StanSP Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 So if an attacker in the box did what Kante did yesterday and it led to a goal for the attacker's team, would that still be allowed? It wasn't given as a penalty in a defensive situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 1 hour ago, jammie82uk said: it has changed the Law 12 definition for handball, whereby the arm ends at the bottom of the armpit, must be used when judging whether a player is in an offside position https://www.theifab.com/news/annual-general-meeting-2021 I’m still not clear what this means? ‘The arm ending at the bottom of the armpit’. Is that a reversion to last year or is that the sleeve ?? I thought last year was the top of the armpit (hence the issues with shoulders being given as handball). I was under the impression that the bottom of the armpit is the sleeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clever Fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 2 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said: I would agree. I think they should measure the feet only, not any body part you can score with. Therefore if the defender is running up the pitch (playing offside trap or just running forward) and the attacker is heading towards goal, the attacker is OK as long as his feet are in line or behind the defenders feet. Even if the upper body (arm/shoulders) look miles apart (offside). I am all for giving the attacker more of an advantage. That way it is fairly simple to measure with the lines (yes you still have when was the ball played, where do the feet start/end etc.). It will eradicate the ridiculous decisions like Werner yesterday and was it Bamford at Palace? I've said exactly the same before. It's just so blatantly obvious. You can only pivot so far in any direction from your feet. It's also easier to determine for Var using the lines across the Pitch and the feet. You could even say it's the standing foot that counts. That would simplify it for everybody to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UpTheLeagueFox Posted 5 March 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 5 March 2021 Scrap offside. Simple. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 2 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Scrap offside. Simple. Fairest way IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrefelderFox666 Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 21 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: I've said exactly the same before. It's just so blatantly obvious. You can only pivot so far in any direction from your feet. It's also easier to determine for Var using the lines across the Pitch and the feet. You could even say it's the standing foot that counts. That would simplify it for everybody to understand. I can just imagine defenders jumping in the air to avoid having a foot on the ground to measure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 17 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Scrap offside. Simple. Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 17 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Scrap offside. Simple. Evidently they are going to trial wengers offside law where any part of the attacker being level with any part of the defender is onside. (So in an extreme scenario, the striker could be well over a yard ahead of the defender). unintended consequences could make this change to the law lead to defences dropping deeper to avoid playing strikers onside with enough room to run into ahead of the keeper clearing out. Think how a lot of sides defend against vardy. This could well result in less goals and less excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 3 minutes ago, Nalis said: Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area I'm only semi-joking. Would liven things up for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 26 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Scrap offside. Simple. Whilst we are at it, I've never liked the pass back to the goalie rule, and substitutes are for wusses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 3 minutes ago, Vacamion said: Whilst we are at it, I've never liked the pass back to the goalie rule, and substitutes are for wusses. I think they are bringing in a law where the keeper playing a goal kick to a defender who then heads back (or uses another part of the body) to circumvent the pass back law will result in a yellow card for the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammo Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 5 minutes ago, Nalis said: Know you are joking but years ago, I think there was a semi pro friendly with no offside - was bloody ridiculous, strikers never left the opposition penalty area Reminds me of my old school lunchtime 20-a-side games with a tennis ball when one forthright lad tried to ban goal-hanging by suggesting we introduce the offside rule. He got laughed out of the playground... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hales Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammo Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 Just now, Hales said: If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers! Excellent idea. Or better still have a sniper on hand just in case any of them dare to try it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: I’m still not clear what this means? ‘The arm ending at the bottom of the armpit’. Is that a reversion to last year or is that the sleeve ?? I thought last year was the top of the armpit (hence the issues with shoulders being given as handball). I was under the impression that the bottom of the armpit is the sleeve Shoulders wasn’t being given as handball last year tho was they? Top of the arms was but not Shoulders Yes this is still what is called the ‘sleeve rule’ but they have clarified what part of the body should the measurement be against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 11 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I think they are bringing in a law where the keeper playing a goal kick to a defender who then heads back (or uses another part of the body) to circumvent the pass back law will result in a yellow card for the defender. Yes that’s correct they also agreed on that today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 2 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: Shoulders wasn’t being given as handball last year tho was they? Top of the arms was but not Shoulders Yes this is still what is called the ‘sleeve rule’ but they have clarified what part of the body should the measurement be against There were a few that were given as handball where the shoulder meets the very top of the arm .... I remember one at villa park ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 50 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Scrap offside. Simple. Move the off side to line up with the edge of the penalty area. It was introduced to stop goal hanging not to catch someone out on the half way line. There was an offside last season given against Vardy because in the play he was off side but when he finally received the ball he was in his own half with several layers behind him. Crazy!! Didn't it use to be in an offside position when you received the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammie82uk Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: There were a few that were given as handball where the shoulder meets the very top of the arm .... I remember one at villa park ..... So they was rightly given then and there was no handballs given for shoulders then? But Also that it why we have the ‘sleeve rule’ to try to remove avoidance of doubt of handball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 3 hours ago, AjcW said: I'm 100% not getting involved in any 'pushing the boundaries' medicine talk given we had an ageing team that turned into un-injurable title winners ‘Pool had their inhalers, we had our joss sticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 7 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: So they was rightly given then and there was no handballs given for shoulders then? But Also that it why we have the ‘sleeve rule’ to try to remove avoidance of doubt of handball No one was sure if they were rightly given. But moving the handball to the sleeve means that the offside line is now drawn from the most forward point of the bicep rather than below the armpit. That’s removed more goals for offside than it’s probably allowed for lower shoulder handball .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioFox Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 42 minutes ago, Hales said: If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers! I kinda miss Paul Gallagher's way of taking them. Six steps with his back to goal, then just run and smash it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hales said: If they are changing laws get rid of the hop penalty takers do. Unfair advantage over goal keepers! Yep. Any form of that should be stopped. The player should just run up and hit the ball. Edited 5 March 2021 by Fox92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koke Posted 5 March 2021 Share Posted 5 March 2021 I for one am happy that Norwich will be back up. They play in yellow (unique colour). They play good football with good exciting creative players. Same reason I hope Fulham and Brighton stay up. Football has evolved so well in the last decade. Teams are actually being innovative and brave instead of coming up and playing park the bus stuff. Blackpool were praised a decade ago for having a go - now numerous teams come up and play attacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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