Grebfromgrebland Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 It wouldn't be a good look with our main wingers going into the season being an unfit Barnes and unfit coutinio.
UHDrive Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 36 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....I think what we missed at the end was someone who could turn around and say "where do you think you're going, hold your position"....!!! As opposed to players looking at each other, hoping that someone will take the reins, and bring us back into line. A massive failure of leadership, that was our problem. Exactly. James Miller is a classic for that! Albeit he plays more defensive under Klopp, he still has that authoritative undertone. We need that in midfield preferably and it would have to be tielemans as he dictates play. Alas, he's far too quiet though. 1
UHDrive Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 I don't get some of the comparisons between Maddison and Coutinho. At Norwich madders played more centrally and make more attacking moves down the right and into the box. I genuinely don't think he's happy where hes playing what with being a right footer. That position (left) defines free kicks and dead ball corner kicks from a midfield player and aside from madders and tielemans there isn't anyone else. Well Thomas if he can sharpen up. The only way I can see Coutinho coming in is if he is given free will to roam from side to side in front of midfield and attack when necessary using his wingers and strikers. I would place Maddison in the space where Demarai Gray used to operate but further inside to allow the wingers past when required and for him to show his playmaking skills. I can see our team (on paper at least) matching how Liverpool often play with emphasis on the speed and power out wide and the skill on the inside. 1
murphy Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....I think what we missed at the end was someone who could turn around and say "where do you think you're going, hold your position"....!!! As opposed to players looking at each other, hoping that someone will take the reins, and bring us back into line. A massive failure of leadership, that was our problem. Well that's fair enough, we certainly missed JE, but I think we're going off on a tangent from the original comparison previously made between signing ageing superstars, ie Cambiasso and Couthino. If Cambiasso's leadership is something we lack, that's a fair point, but it is hardly an argument in favour of signing Coutinho because he is not that sort of player.
UHDrive Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 1 hour ago, An Sionnach said: That is down to Rodgers surely but you have a point , Kasper can't dictate play from his position. There is a strong case for making Youri match captain . Kasper could remain club captain now Wes has retired. I've often wondered about this but it wouldn't make sense because tielemans is not the authoritarian type. Given Kaspers been deputising for Morgan last season and he's in his 10th year at Leicester then I doubt he'd be happy with that. The only authoritarian player I seen in midfield last year ironically was Dennis Praet. He was making an effort on field to point to channels or players being free but it never worked. Our defence either tactically or not passed the balls down the sides usually always. Sometimes you could see Praet asking for the ball but as was usually the case our defence rarely seemed to have the confidence to thread direct passes into the forward midfield area. 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 11 minutes ago, murphy said: Well that's fair enough, we certainly missed JE, but I think we're going off on a tangent from the original comparison previously made between signing ageing superstars, ie Cambiasso and Couthino. If Cambiasso's leadership is something we lack, that's a fair point, but it is hardly an argument in favour of signing Coutinho because he is not that sort of player. ....my post was regarding your previous post regarding the way we finished last season!!! I am not advocating getting Coutinho to come here, I believe that it would be sheer folly to do so.
splinterdream Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 3 hours ago, indierich06 said: There's a lot of comments about how 'in form' or 'fully fit' he could be great for us - and there's no arguing with that. But it seems he's neither of those things, and it'd be a huge gamble to bring him in on big money, potentially upsetting the harmony at the club, to see if Rodgers can get him back to the level he used to be able perform at when he's been struggling for more than a couple of seasons now. I just think this flies in the face of the recruitment strategy that has served us so well and so effectively over the last few seasons. We buy quality players who are on their way up, who aren't yet on the radar of huge clubs, then sell on for a profit. Not ageing, injury-prone/out of form 'superstars' who put a huge dent in our wage bill. Why would it upset the harmony of the club? I believe it been said that Coutinhio only comes in if a deal cam be struck that doesn't break the wage structure, and other players on less are going to know it's coutinhio, ayoze perez isn't going to demand a new contract, and it's signings like that that boost the rep of the club, and keeps players like youri signing extensions I would imagine.
murphy Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 46 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....my post was regarding your previous post regarding the way we finished last season!!! I am not advocating getting Coutinho to come here, I believe that it would be sheer folly to do so. Well... I said that I don't like the idea of ageing superstarss really and somebody cited Cambiasso and so I said we're a different team now, would we take Cambiasso now? Then somebody else said we could have done with Cambiasso against Chelsea and Spurs, to which i replied that we were really missing our injured forward line and then you came in and made a point about Cambiasso's leadership skills and then my auntie's hairdresser knew a bloke who plays dominos with another bloke who said Coutinho isn't that kind of player anyway so the comparison is moot. In other words, I wasn't really replying to you, but I had to quote your post to show that we were digressing from the original point, if that makes sense? Anyway, I agree with you that Coutinho to Leicester is probably a bad idea.
Deebhoy Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 Negotiations have started (apparently) in a swap deal with an AC Milan player (Romagnoli). Given his massive wages I suspect this one to rumble on.
