

 

Worst - Latin American and Italian. Flop Balotelli

 

Why is it that very few South American players are highly successful in the Premier League?

Ravanelli was great!

 

[lanefox]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

Ravanelli was great!

 

Zola would’ve been the best example of an italian player

[Vacamion]

 

I think that describing everyone who comes from a certain country as being the same just because they come from that country is not a great path to go down.

 

 

[Fox92]

Harsh on South America. They aren't represented that bad and I can think of loads of examples now... The two best goalkeepers in the league are both Brazilian as well as other key players in each team (Fabinho, Firminho, Fernandinho). Juninho, Tevez, Macherano, Zabaleta (is he still at West Ham though?) and Countinho were all great players in this Country as was Suarez who was/is one of the best players of this generation. Gilberto Silva was brilliant for Arsenal and they never really replaced him.

 

Filipe Anderson, Richardison, Lucas Moura, Lamela, Lanzini are all good current players too and I haven't mentioned Ulloa or Cambiasso yet

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

South America isn't represented that bad though and I can think of loads of examples now... The two best goalkeepers in the league are both Brazilian as well as other key players in each team (Fabinho, Firminho, Fernandinho). Juninho, Tevez, Macherano, Zabaleta (is he still at West Ham though?) and Countinho were all great players in this Country as was Suarez who was/is one of the best players of this generation. Gilberto Silva was brilliant for Arsenal and they never really replaced him. Zabaela

 

Filipe Anderson, Richardison, Lucas Moura, Lamela, Lanzini are all good current players too and I haven't mentioned Ulloa or Cambiasso yet

You've forgotten that one of the all-time top goalscorers in Aguero too!

[Fox92]

5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

You've forgotten that one of the all-time top goalscorers in Aguero too!

ha damn I thought I'd miss someone but not someone as good as Aguero.

[AllGoneTitsSchlupp]

22 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

I think that describing everyone who comes from a certain country as being the same just because they come from that country is not a great path to go down.

 

 

In before the lock. 

[murphy]

53 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

I think that describing everyone who comes from a certain country as being the same just because they come from that country is not a great path to go down.

 

 

I think you are interpreting this in a way (hopefully) not intended by OP.  I imagine that we are talking about the difficulties coming from different respective leagues?  Maybe difficulties culturally?  I dunno.

 

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be any correlation from hits and misses from different countries as I see it.  For every Musa there's a Wilf, for every Silva there's a Ricardo etc.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, MGLCFC said:

Which countries produce the best and worst players for adaptability to the Premier League and who do you feel has been the best overseas player to play in the Premier League and who was the biggest star to  flop

IMO,

 

Best - Belgium, France, Holland and Germany. Best player Thierry Henry

 

Worst - Latin American and Italian. Flop Balotelli

 

Why is it that very few South American players are highly successful in the Premier League?

That Cambiasso was rubbish.

[mozartfox]

Christian Fuchs..  🇦🇹 

 

 

 

 

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

 

I think that describing everyone who comes from a certain country as being the same just because they come from that country is not a great path to go down.

 

 

 

Different nations tend to have different footballing cultures though and develop different attributes which are generally more or less successful in different leagues.

 

It's definitely true that English players rarely seem to make it in Italy and for such a successful footballing nation Italian players generally have a disappointing record in England for example.

 

Meanwhile, Belgian and French players are generally much more successful in the PL than they are in Spain or Germany and you could argue Belgium's great recent side has been largely due to building very Premier League-style players and the Belgium national team probably have the most steretypical "Premier League"side, even over England.

[LinekersLugs]

Jesus this is “little Englander” at its worst 

 

how many English men have made any significant contribution to overseas football 

 

probably count on two hands in 130+ years 

[murphy]

16 minutes ago, Sampson said:

 

Different nations tend to have different footballing cultures though and develop different attributes which are generally more or less successful in different leagues.

 

It's definitely true that English players rarely seem to make it in Italy and for such a successful footballing nation Italian players generally have a disappointing record in England for example.

 

Meanwhile, Belgian and French players are generally much more successful in the PL than they are in Spain or Germany and you could argue Belgium's great recent side has been largely due to building very Premier League-style players and the Belgium national team probably have the most steretypical "Premier League"side, even over England.

 

When Italy was churning out brilliant players, Serie A was also very strong so we never saw the very best Italians in the Prem (Zola aside who was superb).   Ravenelli, Vialli and Lombardo were good players but a bit over the hill when they came here.  The same tends to apply for the Spanish, the best end up at Madrid and Barca so the PL players tend to be second tier.

 

On the other hand, a country like Holland which has a weak domestic league exports most of it's best players hence the likes of Bergkamp, Overmars, Van Nistelrooy, Gullit, Robben, Stam.... There's loads.  Same applies for Belgium.

[Bayfox]

2 hours ago, murphy said:

 

When Italy was churning out brilliant players, Serie A was also very strong so we never saw the very best Italians in the Prem (Zola aside who was superb).   Ravenelli, Vialli and Lombardo were good players but a bit over the hill when they came here.  The same tends to apply for the Spanish, the best end up at Madrid and Barca so the PL players tend to be second tier.

 

On the other hand, a country like Holland which has a weak domestic league exports most of it's best players hence the likes of Bergkamp, Overmars, Van Nistelrooy, Gullit, Robben, Stam.... There's loads.  Same applies for Belgium.

