Castagne

[Fox92]

19 minutes ago, StanSP said:

While the training methods may be questionable, it's also no doubt that fixture congestion did/does play a part?

If fixture congestion was the reason then other clubs would have the same issue.

 

Our training methods and medical team need looking at because these are recurring injures.

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

If fixture congestion was the reason then other clubs would have the same issue.

 

Our training methods and medical team need looking at because these are recurring injures.

Castange is a impact injury not a recurring injury 

[StanSP]

9 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Fixture congestion is nothing new, many clubs face it, so imo it’s more to do with our training methods.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

If fixture congestion was the reason then other clubs would have the same issue.

 

Our training methods and medical team need looking at because these are recurring injures.

They do?

Like I said though, not discounting training has anything to do with it  

[jeffschlupp]

14 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Who did they bring in when they sacked Dave Rennie? Harold Shipman?

On a serious note, the medical/sports science side has had huge upheaval since Rodgers was appointed

 

I make it, first-team wise, 7 appointments (English, King, Freeman, Narayan, Paxton (promoted from academy), Habershon, Driscoll) since Rodgers was appointed

And in terms of departures, Rennie (Bristol C), Murphy (Arsenal), Balsom (Tigres), Patchett (retired?), Milligan (South Sydney Rabbitohs) have gone

Academy too - Rahman, Oliver Morgan among others have been appointed

 

Whether it's a whole club drive or a Rodgers thing, I wasn't aware our medical performance needed improving. In fact, under Pearson and Ranieri we were topping injury charts for highest player availability % and general player fitness was extremely high. Very strange

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

If fixture congestion was the reason then other clubs would have the same issue.

 

Our training methods and medical team need looking at because these are recurring injures.

I've just had a look for comparison. Only really Leeds have an injury list of a similar size. However if you look at players out, there are an awful lot of hamstring issues at the mo. For example the following 

 

Hamstring/Thigh - Smith Rowe, Bailey, Mwepu, Lallana, A.Barnes, James, McArthur, Davies, Cooper, Phillips, Forshaw, Firpo, Rashford, Fernandez, Lewis, Romero, Nkolou, Etebo, Zouma, Hwang 

Groin - Bamford, Thiago, Pogba, Ronaldo, Normann, McCarthy, 

Muscular? - Son, Reguilon, Dier, 

 

Quite a wide spread tbf. 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, BKLFox said:

Could be another reason we enquired about Levi Colwill as covers RB also.

Colwill is left footed, if anything he can cover left back but don't think he's ever played on the right.

 

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

Was basically an ever present for Atalanta, crazy how he's been so badly affected since coming here.

 

Really didn't deserve it given that horrible injury he sustained in the Euros.

 

Get well soon Tim!

 

 

 

This doesn't show the niggles he's had this season as well, he's missed bits and pieces or been rested in Europe etc as struggling. So frustrating, must be part of why he's been very mediocre this season.

[turlo]

42 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

The injury situation is too consistent and prolonged to be put down to luck now. Who did they bring in when they sacked Dave Rennie? Harold Shipman?

Jose Mourinho gave him the nickname "Dr Needles"

[Gazza M]

You can have the best medics in the world but if your players are run in to the ground day in day out the inevitable happens. Training structure must be the problem in my opinion. 

[ScrumpyJack]

Ooooh Castagne,

His thigh’s made of lasagna,

Ooooh Castagne.

[gerblod]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Serious questions need to be asked of the management, fitness coaches, physios and doctors. We have an elite training facility with the medical/recovery equipment. What are we doing to address these issues? It's not just a case of fixture congestion.

It feels like no one has yet initiated an investigation into why so many injuries are happening. Someone mentioned that there's been a high turnover of recovery/therapy staff since BR took over. Given the previous high standard BR (Before Rodgers), could it be that staff are dissatisfied with his expectations of them and our players?

Comparisons with other clubs are the most accurate way to assess failings/successes in getting players back to health. However there are sometimes hidden and unexpected 'gremlins' at work. And, often, when key players are injured, the balance of a team is upset - a domino effect, if you will - due to unfamiliar patterns of play.

Such peripheral factors as the playing surface might have an influence. Both Harvey Barnes and JJ suffered the same injury on coming to a halt after running. 