Nick Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 He’s a player that’s never really needed pace. He could come here with the structural integrity of a french bread stick and still play the first half as an attacking midfielder in PL games and see us to another trophy. If we could work out a way to do it, I’d be just fine with the decision. Won’t happen but just sayin: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PchxHYaNXJw 2
sylofox Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 8 hours ago, Heymister2015 said: Have we got a sell on clause for demarai 😂 Yeah we get a first class stamp. 1
STUHILL Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 (edited) Coutinho is 10 games away from activating a clause which would see the La Liga club pay Liverpool an extra £17.1m Edited 19 July 2021 by STUHILL
chuck'em Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 1 minute ago, STUHILL said: Coutinho is 10 games away from activating a clause which would see the La Liga club pay Liverpool an extra £17.1m Least we will know for sure in under 10 days! They will be desperate to shift him to avoid that lump sum Games, not days 1
thegaffa Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 2 hours ago, moore_94 said: Hope it’s us in for Moriba, he’s a very good player already but has massive potential 1
Pliskin Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 2 hours ago, moore_94 said: Brendan is working his magic.
STUHILL Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 So he earns £383,000 a week. To avoid paying the additional £17.1 million to Liverpool plus £383k a week, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable wage contribution to a loan move. I imagine our budget would be around £150k max. That's quite a way from the £383k, but desperate times for Barce indeed, so who knows!
sacreblueits442 Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 10 minutes ago, STUHILL said: So he earns £383,000 a week. To avoid paying the additional £17.1 million to Liverpool plus £383k a week, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable wage contribution to a loan move. I imagine our budget would be around £150k max. That's quite a way from the £383k, but desperate times for Barce indeed, so who knows! ....it just seems like we are paying rent when we could be paying a mortgage at less than half the price.....!!!
STUHILL Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....it just seems like we are paying rent when we could be paying a mortgage at less than half the price.....!!! True, but we rented Tielemans, albeit for a lower price no doubt but that turned out OK Not saying I am massively in favour of this, but I am curious what Barcelona will do with him
Solihullfox Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....it just seems like we are paying rent when we could be paying a mortgage at less than half the price.....!!! What if we are only going for a 1 year loan to tide us over until we can buy the target we want, that target not being available until next summer 🤔😉 1
Gerard Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 19 minutes ago, STUHILL said: So he earns £383,000 a week. To avoid paying the additional £17.1 million to Liverpool plus £383k a week, I wonder what they would consider an acceptable wage contribution to a loan move. I imagine our budget would be around £150k max. That's quite a way from the £383k, but desperate times for Barce indeed, so who knows! Bottom line is they can get 9 more games out of him and then he's finished there on £383k a week. It's the epitome of a buyer's market, they will be forced to accept the best offer soon enough even if that's us with a year's loan and 50% wage contribution. If they could let him go for free with no severance pay they would do it in a heartbeat.
STUHILL Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 (edited) Totally hypothetical of course but a £150k a week contribution is what, £4million 7.5million for the season? Realistically, it is a player we would never usually be able to get and it's only because of Barcelona's finances and this £17m owed to Liverpool if he stays, that this is even being rumoured a possibility (and the Rodger's connection of course) Edited 19 July 2021 by STUHILL
Gerard Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 Just now, STUHILL said: Totally hypothetical of course but a £150k a week contribution is what, £4million for the season? If and of course that is a big IF, we get a healthy Coutinho, that could be £4million very well spent indeed. Realistically, it is a player we would never usually be able to get and it's only because of Barcelona's finances and this £17m owed to Liverpool if he stays, that this is even being rumoured a possibility (and the Rodger's connection of course) £7.5m for the season. 1
vanity Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 5 hours ago, Adam_LCFC said: Without Jonny Evans our team lacks so much defensive discipline. Precisely. The problem I saw when Evans went out was there was confusion between Soyuncu and Fofana. Evans commanded respect, but neither Soyuncu or Fofana can command such respect, either from teammates or, more importantly I think, between one another. Consequently, we have nobody in the middle directing traffic. Soyuncu is 25, Fofana 20. There is no way Soy is taking direction from Fofana. Soyuncu was on the PFL Team of the Season or whatever it was called. He was rumored to be of interest to some elite sides. Then he got hurt, came back, and Fofana was the hot thing, with Soyuncu a bit on the outside looking in. I cannot speak to Sotuncu's personality, but he doesn't seem the sort to take kindly to some kid ordering him around out there. It did seem to be getting a bit sorted before Fofana got hurt against Spurs, they seemed to be figuring things out a bit, but right now, the clutch move would be to get a vocal, veteran CB to rotate with Evans, someone who could command a bit of respect from both of them. Maybe their partnership just needs more time, if we do the back 4 again, they will have an opportunity to develop that. Wouldn't mind seeing Evans backing up/rotating in that situation. 1 1
STUHILL Posted 19 July 2021 Posted 19 July 2021 1 minute ago, Gerard said: £7.5m for the season. Pricey then, because whereas Tielemans was always an option to buy and less wages, Coutinho is not going to sign for a club that have our wage structure, so it really would be a 1 year loan and done.
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