Has Anyone Ever Had A Run-in With The Police?

[Tielemans63]

18 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

 

Googled the story. Seemed more like manslaughter than murder. Moment of madness as you said.

 

Bloke I knew loosely, not a bad lad or anything, got into a toxic relationship. Both did some drugs, things got out of hand one night on the gear, they attacked each other, she was killed. He got arrested for murder, the papers made out she was some sweet, blonde innocent and the pics of him were the grim ones etc. Didn't get to trial because he decided to hang himself on remand. No winners in that whatsoever, very sad.

Yeah, the case has drawn a fair bit of attention for exactly this reason, a lot of people feel the sentence was unduly harsh, I read the other day that the Oxford University law society were debating this case just last month.

 

The media spin is interesting isn't it? As in your mate's case, Ash has been called a 'monster' while his victim has always been presented as a loving family man. Interestingly, in the court case, it was proven that the victim had approached Ashley 3 or 4 times in an aggressive manner before the fatal blow and that he had insulted the girl Ashley was with at the time. Obviously, it doesn't then mean it's okay to break a bottle and shove into someone's neck but there are facts that don't get out there because it doesn't fit the narrative in the media.

 

I noticed that the victim was from Lancashire and when Ashley lost an appeal, the local paper up there described him as a 'cold-blooded killer' and the victim as 'hero dad'. I don't think it's as clear cut as that as you suggested in your post.

Edited 30 January 2021 by Paddy.

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38 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I only found out recently that you can request all info about you on the Police National Computer free of charge: https://www.acro.police.uk/Subject-access

You have to pay if you want a certificate - or for standard criminal record checks. That info might clarify your ancient record without any cost?

 

I'm awaiting a reply to my info request now, as I'm planning a trip to the USA in the next couple of years - and the US insists you have to apply for a visa if you have a criminal record (even includes arrests that haven't led to convictions).

I'm sure a lot of people with minor criminal records just roll up, lie about having no record and get into the US without any problem.....but it could be a costly risk to take if they do check the UK police computer.

 

Like you, my criminal career was all 30-40 years ago - and all booze-related. The oddity is that I was arrested drunk on 7 occasions, but was never charged or cautioned for drunkenness.

Night in cells to sleep it off 3 times, let off once, bound over for Breach of Peace once, conditional discharge for Criminal Damage once & police caution for Common Assault once........I was as "habitual a criminal" as Norman Stanley Fletcher! 

I could have disputed that Common Assault caution as the other bloke laid hands on me first, but I took the rap as, once I sobered up, I knew that it was my drunken idiocy that had caused the ridiculous fracas...

 

Anyone with a criminal record travelled to the USA with or without a visa? If so, how did you handle it and did it work out OK? 

 

 

I first went to America in 2005 and didn't have any problems getting a visa. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

2 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

Yeah, the case has drawn a fair bit of attention for exactly this reason, a lot of people feel the sentence was unduly harsh, I read the other day that the Oxford University law society were debating this case just last month.

 

The media spin is interesting isn't it? As in your mate's case, Ash has been called a 'monster' while his victim has always been presented as a loving family man. Interestingly, in the court case, it was proven that the victim had approached Ashley 3 or 4 times in an aggressive manner before the fatal blow and that he had insulted the girl Ashley was with at the time. Obviously, it doesn't then mean it's okay to break a bottle and shove into someone's neck but there are facts that don't get out there because it doesn't fit the narrative in the media.

 

I noticed that the victim was from Lancashire and when Ashley lost an appeal, they described him as a 'cold-blooded killer' and the victim as 'hero dad'. I don't think it's as clear cut as that as you suggested in your post.

Yep. How things get painted doesn't always represent the exact truth.

I walk away from the slight whiff of aggro, which is what Ash should've done, but everything is simple in hindsight.

There's plenty of debate online as to whether it was "murder" or not.

Obviously a person was killed so it's sad all round.