I trust Rodgers will be taking an interest in why this is happening. As Matthew Sayed researched - it's small positive and negative incremental trends that often have momentous results. 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Lucky we've got a quality Prem experienced full back as back up eh. 

 

 

[Foxxed]

27 minutes ago, gerblod said:

It feels like no one has yet initiated an investigation into why so many injuries are happening. Someone mentioned that there's been a high turnover of recovery/therapy staff since BR took over. Given the previous high standard BR (Before Rodgers), could it be that staff are dissatisfied with his expectations of them and our players?

Comparisons with other clubs are the most accurate way to assess failings/successes in getting players back to health. However there are sometimes hidden and unexpected 'gremlins' at work. And, often, when key players are injured, the balance of a team is upset - a domino effect, if you will - due to unfamiliar patterns of play.

Such peripheral factors as the playing surface might have an influence. Both Harvey Barnes and JJ suffered the same injury on coming to a halt after running. 

I trust Rodgers will be taking an interest in why this is happening. As Matthew Sayed researched - it's small positive and negative incremental trends that often have momentous results. 

Anyone confirm this? Damning if true.

[Guest Kopfkino]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

If fixture congestion was the reason then other clubs would have the same issue.

 

Our training methods and medical team need looking at because these are recurring injures.

How many clubs have played the number of games that we have in the last couple of years? The teams that have are the teams best resourced for it and yet we’ve still seen Liverpool have problems, Man City have had spells like the start of last season, Spurs could hardly get a team together just before Covid in 2020. Everton and Leeds have had problems all season, Palace and Southampton, Sheffield United had huge problems last season. People called out the scousers for their solipsist crying about injuries last year, yet here we are thinking nobody else has issues.

 

Clearly there’s a problem cos we were near the top on days lost last year and we’ll be there again this year. Im sure there’s lots of factors all playing into it, including methods, which is why they’ve been reviewing that. Just funny on here how simplistic the matter is, it’s either:

 

The training methods cos other teams don’t have problems (they do and most haven’t had the workload we’ve had)

Or it’s cos Dave Rennie went yet despite seemingly having a magic injury shield, the bloke didn’t have a job for a year and needed his mate to give him one at a bottom half Championship side.

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, gerblod said:

It feels like no one has yet initiated an investigation into why so many injuries are happening. Someone mentioned that there's been a high turnover of recovery/therapy staff since BR took over. Given the previous high standard BR (Before Rodgers), could it be that staff are dissatisfied with his expectations of them and our players?

Comparisons with other clubs are the most accurate way to assess failings/successes in getting players back to health. However there are sometimes hidden and unexpected 'gremlins' at work. And, often, when key players are injured, the balance of a team is upset - a domino effect, if you will - due to unfamiliar patterns of play.

Such peripheral factors as the playing surface might have an influence. Both Harvey Barnes and JJ suffered the same injury on coming to a halt after running. 

I trust Rodgers will be taking an interest in why this is happening. As Matthew Sayed researched - it's small positive and negative incremental trends that often have momentous results. 

Rodgers mentioned just the other day that they had a sit down to discuss the injury list and if it was down to exhaustion, training, medical, bad luck &  how they could combat / better manage it etc etc

[Gazza M]

I see this as an opportunity to maybe see our long term FB options of Thomas LB and Justin RB. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

How many clubs have played the number of games that we have in the last couple of years? The teams that have are the teams best resourced for it and yet we’ve still seen Liverpool have problems, Man City have had spells like the start of last season, Spurs could hardly get a team together just before Covid in 2020. Everton and Leeds have had problems all season, Palace and Southampton, Sheffield United had huge problems last season. People called out the scousers for their solipsist crying about injuries last year, yet here we are thinking nobody else has issues.

 

Clearly there’s a problem cos we were near the top on days lost last year and we’ll be there again this year. Im sure there’s lots of factors all playing into it, including methods, which is why they’ve been reviewing that. Just funny on here how simplistic the matter is, it’s either:

 

The training methods cos other teams don’t have problems (they do and most haven’t had the workload we’ve had)

Or it’s cos Dave Rennie went yet despite seemingly having a magic injury shield, the bloke didn’t have a job for a year and needed his mate to give him one at a bottom half Championship side.

