ozleicester Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 On 10/08/2020 at 01:29, twoleftfeet said: A question to all the socialists should the points won by clubs in the league this season be redistributed to help the less fortunate clubs? Thus we all end the season on 52.4 pionts or should pionts just be taken from the top 1% of clubs in the league and given to the less fortunate clubs? Peoples inability to differentiate between sport and society is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 9 hours ago, Stadt said: The vast majority of Americans DO have faith in the police, even African Americans. https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx If liberals don't vote because Harris is a law & order candidate then they're cutting their nose to spite their face. Yeah that’s fair, I’d admit I’m probably being too harsh on her in that respect, but I see her appointment as another wasted opportunity for the Dems. I’m sure it’ll rank highly with older African-Americans, but the younger demographic (alongside a good portion of youth voters across any ethnic group) still seemed rankled by what happened with Bernie, and it seems rather than win them over they disregarded them for an ‘old vote’ running mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 7 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: Yeah that’s fair, I’d admit I’m probably being too harsh on her in that respect, but I see her appointment as another wasted opportunity for the Dems. I’m sure it’ll rank highly with older African-Americans, but the younger demographic (alongside a good portion of youth voters across any ethnic group) still seemed rankled by what happened with Bernie, and it seems rather than win them over they disregarded them for an ‘old vote’ running mate. That younger demographic probably wouldn't have voted for Biden, no matter the VP pick. They wanted Bernie or similar. More I think about it, this is at the least not a strategically bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 8 hours ago, foxile5 said: You found nothing untoward about him talking about kids stroking his golden leg hair in the pool, calling them roaches, and threatening to beat someone with a chain untoward? This is a man vying for the highest office in the land boasting about racially taunting a gangster and preparing to beat him with a chain, a story that bears no relevance to anything at all other than it happened in the same place they currently are. He's so in touch with black America he called the small children roaches. I dunno, you're entitled to you view, but it's difficult for me to see anything that isn't nonesense in this. I You aren't looking at this with their eyes though. He is talking about a time they remember, when many white people ignored the black community entirely, and how much he learnt from them. Pretty powerful stuff to the right audience. He isn't chucking in the anecdotes for fun, they have all the polling and focus groups to back up what they are doing. Their strategists might be wrong in the end, but I doubt they are wrong with their immediate target audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 47 minutes ago, leicsmac said: That younger demographic probably wouldn't have voted for Biden, no matter the VP pick. They wanted Bernie or similar. More I think about it, this is at the least not a strategically bad move. The insanity of not voting Biden when the alternative is more Trump. I mean seriously how mad have you got to be? Like detesting the Tories and not voting Labour becuase Starmer is more centrist than your choice of Corbyn. Bonkers. Politics is always compromise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 20 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The insanity of not voting Biden when the alternative is more Trump. I mean seriously how mad have you got to be? Like detesting the Tories and not voting Labour becuase Starmer is more centrist than your choice of Corbyn. Bonkers. Politics is always compromise. You'll get absolutely no disagreement from me there - right at the start of the election process I said it was Blue No Matter Who. As I said, I don't actually think this pick will hurt Bidens chances at all. Not sure it will help them, either, but it's not a net negative IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 9 hours ago, foxile5 said: You found nothing untoward about him talking about kids stroking his golden leg hair in the pool, calling them roaches, and threatening to beat someone with a chain untoward? This is a man vying for the highest office in the land boasting about racially taunting a gangster and preparing to beat him with a chain, a story that bears no relevance to anything at all other than it happened in the same place they currently are. He's so in touch with black America he called the small children roaches. I dunno, you're entitled to you view, but it's difficult for me to see anything that isn't nonesense in this. I Just to be clear, I have no horse in the race - except that I'd like to see Trump gone. I don't know much about Biden and have no established opinion of him. I've seen a couple of clips before that did make me wonder if he had mild dementia (might have just been verbal slips). But this was quite the opposite for me - a clear message skilfully if cynically delivered. I'm not going to listen to it all again, looking for the specific bits you mention. But from memory..... - I didn't notice the reference to "roaches" but assume this was similar to how people refer to kids as "ankle-biters", as his chat was generally folksy, friendly and down-with-the people - The "leg hair" bit seemed like an innocent youthful memory - used to try to convince people he was a white guy who spent time with black people decades back when racial mixing was unusual, so someone black people could trust. - In the "chain" incident, he'd thrown someone out of the pool and the bloke & his mates supposedly waited for the young Biden in the car park with rusty razors; a colleague advised him to take a chain, which he did but defused the situation by apologising to the bloke for something he'd said, but not apologising for throwing him out of the pool.....again a folksy story designed to depict him as a man of the people familiar with the rough side of life for poorer black people & who could handle tough situations All a matter of opinion, as you say, but for me it's cynical/clever control of image/message (almost all successful politicians do this), but no brain mush or racism on display. Everyone knows he's been a big shot in Washington for decades, but they don't necessarily know his earlier background.....which he's trying to use to his electoral advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoleftfeet Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 Don't believe opinion polls. https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share I believe this is just as true in the UK And