[Mike Oxlong]

Never realised that we had so many psychopaths on the forum 

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I only found out recently that you can request all info about you on the Police National Computer free of charge: https://www.acro.police.uk/Subject-access

You have to pay if you want a certificate - or for standard criminal record checks. That info might clarify your ancient record without any cost?

 

I'm awaiting a reply to my info request now, as I'm planning a trip to the USA in the next couple of years - and the US insists you have to apply for a visa if you have a criminal record (even includes arrests that haven't led to convictions).

I'm sure a lot of people with minor criminal records just roll up, lie about having no record and get into the US without any problem.....but it could be a costly risk to take if they do check the UK police computer.

 

Like you, my criminal career was all 30-40 years ago - and all booze-related. The oddity is that I was arrested drunk on 7 occasions, but was never charged or cautioned for drunkenness.

Night in cells to sleep it off 3 times, let off once, bound over for Breach of Peace once, conditional discharge for Criminal Damage once & police caution for Common Assault once........I was as "habitual a criminal" as Norman Stanley Fletcher! 

I could have disputed that Common Assault caution as the other bloke laid hands on me first, but I took the rap as, once I sobered up, I knew that it was my drunken idiocy that had caused the ridiculous fracas...

 

Anyone with a criminal record travelled to the USA with or without a visa? If so, how did you handle it and did it work out OK? 

 

 

They don't cross check the police national computer. 

 

I guess they just assume if you say you haven't had a criminal record, you havent got one. Same as the phony questions about communism and terrorism and smuggling fruit. 

 

Once you have your ESTA, you'll  be fine. 

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

20 hours ago, Wymsey said:

This March.

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I was travelling to work (NHS worker) at 06:00 and noticed that a policey car had been been following me for just over 5 minutes.

 

I decided to stop in a safe place and put the hazard lights on, got out of the car and asked them what's the problem?

 

They asked me why I was travelling in the city at such a time during the pandemic and asked me to sit in the police car; I told them that I was a key worker (showing them my work ID badge).

They were ok with that.

 

But, they also asked me why my car wasn't insured at the time (when they typed in my registration in their database).

 

I told them that I've been insured with the same insurance company for the past 10 years; they told me to state who my car insurance is with and said that the local police station would ring them later in the day to ask if I was telling the truth - then one of the police officers said that "today is your very lucky day, mate", and told me to continue the day as normal.

 

Then, in the afternoon, my car insurance provider profusely apologised to me - stating that it was their big error, in not putting my car registration as insured with them, via the DVLA etc, at the time and said that they should've done it when I purchased my current car (which was purchased a few months before this incident).

I had similar was insured on an app where you can do it for an hour or two hours, this unmarked car has come up to the side of me at the lights said pull up on the side, turns out its not on there system so I shown them the app with the insurance and time ticker and he said no worries get on your way before that the women copper asked me why my eyes were red wtf cheeky ****ers

[SystonFox]

3 hours ago, Paddy. said:

Yeah, the case has drawn a fair bit of attention for exactly this reason, a lot of people feel the sentence was unduly harsh, I read the other day that the Oxford University law society were debating this case just last month.

 

The media spin is interesting isn't it? As in your mate's case, Ash has been called a 'monster' while his victim has always been presented as a loving family man. Interestingly, in the court case, it was proven that the victim had approached Ashley 3 or 4 times in an aggressive manner before the fatal blow and that he had insulted the girl Ashley was with at the time. Obviously, it doesn't then mean it's okay to break a bottle and shove into someone's neck but there are facts that don't get out there because it doesn't fit the narrative in the media.

 

I noticed that the victim was from Lancashire and when Ashley lost an appeal, the local paper up there described him as a 'cold-blooded killer' and the victim as 'hero dad'. I don't think it's as clear cut as that as you suggested in your post.

