PAULCFC Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Exactly...the phrase Give an inch,take a mile come's to mind with Putin.......just hope we get somthing sorted before he think's he's got nothing to lose....unless he has allready.
st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 From the bbc Some clarity on that massive Russian armoured column heading south towards Kyiv. Close analysis of the latest satellite images by McKenzie Intelligence Services reveals the following: The convoy is not 40 miles long, it’s a series of logistical ‘packets’ strung out along a major highway from the Belarus border, aiming to link up with Russian units on the northern outskirts of Kyiv. The convoy appears to be hampered in several places by broken down vehicles. The column consists of some armour (tanks) and infantry fighting vehicles but mainly logistical vehicles, implying plans for more than just a brief battle.
Saxondale Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 hour ago, MustardTiger said: Not ready to go in active service they don't. Doesn’t matter. You only need less than 1% of that number to effectively destroy the world.
enmac Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 8 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: Have Ukraine got no planes or helicopters? surely you would be carpet bombing that Russian convoy Can't have. Meaning that they don't have enough of either. I'm beginning to accept that it might be best, in terms of death and annihilation, if Ukraine surrended or at least came to a deal. Painful as that would be. The only slim chance otherwise is for the Russian troops to rebel. Is that likely? No.
Popular Post Lionator Posted 1 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 1 March 2022 1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said: Please be aware that misinformation is likely to come from BOTH sides. 5 1
Lionator Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 48 minutes ago, st albans fox said: What is the position if Russian attacks endanger British citizens in ukraine? Etc etc aren’t the British authorities allowed to act to protect their nationals? After all, the Russians are apparently in ukraine to protect Russians …… the point I’m making is that ukraine is not Russia. Surely an attack on a Russian soldier or Russian military equipment in Russia is a provocation that Russia are entitled to respond to in whatever way they see fit. But a Russian soldier in a foreign country who is there without the authority of the elected recognised government can surely have no right to protection against attack by anyone who has been invited by the govt of that country ?? i’m still of the opinion that there will be NATO-Russian military exchanges within Ukraine’s borders and the longer these take to occur, the less effective it will be for ukraine ….. by the time we let putin know he has reached a red line, he will be in a v strong negotiating position. We told British citizens to get out two weeks ago and that we couldn’t help them if they stayed. 1
goody2028 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 4 minutes ago, Lionator said: Please be aware that misinformation is likely to come from BOTH sides. Don’t think smoke fresh from a bomb would be classed as misinformation though?
Carl the Llama Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Lionator said: Please be aware that misinformation is likely to come from BOTH sides. Which bit is misinformation? There seem to be a few independent sources confirming the story re missiles striking Kiev Tower and Babyn Yar. 2
st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Lionator said: Please be aware that misinformation is likely to come from BOTH sides. 23 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Which bit is misinformation? There seem to be a few independent sources confirming the story re missiles striking Kiev Tower and Babyn Yar. Including a tweet from zelensky (in a post above) ‘Ukraine's president has aired his frustration on Twitter over the missile strike on the Babyn Yar Holocaust Memorial Centre in Kyiv. It is built on Europe's largest mass grave of the Holocaust, where Nazi death squads killed more than 33,000 Jewish people in the space of just two days in 1941’ Edited 1 March 2022 by st albans fox
st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 7 minutes ago, Lionator said: We told British citizens to get out two weeks ago and that we couldn’t help them if they stayed. that’s true but it doesn’t mean that we couldn’t if the will was there ….. we didn’t expect that those who didn’t leave might be subject to indiscriminate shelling …..
yorkie1999 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 I'm surprised that no-one has actually attacked this convoy, do Ukraine have missiles?
String fellow Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Despite all the sanctions and all the words of condemnation, Putin only understands one thing, that might is right. He's got the military might as well as geography and an utter lack of moral scruples on his side, so there will only be one 'winner', Everything else trying to stop him will just be regarded in the Kremlin as background noise. Personally, I've been close to tears over the last fews days watching the horror of it all unfold, especially as it's all completely unnecessary. 1
Fazzer 7 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I'm surprised that no-one has actually attacked this convoy, do Ukraine have missiles? That has surprised me. Can it be assumed they don’t have the munitions or aircraft to inflict any meaningful damage?!
st albans fox Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 11 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I'm surprised that no-one has actually attacked this convoy, do Ukraine have missiles? 1 minute ago, Fazzer 7 said: That has surprised me. Can it be assumed they don’t have the munitions or aircraft to inflict any meaningful damage?! recent reports say that there are issues with the convoy which is made up of many smaller convoys - it speaks about break downs which have slowed it massively perhaps attacks on the convoy have hindered its progress by blocking the road where it is struck ??
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 It would be interesting to know how much just in resources (fuel/munitions etc) this has cost the Russian taxpayer so far. Not even taking into account the severe damage to the value of the rouble, seized assets and ceased trading
ian__marshall Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I'm surprised that no-one has actually attacked this convoy, do Ukraine have missiles? Is a bit surprising given it's apparently logistical equipment. Even without missiles or bombs I'm surprised it's not been ambushed by insurgents. From the satellite images the formation effectively means its a sitting duck. Where's all the hardware that's been donated from the western nations? I thought there was supposed to be anti tank rocket launchers and drones on the way. With all these ex-pats reportedly returning from Europe surely there's enough now who are armed sufficiently to mount an attack from Western Ukraine? 1
Guest Lako42 Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 Let's not start pretending we know what it's like on the ground and that they should have the means to launch an attack against that convoy. The Ukrainian forces are mostly in fixed defensive positions and they are in the most critical areas. I highly doubt that they have the people, equipment, or the luxury of risking mobile attacks in forward positions. It's very much defensive tactics for them
Spiritwalker Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 15 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said: It would be interesting to know how much just in resources (fuel/munitions etc) this has cost the Russian taxpayer so far. Not even taking into account the severe damage to the value of the rouble, seized assets and ceased trading War is a costly business, I’ve read (not sure if true) that this invasion is costing $15 billion a day. 1
Dahnsouff Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 1 minute ago, Spiritwalker said: War is a costly business, I’ve read (not sure if true) that this invasion is costing $15 billion a day. Halliburton will be licking their lips 1
Carl the Llama Posted 1 March 2022 Posted 1 March 2022 12 minutes ago, ian__marshall said: Is a bit surprising given it's apparently logistical equipment. Even without missiles or bombs I'm surprised it's not been ambushed by insurgents. From the satellite images the formation effectively means its a sitting duck. Where's all the hardware that's been donated from the western nations? I thought there was supposed to be anti tank rocket launchers and drones on the way. With all these ex-pats reportedly returning from Europe surely there's enough now who are armed sufficiently to mount an attack from Western Ukraine? I've seen various theories but the most sensible to me seems a combination of not wanting to sacrifice valuable aerial resources to the AA support in the column; not wanting to engage on relatively open ground, preferring to ambush the ground units piecemeal as they enter enclosed urban territory; letting the convoy exhaust its supplies and demoralise its troops further as it crawls towards Kyiv (don't interrupt you're enemy when they're making a mistake).
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