Coronavirus Thread

[yorkie1999]

The vaccine companies are claiming there are no issues with supply, the government's claiming we'll run out next month. Smells fishy. It's Logans run, except euthanasia for over 50's instead of 30's .

[leicsmac]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-idUSKBN2BA0NE

 

There's a lot of ill feeling over here about this. Discrimination happens in many places.

[Zear0]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56438629

 

Sounds like this is the source of the issue. I guess with the high numbers we achieved early on, to keep that going for new people, we'd need to hit 1mil per day to just maintain the same daily numbers on 1st doses. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Absolutely sickening if easing of restrictions is delayed due to a rumoured vaccine shortage. Very soon we will have given the first jab to groups making up 99% of deaths across the last year. Delaying for the remaining 1% would be insanity. Tbf I don't think many young people would bat an eyelid if the program of first doses was stopped completely and what was available was used to top up the vulnerable, as long as we remained on the original path outlined.  

[Innovindil]

28 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Absolutely sickening if easing of restrictions is delayed due to a rumoured vaccine shortage. Very soon we will have given the first jab to groups making up 99% of deaths across the last year. Delaying for the remaining 1% would be insanity. Tbf I don't think many young people would bat an eyelid if the program of first doses was stopped completely and what was available was used to top up the vulnerable, as long as we remained on the original path outlined.  

Dunno where the idea of delays is coming from. We're supposed to have enough to hit our target date still I think. 

Edited 18 March 2021 by Innovindil

[Spudulike]

Seems to be conflicting evidence of shelf life of the OAZ vaccine. Some say upto 6 months if stored unopened whilst others say 1 month. 

 

Any stockpiles need to be administered soon, it seems. No point in Italy refusing to export if they are not going to use them and send straight to incineration. What a criminal waste. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Absolutely sickening if easing of restrictions is delayed due to a rumoured vaccine shortage. Very soon we will have given the first jab to groups making up 99% of deaths across the last year. Delaying for the remaining 1% would be insanity. Tbf I don't think many young people would bat an eyelid if the program of first doses was stopped completely and what was available was used to top up the vulnerable, as long as we remained on the original path outlined.  

We're ahead of the curve that was predicted with the roadmap in mind, so this shouldn't cause any delays, I think they'll be outrage if there is.

 

Less than 7k people in hospital now and less than 1k on ventilators.

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Absolutely sickening if easing of restrictions is delayed due to a rumoured vaccine shortage. Very soon we will have given the first jab to groups making up 99% of deaths across the last year. Delaying for the remaining 1% would be insanity. Tbf I don't think many young people would bat an eyelid if the program of first doses was stopped completely and what was available was used to top up the vulnerable, as long as we remained on the original path outlined.  

Let's not forget that we are quite lucky compared to other countries citizens who face more lockdowns in the next few months. And there are those countries who are months away from any vaccinations.

 

I think they will assess all 4 factors in opening up and unless the other 3 outside of vaccinations cause a big concern we should be well on track. What I seem to gather is that the main concern about vaccinating as close to the whole population as possible is not protecting the under 50's who make up the 1% but more to prevent mutations. At least that is what I seem to understand is one concern. Either way, I think the UK is well on track.

 

And it just shows that if your own country is not in charge of manufacturing, imports from other countries are always risky due to many limiting factors.

 

Also, has it ever been proven that 2 doses give better protection and if so, how much difference to people with one dose?

[Sol thewall Bamba]

24 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

We're ahead of the curve that was predicted with the roadmap in mind, so this shouldn't cause any delays, I think they'll be outrage if there is.

 

Less than 7k people in hospital now and less than 1k on ventilators.

More hospitals in the country than people on ventilators, great news. 

[Dr The Singh]

Day 3 of the vaccine, still haven't turned into a lizard or the nanobots haven't taken control, although my erectile dysfunction has gone.

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

4 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

I’ve thought all along that as soon as most of the old people more likely to vote Tory had been vaccinated, the roll out would slow right down.

 

Was hoping it was just me being unfairly cynical. 

Pathetic 

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet
 

Very bad news from Norway 

After translation it looks like Norway have concluded that the vaccine caused the blood clot cases their and was responsible for the death of the young woman. I can’t see Norway playing politics here.
There’s even a suggestion that this isn’t even just unique to the AZ vaccine.

 

This could be seriously bad.

[Guest Lcfc82]

5 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

I’ve thought all along that as soon as most of the old people more likely to vote Tory had been vaccinated, the roll out would slow right down.

 

Was hoping it was just me being unfairly cynical. 

What a load of bollocks

[yorkie1999]

Hancock reckons they need to re-test 1.2 million doses. If they are doses then they are already in their vials and can't be re-tested.

[when_you're_smiling]

2 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

What a load of bollocks

Hopefully!