The main fact here is that he jabbed a broken beer bottle in a fellas neck and killed him. Any other facts are largely irrelevant imho. He took a mans life. Whether you knew him growing up and he was the nicest chap going is immeterial. 
 

just my two penneth

[Tielemans63]

20 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

The main fact here is that he jabbed a broken beer bottle in a fellas neck and killed him. Any other facts are largely irrelevant imho. He took a mans life. Whether you knew him growing up and he was the nicest chap going is immeterial. 
 

just my two penneth

Of course it's immaterial.

 

I'm not defending what he did. Just reflecting on the fact that a moment of madness can destroy so many lives. I was also just remarking that when you see this stuff on TV it doesn't mean much but when you know someone it's really hard to get your hard round. I was also just discussing how it's made me approach conflict differently having learned from his mistake. I'm absolutely not excusing what he did.

Edited 30 January 2021 by Paddy.

[VLC86]

4 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Never realised that we had so many psychopaths on the forum 

You avoid the match day threads then?

[UpTheLeagueFox]

23 minutes ago, SystonFox said:

The main fact here is that he jabbed a broken beer bottle in a fellas neck and killed him. Any other facts are largely irrelevant imho. He took a mans life. Whether you knew him growing up and he was the nicest chap going is immeterial. 

 

6 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

Of course it's immaterial.

I'm not defending what he did. Just reflecting on the fact that a moment of madness can destroy so many lives. I was also just remarking that when you see this stuff on TV it doesn't mean much but when you know someone it's really hard to get your hard round. I was also just discussing how it's made me approach conflict differently having learned from his mistake. I'm absolutely not excusing what he did.

A human has died and it's utterly tragic - same goes for the guy I knew you got into a drug-fuelled argument with his girlfriend - but there's an argument that both were manslaughter instead of murder. Nobody is defending the act of killing another.

Conversely, someone I knew years ago was stabbed to death - the guy got done for manslaughter instead of murder which I thought was the wrong way around.

All tragic losses of life.

[SystonFox]

32 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

Of course it's immaterial.

 

I'm not defending what he did. Just reflecting on the fact that a moment of madness can destroy so many lives. I was also just remarking that when you see this stuff on TV it doesn't mean much but when you know someone it's really hard to get your hard round. I was also just discussing how it's made me approach conflict differently having learned from his mistake. I'm absolutely not excusing what he did.

Fair one!

[Dr The Singh]

Is this a joke thread.  Coming from an ethnic minority, and being brought up in the 80's, I could write a book.  Close thread

[StanSP]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

Is this a joke thread.  Coming from an ethnic minority, and being brought up in the 80's, I could write a book.  Close thread

How many police attend the Prince of Punjab on a regular basis...

[Dr The Singh]

2 hours ago, StanSP said:

How many police attend the Prince of Punjab on a regular basis...

We are the police In the prince

[Zear0]

Only once. Was driving down the A50 past Groby towards town on the carriageway. Police car was doing 30 in a national speed limit and I went by at the correct speed. Lights on and pulled over. 

 

He potters to my car and calls me the most stupid person he's seen for speeding past a marked police car. Pointed out I was doing the speed limit and he was driving tooo slowly. A predictable back and forth went on and he went back to his car to check the limit and my details. 

 

He then returns to my car window, flicks my license on the passenger floor and drives off without saying a word. Not the most exciting brush with the law (Ed Flanders...) but an amusing back and forth with an absolute arse of a copper. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

On 29/01/2021 at 20:53, Adster said:

Was 14, set a girls hair partially on fire. Mate gave me a rigged lighter without me knowing. Was aiming for her hood but went all the way through.....what a stupid twat I was.

 

And got expelled for a month with police bought in. A month at home playing Call Of Duty. 

 

SOMEHOW the girl fancied me and said if I wrote a letter of apology no charges would be pressed. 

 

2 weeks later I was on a date with her sat in Argents Mead drinking cheap blue WKD. Meeting her parents properly for the first time was.....fun 

 

 

What a state.

 

Are girls into that? Might have to try it

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Zear0 said:

Only once. Was driving down the A50 past Groby towards town on the carriageway. Police car was doing 30 in a national speed limit and I went by at the correct speed. Lights on and pulled over. 

