st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 13 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Fvckin hell .. that was one almighty blast ! God knows how many people perished from that. Looks like an ammo dump or a fuel depot …..
MPH Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 30 minutes ago, Line-X said: The fact that such a slow moving vulnerable target hasn't yet come under assault from the air is puzzling. The final point is very indicative of the siege to come. its very clear that most Ukrainian defensive abilities are based in and around the main cities…. The further they venture out from them, the more vulnerable they leave themselves to retaliation… I reckon they are waiting till it gets closer to Kyiv at which time they’ll attack then fall back to cover.
SpacedX Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 minute ago, MPH said: its very clear that most Ukrainian defensive abilities are based in and around the main cities…. The further they venture out from them, the more vulnerable they leave themselves to retaliation… I reckon they are waiting till it gets closer to Kyiv at which time they’ll attack then fall back to cover. I am inclined to agree, but the consequences of laying siege to the city are dire....albeit inevitable now. Since Russia have not managed to assert air superiority, I'm surprised that the convoy has not come under attack from the Ukrainian AF. As @Countryfoxmentioned, this may mean that is not sufficiently strong enough or even that it has been incapacitated. We simply don't know what the strategy is. 1
Zear0 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Regarding attacking the convoy, I suspect they've got bundles of intelligence from US and NATO regarding risk reward of undertaking an attack. Whilst it looks terrifying, most of them could be full of loo roll, tins of beans and blankets. Stuff which is very replaceable so it might not be worth attacking and risking what's left of their air force. Best move might be destruction of their roads to slow all this down which might be one of the contributing causes for the turtle pace of said convoy. 1
Stivo Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Moldova is next…. Sorry it’s the mail… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10565523/Ukraine-war-Belarus-dictator-stands-battle-map-live-TV.html
I am Rod Hull Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said: Demonstrate your intelligence by enlightening us all on what's wrong about that story, then. I was replying to the post that said misinformation is likely to come from both sides. You have obviously demonstrated your intelligence by not understanding what I wrote.
Lionator Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 hour ago, I am Rod Hull said: Some people are too stupid to realise this, it`s embarrassing.... The idea that everything that comes out of Russia is lies and everything that comes out of Ukraine is the truth is daft. Everyone is spinning everything. Forced westernisation of Ukraine is daft, you only have to look at the videos of Ukranians attacking Africans who are trying to flee. Putin is obviously is evil, but there's no need to overexaggerate in the other direction. 1
whoareyaaa Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 57 minutes ago, Beechey said: That is hellish crazy they are bombing from ahead then this is probably nothing to what they could actually unleash, America need to use whatever they have got to take him down, like previous leaders albeit a much harder task. 1
LiberalFox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 22 minutes ago, Lionator said: The idea that everything that comes out of Russia is lies and everything that comes out of Ukraine is the truth is daft. Everyone is spinning everything. Forced westernisation of Ukraine is daft, you only have to look at the videos of Ukranians attacking Africans who are trying to flee. Putin is obviously is evil, but there's no need to overexaggerate in the other direction. I don't agree with that at all and you are just repeating the kind of tactics Putin uses to try to obfuscate his actions. "Everyone is spinning everything". I don't know what you mean by "forced westernisation". 1
Lionator Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 3 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: I don't agree with that at all and you are just repeating the kind of tactics Putin uses to try to obfuscate his actions. "Everyone is spinning everything". I don't know what you mean by "forced westernisation". There's this idea that Ukraine is this emerging liberal beacon in eastern europe, which is simply not true, it's as close to a failed state as you'll get in europe. Each post soviet Ukranian president including the current one is head to toe in corruption (do a bit of background reading) and pushing Ukraine towards NATO is insane. Most importantly, there's this view that 'Western Democratic Capitalistic values' are the only way to be a civilised fair society, when covid has shown us that there are major flaws with this. Russia isn't really that different to the model (excluding the democratic bit), say compared to China which is genuinely completely different. 1
Popular Post LiberalFox Posted 1 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 1 March 2022 2 minutes ago, Lionator said: There's this idea that Ukraine is this emerging liberal beacon in eastern europe, which is simply not true, it's as close to a failed state as you'll get in europe. Each post soviet Ukranian president including the current one is head to toe in corruption (do a bit of background reading) and pushing Ukraine towards NATO is insane. Most importantly, there's this view that 'Western Democratic Capitalistic values' are the only way to be a civilised fair society, when covid has shown us that there are major flaws with this. Russia isn't really that different to the model (excluding the democratic bit), say compared to China which is genuinely completely different. If that's your take then fair enough. I think you are completely wrong. Everything coming out of Ukraine in recent years points to a desire to move towards a more European model. I have no idea what you are getting at with the covid remarks. Nobody has been pushing Ukraine towards NATO, Ukraine has been trying to join to protect itself from Russia. They seem to be putting up quite a good fight for a "failed state". 7
Raj Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 This'll be a stupid question no doubt but why dont Ukraine just bomb the feck out of the alleged 40 mile long Russian tank brigade coming into the city? I dont get it?