Don't know about other clubs, apart from the ones that want to postpone games, I don't really take notice. Nobody does aside from fans of that club. 

 

Someone replied to me indicating Castagne is not reoccuring, that's fine, but we have had a lot of hamstring injuries.. Ricardo, Vardy, Evans being the main ones.. there's got to be a reason. Training or players not warming/not being warmed up correctly.

 

I don't know. You're right there probably won't be a simplistic answer, but there won't be a simplistic for nearly everything that gets discussed on this forum. People talk about tactics as if they're Wenger our Mourinho but if everything in football was that simplistic then we'd all be managers. But people discuss because that's what the forum is for.

[Aus Fox]

It’s hard to compare us to other clubs at this stage, we are playing more games than most - going deep in cup competitions and playing in Europe.

The other big teams playing in Europe have deep squads with lots of youngsters recruited from around the world. Liverpool had a similar run of injuries to us last season and other big teams have had the same problem.

Man City are well out in front because they have the top quality players to rotate.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 hours ago, StanSP said:

 

 

They do?

Like I said though, not discounting training has anything to do with it  

Ours is significantly worse than anyone else and has been for a prolonged period of time.

[Dahnsouff]

13 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Don't know about other clubs, apart from the ones that want to postpone games, I don't really take notice. Nobody does aside from fans of that club. 

 

Someone replied to me indicating Castagne is not reoccuring, that's fine, but we have had a lot of hamstring injuries.. Ricardo, Vardy, Evans being the main ones.. there's got to be a reason. Training or players not warming/not being warmed up correctly.

 

I don't know. You're right there probably won't be a simplistic answer, but there won't be a simplistic for nearly everything that gets discussed on this forum. People talk about tactics as if they're Wenger our Mourinho but if everything in football was that simplistic then we'd all be managers. But people discuss because that's what the forum is for.

Au contraire, there are usually many many simple things to be found in each and every thread. 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

5 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

We have a 25 man squad like everyone else.

Sorta. Jakupovic and Benkovic didn't really count. Not Jakupovic's fault, life of a #3 GK, but I find it amazing Mendy played for us more than Benko this season, and he wasn't even a member of the squad!

 

Our big problem is our B list players. Right now, we have Luke Thomas and Fofana was bang on senior squad members. When you have a few of those younger guys in the squad, it can really make a difference. We'll find out, but I could possibly see Brunt and McAteer being fully promoted to give us depth for the second part of the season. Nelson, Alves, et. al. but be a bit too green right now.

 

 

[Ian Nacho]

It’s a continuous circle. Have loads of injuries and are forced to play players who are in the red zone which leads to more injuries. Rinse and repeat. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

6 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

We have a 25 man squad like everyone else.

Yes he doesn't like tall players

[Supergray22]

Get well soon Tim. 

[gerblod]

15 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Anyone confirm this? Damning if true.

It was posted on a page a little prior to my response. Finding previous content on here is like hacking through dense undergrowth, but it's a comprehensive overview with names named of changed personnel and at which level.

[gerblod]

14 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Rodgers mentioned just the other day that they had a sit down to discuss the injury list and if it was down to exhaustion, training, medical, bad luck &  how they could combat / better manage it etc etc

One character aspect of Rodgers is that he appears to be a calm bloke. Assuming that that's correct it will be an asset in keeping cohesion within the squad. 

The real problem is short-termism in football. I've criticised him, wrongly or rightly, over perceived shortcomings, but three years isn't nearly long enough to establish a structure based around an individual. Wenger and Ferguson managed to achieve that, but it's a model that's long out of fashion (if it ever was).

The club has had more than its fair share of ill-fortune with injuries and that has had an undeniable domino effect. 

Players need match participation to build & maintain fitness levels and the edge that comes with continued 'combat', but there's a point where too much leads to health issues. 

At least we know now that it's an issue taking his full attention. I think it's also been indicative that bringing in players and expecting them to hit the ground running is unrealistic. 

I suspect that postponing matches for Covid reasons has been a godsend for City - above all. But then comes the challenge of fixture backlog. Ay caramba !