Soumare

[StanSP]

22 minutes ago, frany104 said:

Calling this now. He’s a better player in that formation than Ndidi. Thought he looked good when he came on. Far better ability on the ball than Ndidi and will take the ball in pressure situations. A bit more improvement on his positional sense and he will be class 

Ndidi was quality today though. When he's just given the task of winning the ball and being a defensive presence, and not get involved in the build up play too much, that's where he excels.

Soumare was decent too. Both played well. 

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Ndidi was quality today though. When he's just given the task of winning the ball and being a defensive presence, and not get involved in the build up play too much, that's where he excels.

Soumare was decent too. Both played well. 

Agree they both had good halfs, Soumare defiently more composed on the ball and can carry it as well as find a pass.

 

Nididi great at breaking up play.

Edited 3 October 2022 by whoareyaaa

[Shane]

That forward run at the end of the game is something we’d see more regularly if he wasn’t playing as the holding midfielder. All round good performance though 

[Collymore]

Thought Soumare and the team in general looked more physical.

[Devonfox1884]

He makes me nervous… great run at the end though! 

[cropstonfox]

OK against poor opposition. 

Poor and too slow against any mid table upwards team.

OK tonight in a good win

[CosbehFox]

Surprised at the praise. Constantly wrong side of the ball hence the yellow card 

[Ric Flair]

Epitomises chaos, whether you can harness thst in our current issues and utilise it is another matter. He has his qualities as well as his basic and horrifying weaknesses.

[chuck'em]

22 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Was it him that made the run back to tackle the Forest player who went on a run from his own half?

 

That was brilliant

Yeah he tracked the Johnson run and got a great tackle in when he had gone past the rest of the team. 

[Ian Nacho]

Start on Saturday imo. 

[foxinsox]

45 minutes ago, Shane said:

That forward run at the end of the game is something we’d see more regularly if he wasn’t playing as the holding midfielder. All round good performance though 

Soumare isn't a DM, and that is one place we are going wrong. He is a ball carrier who can switch it to attack. He was a liability tonight as DM, until Praet came on and he could swap to the Tielemans position.

 

I like him as a player, but not how Rodgers plays him.

Edited 3 October 2022 by foxinsox

[Oswinner]

Thought he was poor today. His positioning is poor.

[Jobyfox]

I still don't rate Soumare unfortunately. I'm just not sure he's good enough in any role to make it his own.

 

In fact, as a CDM, I'd prefer Mendy: a limited player, but he's positionally good and can pass reasonably well if only safely and simply. Rodgers, however, chooses to banish him from the squad completely.

 

I'd like to be able to see just something that you could say is BS's one thing that he gives the team: passing, carrying the ball, tackling, recycling and keeping it simple? What is it? I haven't worked it out yet, which is why I'd have a fairly one dimensional player like NM ahead of him. 

[Guest Mee-9]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Ndidi was quality today though. When he's just given the task of winning the ball and being a defensive presence, and not get involved in the build up play too much, that's where he excels.

Soumare was decent too. Both played well. 

Cannot work that out at all.

 

Ndidi looked as if he was running in mud and unfit. He looked like the only weak link first half from the stands. The only one who wasn’t at the races.

 

Thought Soumare sured things up, and looked the better and more solid player. He had more to deal with second half also. 

[adam95581]

He’s not going to be the player we all want him to be. For all of his physical presence he lacks any agility / mobility. He doesn’t make up for that with his footballing brain. 
 

Fine against lower league opposition but no chance against top 10 quality midfielders. 

[Shane]

7 hours ago, foxinsox said:

Soumare isn't a DM, and that is one place we are going wrong. He is a ball carrier who can switch it to attack. He was a liability tonight as DM, until Praet came on and he could swap to the Tielemans position.

 

I like him as a player, but not how Rodgers plays him.

If we want to utilise him as a ball carrier he needs to be playing as a RCM or LCM. Strong competition for places so probs wouldn’t start, but its the best position for him and his ball carrying skills!

