simFox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 4 hours ago, Countryfox said: How many times is someone going to say ‘why don’t they bomb the convoy’ …. Jeeeeeesuss !!!!! This is very strange and I can't quite get my head around it. No one since napoleon has advanced in column, especially with heavy armour, so why have they done it? Putin isn't stupid. Heavy casualties could legitimise a strong retaliation. So just hitting thy front and rear and paralysing it is all the need to do. But putin does appear to have presented a target for some reason.
simFox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 If anyone is interested in the background to all of this, they might find this interesting.
whoareyaaa Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, casablancas said: 80 vehicles apparently and for the lols is that from this current war? if so looks like they have got hold of some next level drones, destroying the ****ers... someone secretly stepped up Edited 2 March 2022 by whoareyaaa
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 I’m afraid it’s looking clear what Putin is doing in Ukraine. It’s a constant grinding down of the Ukrainians, forcing many of them to flee and and piling pressure on those who stay. Putin doesn’t care. The targets are primarily civilians and civilian buildings. There are some parallels to ‘blitskreek’, employed by the Nazis in WW2… just basically demolish whatever’s in your path. This will work in the end The question is what do we do? What do the Americans do? If we do nothing on a military level, then don’t forget that Ukraine is 2 hours away from the UK Putin won’t stop at Ukraine.
SpacedX Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 6 minutes ago, Col city fan said: There are some parallels to ‘blitskreek’, employed by the Nazis in WW2… just basically demolish whatever’s in your path. I think you mean 'Blitzkrieg' Col. 1 1
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 10 minutes ago, Line-X said: I think you mean 'Blitzkrieg' Col. Cheers fella 👍
SpacedX Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 The Battle of Kiev in 1941 was a Wehrmacht offensive as part of Operation Barbarossa that resulted in virtually all the Southwest front of the Red Army being wiped out and is regarded as the biggest encirclement in military history. The city was liberated two years later in the second battle for Kiev. Once the encirclement is complete the heavy artillery bombardment will commence which is going to be horrific. I would imagine control of the Dnieper and the cities along it will also be key for the Russian army, cutting off supply lines from the west to the eastern provinces. 1
ClaphamFox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I’m afraid it’s looking clear what Putin is doing in Ukraine. It’s a constant grinding down of the Ukrainians, forcing many of them to flee and and piling pressure on those who stay. Putin doesn’t care. The targets are primarily civilians and civilian buildings. There are some parallels to ‘blitskreek’, employed by the Nazis in WW2… just basically demolish whatever’s in your path. This will work in the end The question is what do we do? What do the Americans do? If we do nothing on a military level, then don’t forget that Ukraine is 2 hours away from the UK Putin won’t stop at Ukraine. It’s incredibly frustrating. Russia is engaged in a horrendous and unjustifiable war on a democratic nation, yet all we can do is watch the horror unfold. Russia’s status as a powerful nuclear-armed nation has effectively given it a free pass to invade another country without incurring a military response from other countries. It shouldn’t be happening, but it is. Whether Putin calculates that he could do the same to a NATO nation is another matter. If he genuinely believes he can take back the former Soviet nations, sooner or later NATO will have to fight Russia directly - the threat of a possible nuclear escalation will be outweighed by the absolute necessity of stopping Russia in its tracks. NATO has obviously decided that Ukraine isn’t that moment, but it will come if Putin doesn’t stop there.
Strokes Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 6 hours ago, MPH said: im not trying to be a boblet but have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday? YES! Every bloody week!
SecretPro Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 34 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: is that from this current war? if so looks like they have got hold of some next level drones, destroying the ****ers... someone secretly stepped up Turkish drones apparently. Well done Turkey! 👏 1
st albans fox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 The absence of the Russian Air Force makes me wonder if putin’s generals are keeping them back in case they’re needed in the future for a more difficult task having many jets destroyed with a sanctions background where many components for new build aircraft could be tricky to get hold of may not be the best move. similarly, is he also keeping his best soldiers and ground weapons safe at home ?? 1
Popular Post Guesty Posted 2 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 2 March 2022 (edited) People shouldn't underestimate how much more Putin has to do to 'win' this. This convoy that's heading to Kyiv (which isn't 40 miles long apparently) keeps breaking down/stopping. If it does arrive, then it has to engage in urban warfare. Military experts say to succeed, the attackers need to outnumber the defenders at least 5 to 1. There are approx 1 million people defending Kyiv. Russia's army apparently is 150,000 at most. It took the US and allies 9 months to win the Battle of Mosul. That was with total air superiority; total weapons superiority, a city that had much weaker defences and the US outnumbered the defenders roughly 100,000 to 10,000. It took 9 months! In that time Russians are going to realise that they are invaders and they aren't 'saving' the Ukrainian people; their country is now a bigger version of North Korea. They have no future prospects and it's all cause they've invaded and killed people who they see as similar to themselves - and the reasons were all lies. Propaganda can only last so long in a situation like this. After the dissolution of the USSR, they had hope things could get better. Now they've gone back to what they were before (if not worse) - and they're the bad guys. The soldiers are realising they've been sold a lie (some apparently refusing to attack, or sabotaging their fuel tanks), they aren't even going to get paid. They've never fought a battle like this. They were always the big bullies going into places like Chechnya, Georgia or Crimea. And soon mothers are going to start seeing coffins coming home - apparently 6000 dead already. Hopefully the Russian people rise up when they start to realise the propaganda they're being fed is a pack of lies. Edited 2 March 2022 by Guesty 14
RowlattsFox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 It's probably naive on my part but I don't understand the theory that the Russians have been duped into going to war. Maybe in North Korea, but Russia? I know there is propaganda but surely they have access to enough other sources to follow. My fear is ordinary Russians will begin thinking it's the world against us, and forget why it all started in the first place. My heart breaks every time I think of the children involved, having two young children I couldn't imagine having to look after them in a ****ing underground station.