 

He potters to my car and calls me the most stupid person he's seen for speeding past a marked police car. Pointed out I was doing the speed limit and he was driving tooo slowly. A predictable back and forth went on and he went back to his car to check the limit and my details. 

 

He then returns to my car window, flicks my license on the passenger floor and drives off without saying a word. Not the most exciting brush with the law (Ed Flanders...) but an amusing back and forth with an absolute arse of a copper. 

 

I remember jasper carrot talking about when he was doing some filming for the thin blue line tv comedy he did with Rowan Atkinson, amongst others. He mentioned that on one particular day he was having to drive a police car from one set to another ... he decided as a laugh to see how much he would slow down before someone would overtake him. He said he got down to 13mph before someone would dare to overtake him!

[Jimothy]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I remember jasper carrot talking about when he was doing some filming for the thin blue line tv comedy he did with Rowan Atkinson, amongst others. He mentioned that on one particular day he was having to drive a police car from one set to another ... he decided as a laugh to see how much he would slow down before someone would overtake him. He said he got down to 13mph before someone would dare to overtake him!

Sure it wasn't The Detectives? Don't remember him being in Thin Blue Line.

[foxfanazer]

9 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Never realised that we had so many psychopaths on the forum 

Have you never been in a match thread? Edit: Just seen @Costock_Fox post

Edited 30 January 2021 by foxfanazer

[tom27111]

Me and a mate used to do the police line ups in the mid to late 90's at Charles Street police station.

 

Ten pounds cash per appearance.

 

I'd have been mid to late teens.

 

We both had shaved heads at the time, could get about 3 calls a week!

 

If I remember correctly, they'd always ask too many people, then the perpetrator and his lawyer would choose who they wanted in the line up.

 

Still got the tenner even if they didn't want you.

 

I recall one occasion when the crim was identified, behind a 2 way mirror, and he ran up to the glass, screaming "I'LL GET YOU, YOU SLAG, SHOULD'VE FINISHED THE JOB WHEN I HAD THE CHANCE"

 

Didn't really help his case! 

Edited 30 January 2021 by tom27111

[Mike Oxlong]

12 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Me and a mate used to do the police line ups in the mid to late 90's at Charles Street police station.

 

Ten pounds cash per appearance.

 

I'd have been mid to late teens.

 

We both had shaved heads at the time, could get about 3 calls a week!

 

If I remember correctly, they'd always ask too many people, then the perpetrator and his lawyer would choose who they wanted in the line up.

 

Still got the tenner even if they didn't want you.

 

I recall one occasion when the crim was identified, behind a 2 way mirror, and he ran up to the glass, screaming "I'LL GET YOU, YOU SLAG, SHOULD'VE FINISHED THE JOB WHEN I HAD THE CHANCE"

 

Didn't really help his case! 

Did you see a lot of @UpTheLeagueFox ? 

 

 

[tom27111]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

Did you see a lot of @UpTheLeagueFox ? 

 

 

Geoff had a lovely head of hair in those days...

 

I'm sorry @UpTheLeagueFox 

 

[Mike Oxlong]

6 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Geoff had a lovely head of hair in those days...

 

I'm sorry @UpTheLeagueFox 

 

Syrup

 

Took it off when engaged in his one man crime spree 

 

Thought he was committing the perfect crimes 

[Mike Oxlong]

8 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Geoff had a lovely head of hair in those days...

 

I'm sorry @UpTheLeagueFox 

 

That earring  

 

[The whole world smiles]

14 hours ago, rico said:

Oliver D’Sa the solicitor was notorious for getting people put away for 1st offences 😂

I had an old white lawyer from Oliver D'sas represent me in the naughties.

 

Whilst my case was on going I was in the goose on hotel street in the middle of the day. The guy walked in, in his suit didn't notice me. Ordered a triple whiskey necked it and walked out back to work. 

 

It didn't instil me with a great deal of confidence in him 😂

Edited 30 January 2021 by The whole world smiles