to convince you not to trust opinion polls I use an opinion poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 12 August 2020 Author Share Posted 12 August 2020 35 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said: Don't believe opinion polls. https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share I believe this is just as true in the UK And to convince you not to trust opinion polls I use an opinion poll. It's certainly true IMO, I never put anything political on my personal social media accounts, although half of that is because I can't be arsed arguing with people over Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 You'd think that polling analysis organisations, if they were actually any good, would take such effects into account. Fivethirtyeight certainly does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 49 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said: Don't believe opinion polls. https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share I believe this is just as true in the UK And to convince you not to trust opinion polls I use an opinion poll. Idk how they've measured beliefs to categorise them but the fact that 50% of 'strong liberals' believe someone should be sacked from their job for personally donating to Trump is demonstrative of how detached the word Liberal has become from its meaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: The insanity of not voting Biden when the alternative is more Trump. I mean seriously how mad have you got to be? Like detesting the Tories and not voting Labour becuase Starmer is more centrist than your choice of Corbyn. Bonkers. Politics is always compromise. Problem is when people do this for election cycle after election cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballwipe Posted 12 August 2020 Share Posted 12 August 2020 1 hour ago, LiberalFox said: Problem is when people do this for election cycle after election cycle. What was it from the opening scene of The Newsroom...? "If Liberals are so fvcking smart how come they lose so god damn always" (that's not a slight at you or your username, a very unfortunate time to pull this quote out ) People actively revel in opposition. Corbyn did for decades, his supporters do. They get to sit on their high horse and pat each other on the back as they hound anything and everyone who disagrees with them slightly, play the victim and then wonder why they lost. When Sanders and Corbyn people say they won't vote for Biden or Starmer, when they've spent years talking about how dreadful the current administrations are, they show their true colours. They don't want to win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53754294 First official opening salvo fired then. Let it begin. And now that things are official, fivethirtyeight has its accept-no-substitutes forecaster up: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ Biden currently at 71%, Trump at 29%. But there's a long way to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 Government has absolutely screwed over this kid and also thousands of others no doubt. Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 32 minutes ago, StanSP said: Government has absolutely screwed over this kid and also thousands of others no doubt. Terrible. The government have dropped a b*llock of course. And Williamson's comments about overpromoting people is nothing short of a disgrace. However, the uni's have a lot to answer for, surely they should be looking at stuff beyond grades for admission given the unique set of circumstances? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Government has absolutely screwed over this kid and also thousands of others no doubt. Terrible. So many of my Brother's friends have been absolutely screwed by the weird algorithm they've used. Sat in the carpark waiting for him and saw countless people walk out looking disheartened or crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 37 minutes ago, Lionator said: The government have dropped a b*llock of course. And Williamson's comments about overpromoting people is nothing short of a disgrace. However, the uni's have a lot to answer for, surely they should be looking at stuff beyond grades for admission given the unique set of circumstances? You'd be surprised at the number rejecting people and withdrawing offers still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 13 August 2020 Share Posted 13 August 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53772526 Good grief. Is this blatant admission of voter suppression or am I missing something here? Does he really think he has enough juice to win using this and it'll be manageable afterwards? Scary if so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53774289 Trump is an absolute disgrace of a human. Racist SOB that only appears to bring these birther situations up against coloured folk it seems. The law professor is also a tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 If this doesn't infuriate you I don't know what will. A whole generation pretty much getting a huge fvxk you from Boris and his cronies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 12 minutes ago, StanSP said: If this doesn't infuriate you I don't know what will. A whole generation pretty much getting a huge fvxk you from Boris and his cronies ... A whole generation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 A very fair assessment of it all. Schools with poorer historical performances are actually doing better in general due to the reassessments. The High achieving outliers within these schools are those which get dealt with harshly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 It seems like there may be a problem. Similarly anecdotal, but my mate’s brother got his A Level results, predicted all Bs, A-B-C in his mocks but ended up with C-C-D. He went the same school I did that was decent when I was there but recent mergers ended so badly that they’re on a ‘under review’ Ofsted rating, so I thought if it’s anything like Scotland he’ll probably have to appeal his grades. Talking of which, it’s hard to criticise the Tories for this when the SNP made the exact same fvck up last week, bit harsh to say it’s some attempt to ‘keep people in their place’. Especially when is not even a generation as much a school year. If anything, it seems ALL relevant authorities in Britain have made a fvck up of this and I imagine they’ll be plenty of appeals where they’re simply set grades at their target. I doubt too much long term harm will come of this even if it is massively unfair of those students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 14 August 2020 Share Posted 14 August 2020 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: ... A whole generation? Okay that might be an exaggeration Basically a lot of kids have got fvcked over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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