Dahnsouff Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 12 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: It's probably naive on my part but I don't understand the theory that the Russians have been duped into going to war. Maybe in North Korea, but Russia? I know there is propaganda but surely they have access to enough other sources to follow. My fear is ordinary Russians will begin thinking it's the world against us, and forget why it all started in the first place. My heart breaks every time I think of the children involved, having two young children I couldn't imagine having to look after them in a ****ing underground station. The younger Russians who are familiar with the internet and how to access a broader range of news, then sure, but for those less familiar or aware of such opportunities, then you believe what you have been shown, because you have always seen it as thus. When I was a kid there were 3 TV channels only (Expecting to trumped by other old farts) and what you saw was all that was available, and you therefore consumed it with an inherent level of trust 4
Fazzer 7 Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 What an embarrassing gaff. https://twitter.com/BurnsideNotTosh/status/1498904621594693634?s=20&t=8g29jvQPx2Ada5k9Zx5E8A
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 2 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 2 March 2022 21 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: It's probably naive on my part but I don't understand the theory that the Russians have been duped into going to war. Maybe in North Korea, but Russia? I know there is propaganda but surely they have access to enough other sources to follow. My fear is ordinary Russians will begin thinking it's the world against us, and forget why it all started in the first place. My heart breaks every time I think of the children involved, having two young children I couldn't imagine having to look after them in a ****ing underground station. People believe what their media tells them, by and large. How many lies are told in the average election campaign? How many lies were told in the Brexit campaign? How many lies has Donald Trump really blatantly told but he's still got legions of fanatical supporters? Sure, there's plenty of cynical Russians that don't actually trust their state rhetoric but there's also plenty more that are stirred up by the patriotic rabble rousing and believe the party line that the rest of the world hates Russia and is lying about Russia. Plenty of Chinese citizens leave China to travel, study, etc, where they suddenly get access to all the information that they were denied using censored internet in their own country and absolutely stacks of them just see it all as lies and anti-China propaganda. You can show them articles about Tiananmen, Hong Kong, et all and they'll just repeat the CCP line back to you about how it's all fake and lies to bring down China. Jesus, all I've got to do is tie Brexit in to one of these posts and a bunch of Leavers will STILL jump in here getting upset that I compared Farage & Boris lying to Putin, or telling me that both sides lied, that Brexit would have worked if it wasn't for COVID or whatever other bollocks because they're still brainwashed. Never underestimate the power of a good propaganda machine. 10
casablancas Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: is that from this current war? if so looks like they have got hold of some next level drones, destroying the ****ers... someone secretly stepped up Apparently yes. Been off with covid so following it all like mad since it started. Seems pretty consistent but I’m all honesty who knows. 1
when_you're_smiling Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 25 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: It's probably naive on my part but I don't understand the theory that the Russians have been duped into going to war. Maybe in North Korea, but Russia? I know there is propaganda but surely they have access to enough other sources to follow. My fear is ordinary Russians will begin thinking it's the world against us, and forget why it all started in the first place. My heart breaks every time I think of the children involved, having two young children I couldn't imagine having to look after them in a ****ing underground station. The state media are still telling the Russian people it’s basically only in the east of the country and they’re liberating those people that speak Russian there. That’s the premise of it. You’ll even now still find very little on the scenes in Kiyv/Kharkov on their news channels. That’s also why Russia is in the process of restricting Twitter and Facebook etc. 2
The Fox Covert Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 8 hours ago, MPH said: im not trying to be a boblet but have you ever heard of Bloody Sunday? Course I have. I know a few ex-servicemen and none of them liked being sent to Northern Ireland and the prospect of fighting people who speak the same-ish language and have a partly shared culture. The Troubles were beyond bad but they were nothing like what went on a generation previous. Read about the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. 1
st albans fox Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 27 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: What an embarrassing gaff. https://twitter.com/BurnsideNotTosh/status/1498904621594693634?s=20&t=8g29jvQPx2Ada5k9Zx5E8A Together with abbot’s Croatia !! 1
Guest Lako42 Posted 2 March 2022 Posted 2 March 2022 12 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Together with abbot’s Croatia !! Fully expected from her though
Popular Post Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 2 March 2022 Popular Post Posted 2 March 2022 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: A powerful image... of how terrible some people's Photoshop abilities are 1 7
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