Countryfox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Just now, Raj said: This'll be a stupid question no doubt but why dont Ukraine just bomb the feck out of the alleged 40 mile long Russian tank brigade coming into the city? I dont get it? Start at the top of the page and go backwards Raj .. it’s all there .. and worth it just to see Line-X’s little pic ..
Guest Lako42 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Raj said: This'll be a stupid question no doubt but why dont Ukraine just bomb the feck out of the alleged 40 mile long Russian tank brigade coming into the city? I dont get it? Read any of the thread? It's not a computer game ffs
Raj Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 2 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Start at the top of the page and go backwards Raj .. it’s all there .. and worth it just to see Line-X’s little pic .. Ah yes, thanks mate, How their plan pays out then. I'd have nujed them to bits, good job I'm not the General!
Popular Post Raj Posted 1 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 1 March 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lako42 said: Read any of the thread? It's not a computer game ffs Alright, chill out ffs, I'm not reading 10 pages!!! Especially silly with Vlsdimir Lionator giving us the RT version of events!!! Edited 1 March 2022 by Raj 2 3
CosbehFox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Mariupol looks like it’s gone tonight. A big part of the original reasoning why Russia wanted this. Seeing Kharkiv get shelled like that is sickening and sows the seeds of anti Russian sentiment for a generation in Ukraine’s largest pro Russian city
LiberalFox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 As I understand it Ukraine has a small quantity of Mig 29s, a few Su-25s and a small quantity of TB2 UCAVs (combat drones). It's unknown how many are still operational, given the tiny size of the Ukraine airforce it's a surprise that they weren't all destroyed on the first night but Ukraine appears to have been successfully carrying out attacks with the TB2s and is believed to still have some Mig 29s. But the short answer is Ukraine doesn't have that strong an airforce to be attacking the Russian supply column which is presumably protected by a bunch of SAM systems aside from Russian planes intercepting.
Guest Lako42 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 4 minutes ago, Raj said: Alright, chill out ffs, I'm not reading 10 pages!!! Especially silly with Vlsdimir Lionator giving us the RT version of events!!! Apologies but it's getting tiresome everybody questioning this. Some speak like they know better than the Ukrainian forces who are actually there.
Countryfox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Raj said: Ah yes, thanks mate, How their plan pays out then. I'd have nujed them to bits, good job I'm not the General! Is that something you do in Evingtonshire mate …. sounds nasty .. 1
Raj Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 7 minutes ago, Lako42 said: Apologies but it's getting tiresome everybody questioning this. Some speak like they know better than the Ukrainian forces who are actually there. Yeah no worries mate, for most though it is a question wirth asking unless you know about things like this. But your right, obviously (And hopefully( the Ukranians know what they are doing.
ALC Fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 More reports of poor morale, not enough food and conscripted soldiers not receiving enough training among the Russian troops. Surely it's only a matter of time before Putin replaces some of these guys with more seasoned vets, or, more likely, we start to see more indiscriminate attacks and therefore a significant increase in the number cluster bombs and vacuum bombs being used.
ClaphamFox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 50 minutes ago, LiberalFox said: If that's your take then fair enough. I think you are completely wrong. Everything coming out of Ukraine in recent years points to a desire to move towards a more European model. I have no idea what you are getting at with the covid remarks. Nobody has been pushing Ukraine towards NATO, Ukraine has been trying to join to protect itself from Russia. They seem to be putting up quite a good fight for a "failed state". Lionator earlier argued that Ukraine could simply be absorbed back into Russia and life would carry on more or less as before. His ‘Ukraine is a failed state and Russia is not that much different from the west’ take above is equally bizarre.
st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 hour ago, Lionator said: The idea that everything that comes out of Russia is lies and everything that comes out of Ukraine is the truth is daft. Everyone is spinning everything. Forced westernisation of Ukraine is daft, you only have to look at the videos of Ukranians attacking Africans who are trying to flee. Putin is obviously is evil, but there's no need to overexaggerate in the other direction. To an extent you are undoubtedly correct - but you seem to have headed too far in the opposite direction! 1
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