[Guest Lcfc82]

3 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Absolutely sickening if easing of restrictions is delayed due to a rumoured vaccine shortage. Very soon we will have given the first jab to groups making up 99% of deaths across the last year. Delaying for the remaining 1% would be insanity. Tbf I don't think many young people would bat an eyelid if the program of first doses was stopped completely and what was available was used to top up the vulnerable, as long as we remained on the original path outlined.  

There still saying there on course to vaccinate everyone as originally planned and the roadmap is still the same. 
We shall see though, I think the delay in April is more likely to stop many people going abroad for summer holidays 

[Soup]

19 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

There still saying there on course to vaccinate everyone as originally planned and the roadmap is still the same. 
We shall see though, I think the delay in April is more likely to stop many people going abroad for summer holidays 

Really,? I'm hearing that a negative test, or proof you've had covid as well as being vaccinated will be make it ok to travel. In the short term anyway.

[dsr-burnley]

57 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet
 

Very bad news from Norway 

After translation it looks like Norway have concluded that the vaccine caused the blood clot cases their and was responsible for the death of the young woman. I can’t see Norway playing politics here.
There’s even a suggestion that this isn’t even just unique to the AZ vaccine.

 

This could be seriously bad.

If the university is correct, the next question is "why them?".  If this side effect is randomly generated across the population, it wouldn't (without stretching coincidence to ridiculous extremes) happen to 3 health care workers in the same part of Norway.  They have something else in common that has triggered this effect.  I'm sure they're working on finding out what.

[Guest Lcfc82]

3 minutes ago, Soup said:

Really,? I'm hearing that a negative test, or proof you've had covid as well as being vaccinated will be make it ok to travel. In the short term anyway.

I hope you’re right. 
I think most countries will of wanted you to have had both doses of the vaccine, which would be an issue for many younger people.

[reynard]

5 hours ago, rico said:

I had the AZ last week, had no side effects at all but i do know people who have felt rough a couple of days later...

Same here. My wife also had the Az and had no side effects. Just seems to be luck.

Edited 18 March 2021 by reynard

[reynard]

1 hour ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet
 

Very bad news from Norway 

After translation it looks like Norway have concluded that the vaccine caused the blood clot cases their and was responsible for the death of the young woman. I can’t see Norway playing politics here.
There’s even a suggestion that this isn’t even just unique to the AZ vaccine.

 

This could be seriously bad.

Pretty sure there have been more or as many reports of blood clots following the Pfizer vaccine.

May be bad news for the Eu but the results from the 10 million plus vaccines given in the Uk are not suggesting a massive problem. All about risk balance really. Do you want to risk 3 lives to save several hundred thousand? Obviously need to be investigated but there is a much bigger picture in play here.

[Soup]

8 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

I hope you’re right. 
I think most countries will of wanted you to have had both doses of the vaccine, which would be an issue for many younger people.

If they do insist then they'll be hardly any travel at all. There's still the issue about vaccinated people still infecting others as well. We'll soon see i guess.

[reynard]

11 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

I hope you’re right. 
I think most countries will of wanted you to have had both doses of the vaccine, which would be an issue for many younger people.

Not necessarily. Not sure when the J&J vaccine will be approved or indeed arrives but that is a one dose vaccine and I can see that being used for the later stages ie younger people.

I wouldn't want to travel anywhere in Europe right now. Their health systems are under massive pressure and more lockdows are happening or will happen. Illegal until at least 17th may in any case.

[Dahnsouff]

6 hours ago, when_you're_smiling said:

I’ve thought all along that as soon as most of the old people more likely to vote Tory had been vaccinated, the roll out would slow right down.

 

Was hoping it was just me being unfairly cynical. 

Lets just stick all those different people in a one big box and stick a label on  it  

 

Delighted to say life is a little more nuanced that you make it out!!

Edited 18 March 2021 by Dahnsouff

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

6 minutes ago, reynard said:

Pretty sure there have been more or as many reports of blood clots following the Pfizer vaccine.

May be bad news for the Eu but the results from the 10 million plus vaccines given in the Uk are not suggesting a massive problem. All about risk balance really. Do you want to risk 3 lives to save several hundred thousand? Obviously need to be investigated but there is a much bigger picture in play here.

I agree with you, both my parents have had the AZ and I’d have it today if I could, but if a whole country decides to drop the AZ completely the knock on effect would be huge.

Furthermore some people in other forums etc seem to be attributing this issue specifically to younger women, I know most healthcare workers have been jabbed but it would still be a relatively small sample in this country. Also in the countries who have suspended it, I think the concern is not the number of blood clot cases but the specific type of rare clot in a certain demographic, although I could be completely wrong about that.

My concern is if a global hault is called for to fully investigate or tweek it. Not to mention the ammunition this gives anti-vax lunatics. I personally could not cope with delays to the roadmap, it will tip me over the edge.