st albans fox Posted 5 August 2020 Share Posted 5 August 2020 7 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Arsenals redundancies according to an Arsenal mate are due to the fact that Wenger had employed lots of people who pretty much did nothing. When it comes to transfers, they end up having more than a dozen people discussing them together, rather than just two or three. I think someone earlier in the thread posted a lot of the scouts and recruitment people are going. It is a sad situation that obviously people are losing their jobs while they're paying footballers 350k a week, but if the job isn't useful anymore, then it's going to be canned unfortunately. I'd like to think that the billionaire owners or the football squad would club some money together to ensure that all of the individuals who are going to be made redundant will get a decent sized pay off to see them right for the next year or so. I’d take a hefty wager that they won’t ......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 5 August 2020 Share Posted 5 August 2020 Rich people, by and large, don't give a monkeys about others' poverty - the orthodoxy is that poorer people are poor simply through their own fault. And yet we effectively vote for that attitude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 5 August 2020 Share Posted 5 August 2020 20 minutes ago, st albans fox said: I’d take a hefty wager that they won’t ......... Yeah you're probably right, more likely to be wishful thinking on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 5 August 2020 Share Posted 5 August 2020 Jamal Lewis to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 5 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: £13.7 million paid in agent fees according to their last accounts Arsenal’s recruitment has basically been outsourced to Kia Joorabchian since they hired Kia’s client (Edu) as Technical Director. Which explains why they burn tens of millions over and over handing not only contracts, but then extensions, to sheer waste like David Luiz & Cedric Soares. Arsenal will save a couple of million firing scouts and analysts doing an honest job, to pay £13.7M to a “super agent” whose “super” talent is lining his own pockets, at the club’s expense. While Arsenal’s billionaire owner and this pond scum agent bleed the club dry, Joe Footy Fan gets up in arms about paying market rate for a striker that finished one goal off the Golden Boot. IMO Joe Footy Fan is overdue to get smarter about the business side of this game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Fox Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 Carlo Ancelotti: 'Deadwood, mismanagement & a total rebuild' - is this his biggest challenge? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53662458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 Everton are more poorly ran than Newcastle. Ashley is a c unt but given they stay up almost all the time with a minimal net spend is a better feat than Everton finishing in the bottom half most seasons. The constant desire to spend loads is misguided yet you see fans desperate for money to be spent as if guaranteed quality when it’s rarely the case. Villa spent heinous amounts on dross when they could have found better value if their scouting was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 This makes the redundancies even more ridiculous 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tuna said: Jamal Lewis to Liverpool. Both full backs at Norwich are worth looking at. Would have that Norwich would want more than £10m though. Liverpool got Robertson from Hull when they went down. Pretty sure he went for less than £10m. Edited 6 August 2020 by Fox92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 11 hours ago, Corky said: Wasn't Solskjaer complaining about how much Maguire was playing earlier this season? Plays him in a meaningless game tonight. Can’t stand him. The Babacar Sarr case was in the headlines for all of 30 seconds here and was swept under he carpet. Solskjaer and his agent, Jim Solbakken are awful people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Arsenals redundancies according to an Arsenal mate are due to the fact that Wenger had employed lots of people who pretty much did nothing. When it comes to transfers, they end up having more than a dozen people discussing them together, rather than just two or three. I think someone earlier in the thread posted a lot of the scouts and recruitment people are going. It is a sad situation that obviously people are losing their jobs while they're paying footballers 350k a week, but if the job isn't useful anymore, then it's going to be canned unfortunately. I'd like to think that the billionaire owners or the football squad would club some money together to ensure that all of the individuals who are going to be made redundant will get a decent sized pay off to see them right for the next year or so. Yeah I heard similar as well. Wenger basically employed so many people who weren't really doing anything. There are departments at the club that are way too large and they need to trim it down. Edited 6 August 2020 by Koke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxhateram Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 Young lad Jay Stansfield just got promoted with Fulham to the prem. Coached him when he was a kid. Absolutely one to watch out for in a few years time. Going to be a star for sure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8599329/Arsenal-stars-feel-betrayed-want-talks-club-making-55-staff-redundant.