But for every one of those dutch exports you've listed there's a Janssen or who's the bloke that went Middlesbrough.

 

I guess some is talent and some is adaptation. 

Let's be honest south America has some decent exports it's just they end up in spain due to climate etc.

 

Our climate makes coming here a barrier to most and although the south American leagues are very physical.

 

Those from the continent aren't used to the lack of time of the ball the pyhsical nature. 

 

Out product which is what it is now is unique. Its changing granted but it's still very physical.

[murphy]

8 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

But for every one of those dutch exports you've listed there's a Janssen or who's the bloke that went Middlesbrough.

 

I guess some is talent and some is adaptation. 

Let's be honest south America has some decent exports it's just they end up in spain due to climate etc.

Well yeah, we'll get the second or third tier Dutch players too, the point I'm making is that the very best Dutch players will go overseas, often to the riches of the PL, due to the fact that their league is relatively weak.  Stronger leagues tend to keep most of their top tier players.

 

I didn't mention SA players but we have had a lot of good ones in the Prem too.

 

 

 

 

Edit - I didn't crop your post, I notice that you've just added to it.  

 

[ThingsCouldGetMessi]

4 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

Which countries produce the best and worst players for adaptability to the Premier League and who do you feel has been the best overseas player to play in the Premier League and who was the biggest star to  flop

IMO,

 

Best - Belgium, France, Holland and Germany. Best player Thierry Henry

 

Worst - Latin American and Italian. Flop Balotelli

 

Why is it that very few South American players are highly successful in the Premier League?

The best countries you name are all pretty close geographically. Players coming from these countries will find it a lot easier to adapt off the pitch when they move to England with a lot of aspects being fairly similar. 

 

There are plenty of South American players doing well in the PL now. I'm sure back in the 90's there were a lot less players from these countries playing in England. I can't remember any Brazilian player over here in that period. Spain has always appealed more to South American players and the big names used to often go to Serie A. The lack of star names coming over here from those countries of course meant the number being successful was lower. 

[Finnegan]

"Why is it so few South Americans are succesful in the Premier League?"

 

Uh, so I mean, probably the best striker in the history of the league is from Argentina? 

 

Other title winning Argentinans include Tevez, Heinze, Ulloa, Crespo, Otamendi and Zabaletta and that's ignoring all those like Mascherano, Speroni, Coloccini, Gutierrez, Pereyra etc who were all clearly important for their sides. 

 

Don't even get me started on Brazilians. Alisson and Ederson are about to go back to back as title winning keepers just off the bat, Fabinho and Fernandinho are equally vital members of their squads and Liverpool would be nothing without Firmino and Gabriel Jesus is Pep's little golden pet project. 

 

Coutinho is the highest fee ever received for a Premier League player such was his impact. 

 

David Luiz, Willian, Alex, Belletti, Filipe Luis, Oscar and Ramires have all won the league with Chelsea alone. Then you start getting on to the likes of Edu, Gilberto Silva, Juninho, Leiva, Rafael, Robinho, Sylvinho et all.

 

Honourable mentions for Luis Suarez, Gus Poyet, Juan Pablo Angel, Faustino Asprilla and Antonio Valencia. 

 

So, uh, yeah. South Americans eh. Shit the lot of them. 

[CollinsLCFC]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

"Why is it so few South Americans are succesful in the Premier League?"

 

Uh, so I mean, probably the best striker in the history of the league is from Argentina? 

 

Other title winning Argentinans include Tevez, Heinze, Ulloa, Crespo, Otamendi and Zabaletta and that's ignoring all those like Mascherano, Speroni, Coloccini, Gutierrez, Pereyra etc who were all clearly important for their sides. 

 

Don't even get me started on Brazilians. Alisson and Ederson are about to go back to back as title winning keepers just off the bat, Fabinho and Fernandinho are equally vital members of their squads and Liverpool would be nothing without Firmino and Gabriel Jesus is Pep's little golden pet project. 

 

Coutinho is the highest fee ever received for a Premier League player such was his impact. 

 

David Luiz, Willian, Alex, Belletti, Filipe Luis, Oscar and Ramires have all won the league with Chelsea alone. Then you start getting on to the likes of Edu, Gilberto Silva, Juninho, Leiva, Rafael, Robinho, Sylvinho et all.

 

Honourable mentions for Luis Suarez, Gus Poyet, Juan Pablo Angel, Faustino Asprilla and Antonio Valencia. 

 

So, uh, yeah. South Americans eh. Shit the lot of them. 

[oxford blue]

It will be interesting to see what happens regarding a club's ability to sign foreign players - particularly those from EEA countries - after transition period for exiting the EU. We have become used to being able to buy players from around Europe without work permits; I presume this will end apart from established international players.

[urban fox]

16 hours ago, oxford blue said:

It will be interesting to see what happens regarding a club's ability to sign foreign players - particularly those from EEA countries - after transition period for exiting the EU. We have become used to being able to buy players from around Europe without work permits; I presume this will end apart from established international players.

Was thinking this myself recently. Once we are out of the EU I presume the same criteria for foreign players from outside the EU and visas etc. will apply going forwards. This will make it more difficult to sign younger players/prospects. If they meet the criteria in respect of international appearances then they will command higher prices and wages.

[Nalis]

You always hear pundits questions if a South American playmaker can handle the physicality of the english game which is ridiculous, its like they havent seen how brutal the defenders are in the Brazilian and Argentine leagues that said playmaker would have had to face.