 

Everyone writing this lad off are going to fall in love with him when he’s in the correct position and driving forward with the ball like prime Yaya! 
 

Edited 4 October 2022 by Shane

[Finnegan]

8 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Surprised at the praise. Constantly wrong side of the ball hence the yellow card 

 

Because, for the Nth time, he's not a defensive midfielder. It's fine playing him there against a team that are as shit as Forest but it can't be his future. He's a ball progressor, he's at his best carrying it forward, his style of play isn't wildly different to KDH. 

[pedmcl]

This guy is starting to look like a really solid squad option. Against Man U at home, and again last night when he came on, he's looked good. Really hope this is the start of an upwards trajectory for him. 

[Claridge]

just seems to react to slowly, he is a very average player. might get better i hope

[Realist Guy In The Room]

He always looks like a car crash either happening, or just about to happen to me.

 

Even that run at the end he cocked up when his pants filled with the brown stuff and he didn’t know what to do.  He was lucky to get fouled.

 

 

[kenny]

10 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because, for the Nth time, he's not a defensive midfielder. It's fine playing him there against a team that are as shit as Forest but it can't be his future. He's a ball progressor, he's at his best carrying it forward, his style of play isn't wildly different to KDH. 

If the club had realised how well KDH was going to do I doubt we would have signed him in the first place.

[volpeazzurro]

10 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because, for the Nth time, he's not a defensive midfielder. It's fine playing him there against a team that are as shit as Forest but it can't be his future. He's a ball progressor, he's at his best carrying it forward, his style of play isn't wildly different to KDH. 

How many of our players are having their performances judged by both supporters and the media when Rodgers has played them out of their best positions now or in the past?

 

Soumare, Soyuncu, Iheanacho, Daka, Perez, Ricardo, Castagne, Armarty, Ndidi to name a few. 

 

Sometimes desperate situations demand such and a player just has to step into a roll because needs must. It is totally different however if it's merely to try and fulfil an egotistical head game. For a player to play out of position and understandably make mistakes can cause confidence issues. To have a number of players out of their best positions at one time is a recipe for poor results. 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

10 hours ago, Shane said:

If we want to utilise him as a ball carrier he needs to be playing as a RCM or LCM. Strong competition for places so probs wouldn’t start, but its the best position for him and his ball carrying skills!

 

Everyone writing this lad off are going to fall in love with him when he’s in the correct position and driving forward with the ball like prime Yaya! 
 

....he has had these deficiencies throughout his career, it is not going to change, he does not sense danger or reads the game to mitigate it!!!

He needs to have someone who deals with things he is poor at, taking Tielemans out of the equation and something like Wilf or Mendy as the DM and Soumare playing the role where he brings it forward, taking it under pressure.

   You do not have to play like Tielemans, to play in that position.

[Guest Mee-9]

14 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

He always looks like a car crash either happening, or just about to happen to me.

 

Even that run at the end he cocked up when his pants filled with the brown stuff and he didn’t know what to do.  He was lucky to get fouled.

 

 

I genuinely have no idea what game some

of you were watching.

 

He broke through and put the defence under that much pressure they bundled him down. Lucky to get fouled? Yeah he isn’t the quickest player in the world but what do you expect. He had no support either when he ran through. Fair play to the bloke, taking the ball forward at the end of the game and wanting to attack. How can you slate that? (Suppose some people prefer the constant sidewards passing that goes nowhere.) 
 

This negative agenda against certain players is ridiculous. Soumare had a good game when he came on, he was certainly better than Ndidi who looked off it, behind the pace and unfit. He was the only weak link first half, hence why Rodgers subbed him. He wasn’t taken off because he was having an outstanding game, he looked terrible.

 

 

Edited 5 October 2022 by Mee-9

[Oswinner]

Stats can be misleading. Felt we had a massive gaping hole when he was on the pitch and Forest got in ‘between the lines’ a fair few times. A better team would have punished us.

 

I agree with the notion that he isn’t a DM, he just isn’t aware enough. He’s more of a box to box midfielder.

Edited 5 October 2022 by Oswinner