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_sport Arsenal players have already taken a 12.5% pay cut previously then, at least they've done something. Ozil obviously refused to take the 12.5% pay cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 Arsenal are an absolute mess. Shame they got EL because I was really thinking this could be the start of an almighty slip from their perch. We’re losing a traditional top 6 club to relegation in the next couple of seasons. Got a gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 17 minutes ago, KFS said: Arsenal are an absolute mess. Shame they got EL because I was really thinking this could be the start of an almighty slip from their perch. We’re losing a traditional top 6 club to relegation in the next couple of seasons. Got a gut feeling. No chance, those clubs are bombproof now. There arent any real consequences for mismanagement at the richest clubs these days. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 7 minutes ago, ealingfox said: No chance, those clubs are bombproof now. There arent any real consequences for mismanagement at the richest clubs these days. They just spend to get out of any issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: They just spend to get out of any issue Not really the case for Arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 (edited) Well Arsenal are a case in point, theyve been ran very badly for at least a decade, yet havent finished lower than 8th and have been in a European final and won more trophies in that time than most clubs have in their history. They haven't spent much and when they have done it's generally been spent badly. Most of that time they were being propped up by a top manager, but even after Wenger they've gotten worse without it really hurting much. They could afford to take a gamble on a rookie manager - what's genuinely the worst that might have happened under Arteta? 10th and no Europe for a season or two? As it happens he looks pretty decent and I expect them to finish higher than 8th next season. Edited 6 August 2020 by ealingfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraunstoneFox23 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, UniFox21 said: This makes the redundancies even more ridiculous Absolutely appalling. I’m sorry but I just can’t abide Arsenal fans saying they’re a big club anymore. This is the business management of a non league setup made worse by the fact that these redundancies are completely avoidable. Then trying to justify putting people out on their arse because the team needs investment; they’ve lied to their fans and their players and should be punished harshly imo. Edited 6 August 2020 by Crashtoasted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 0% chance any of Liverpool, Man City, United, Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal get relegated in the next decade, nevermind next couple of years. All they have to do is hire a half decent manager and spend 50-60m in January and they'll be fine. I think Ole is a pretty poor manager, yet he's just guided United to 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: 0% chance any of Liverpool, Man City, United, Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal get relegated in the next decade, nevermind next couple of years. All they have to do is hire a half decent manager and spend 50-60m in January and they'll be fine. I think Ole is a pretty poor manager, yet he's just guided United to 3rd. I reckon arsenal could. Arteta is so unproven it’s impossible to say whether he is good or bad. Plus if they lose Aubameyang they could be in big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 Just now, peach0000 said: I reckon arsenal could. Arteta is so unproven it’s impossible to say whether he is good or bad. Plus if they lose Aubameyang they could be in big trouble. We will see. Auba will end up signing a new contract for big money, that's half my point, these clubs can just throw 250k a week at a player who regardless of who is the manager, will guarantee them goals or assists. When Ozils contract is up next summer they'll have an extra 18m a year or so to spend, they'll be able to sign a class youngster for that or give 3 or 4 of their best players contract extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 I dont get this "Arsenal are ran badly" narrative at all, them and spurs are the only self sustaining top 6 club (Pool at a push tbf).In terms of recruitment you could argue, but no club has a consistent 3 decades of flawless recruitment. With the layoffs its unclear what jobs these lads did, I'd imagine the budget assigned to the off field jobs is completely removed from the football side, not defending it mind but the lack of clarity of when fans are allowed back in cant be a huge help to them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 8 minutes ago, peach0000 said: I reckon arsenal could. Arteta is so unproven it’s impossible to say whether he is good or bad. Plus if they lose Aubameyang they could be in big trouble. How could it happen? You're underestimating how utterly shite you need to be to go down. It would involve one of these clubs losing more than half their home games at least, and 20-odd games overall, it just wouldn't happen. The standard of player is such that they can be lazy, uninterested and under random strategy and management and they can still turn over most of the bottom half teams easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach0000 Posted 6 August 2020 Share Posted 6 August 2020 18 minutes ago, ealingfox said: How could it happen? You're underestimating how utterly shite you need to be to go down. It would involve one of these clubs losing more than half their home games at least, and 20-odd games overall, it just wouldn't happen. The standard of player is such that they can be lazy, uninterested and under random strategy and management and they can still turn over most of the bottom half teams easily. They have been getting worse season on season and that’s been with top managers. Now they have a completely inexperienced manager who no one knows whether will be any good or not. That with them losing their best players and recruiting poorly means that I feel it could happen. Nothing’s impossible in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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