Is Top ruthless enough?

[Cincinnati Fox]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Yeah

Good

hopefully let the dust settle last night, call him in this morning and a corner flag by 1pm.

[foxsake]

13 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

From what I was told by someone who works at the king power was that Vichai was having a bit of a rant after the match saying Pearson has to go, a reporter overheard it and ran with the story. Vichai later calmed down and did nothing. The club was then taking by complete surprise when later that evening sky sports started reporting that Pearson had been sacked. 

Perhaps someone can leak a story about Pearson's 3rd Tenure. A reporter can overhear. Next thing Sky, announce Nigel III and the club has no choice but to follow through otherwise they look daft. Also, King Power reshaped to look like a big white trainer.

Edited 21 August 2022 by foxsake

[Aus Fox]

I think right now there needs to be a lot of people answering some very difficult questions in Tops office. 
The obvious place to start is with Brendan, but Rudkin, Whelan and anyone else in a leadership position at the club.

Behind the scenes something has changed massively in the last 12 months.  It wasn’t that long ago everything the club touched was turning to gold - the new training ground, stadium expansion plans, just won an FA Cup for the first time in our history and embarking on another European tour. 
Every week now appears to get more and more negative, nothing has gone right on or off the pitch for a while and now we’re in a position where we have no new players, no it sure what’s going on with the expansion amongst other bizarre off field things the club is doing right now.

Somewhere along the chain some heads do need to start rolling and I think we need some honest answers from the top about what exactly is going on.

 

[Tuna]

I think he is ruthless enough, he sacked Puel barely months after the helictopter crash.

[dormelcfc]

I believe he is. He's done it before.

 

Might have had assistance from Whelan and Rudkin but it was Top who made the decision to jettison Puel, who for all of his vices, handled the crash tragedy with a lot of decorum and respect. That must have been a very tough decision at the time.

 

Have no doubt that when the time comes, he'd make the decision.

[bluefox1]

He needs to make it now,if he leaves any later, relegation is the only way we are going with brendan and his backroom staff.

[whetstonefox]

I’m assuming Top will have a feel on what the morale of the players is like and therefore deciding if it’s BR or a whole mixture of things. 
 

I think Rodgers future will be decided on the outcome of the Villa home game on 10th September. It’s not inconceivable we lose that and have only 1 point from the opening 7 games. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

It’s not even just BR, who’s getting the boot for all these stupid contracts that have been handed out?

[reynard]

28 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think right now there needs to be a lot of people answering some very difficult questions in Tops office. 
The obvious place to start is with Brendan, but Rudkin, Whelan and anyone else in a leadership position at the club.

Behind the scenes something has changed massively in the last 12 months.  It wasn’t that long ago everything the club touched was turning to gold - the new training ground, stadium expansion plans, just won an FA Cup for the first time in our history and embarking on another European tour. 
Every week now appears to get more and more negative, nothing has gone right on or off the pitch for a while and now we’re in a position where we have no new players, no it sure what’s going on with the expansion amongst other bizarre off field things the club is doing right now.

Somewhere along the chain some heads do need to start rolling and I think we need some honest answers from the top about what exactly is going on.

 

Absolutely spot on. The playing side is not great right now but we still have good players. The financial side looks to be a complete dog's dinner though. We're simply not raising anywhere near enough off field revenue to be funding our spending and that can only lead in one direction. 

I'm not even sure how much of a difference replacing Brendan would make unless he's lost the dressing room. Top managers want to join either ambitious clubs with decent prospects and decent funding  or good young managers on their way up perhaps want a club at rock bottom they can turn round and we're neither of those.

We're certainly not the decent prospect we were seen as just two or three years ago.

The recruitment issue also looks bad for encouraging new players to join. Who, of top quality would want to join us at this moment in time.

[foxfanazer]

31 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think right now there needs to be a lot of people answering some very difficult questions in Tops office. 
The obvious place to start is with Brendan, but Rudkin, Whelan and anyone else in a leadership position at the club.

Behind the scenes something has changed massively in the last 12 months.  It wasn’t that long ago everything the club touched was turning to gold - the new training ground, stadium expansion plans, just won an FA Cup for the first time in our history and embarking on another European tour. 
Every week now appears to get more and more negative, nothing has gone right on or off the pitch for a while and now we’re in a position where we have no new players, no it sure what’s going on with the expansion amongst other bizarre off field things the club is doing right now.

Somewhere along the chain some heads do need to start rolling and I think we need some honest answers from the top about what exactly is going on.

 

Spot on. In a short space of time the club have created a disconnect from the fans. This isn't irreparable though and could be fixed if the club just gave a bit more insight and clarity to the fans. Accountability seems to be a real issue at the moment but I think we're entitled to know who's to blame for what and what we intend on doing to fix it

[Mickyblueeyes]

We have a director of football who has failed to manage the squad.

 

A manager who is failing to manage his side. 
 

These two need to be upgraded asap.

[Sampson]

44 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think right now there needs to be a lot of people answering some very difficult questions in Tops office. 
The obvious place to start is with Brendan, but Rudkin, Whelan and anyone else in a leadership position at the club.

Behind the scenes something has changed massively in the last 12 months.  It wasn’t that long ago everything the club touched was turning to gold - the new training ground, stadium expansion plans, just won an FA Cup for the first time in our history and embarking on another European tour. 
Every week now appears to get more and more negative, nothing has gone right on or off the pitch for a while and now we’re in a position where we have no new players, no it sure what’s going on with the expansion amongst other bizarre off field things the club is doing right now.

Somewhere along the chain some heads do need to start rolling and I think we need some honest answers from the top about what exactly is going on.

 

Of course KP have been great for us but I agree they’re not really giving us any information about why we’re not signing anyone and what’s up with the lack of signings.

 

Instead we’re largely given cryptic dribs and drabs from Rodgers in press conferences and from journalists on twitter.

 

I think we’d all just really like some statement or something from the board about the realities of the financial situation at the club.

 

As every week goes past this summer it feels more and more like “we just need to reduce our squad size, we’ll sell to buy” is not the whole story. Rodgers saying recently in a press conference he’s not expecting anyone in by the end of the summer, all while we’re possibly getting rid of Fofana, Soumare and Tielemans for £100mil+ combined was a little worrying to me. Not convinced any of that money if those players do go is being reinvested in the squad.

 

Not many club’s fans who wouldn’t be outside the ground and demanding answers right now like we aren’t. Of course Top and KP have earnt that, but it’s hard not to think there’s definitely something going on behind the scenes which we’re not getting answers about.

Edited 21 August 2022 by Sampson

[DoveValleyFox]

1 hour ago, Vlad the Fox said:

From what I was told by someone who works at the king power was that Vichai was having a bit of a rant after the match saying Pearson has to go, a reporter overheard it and ran with the story. Vichai later calmed down and did nothing. The club was then taking by complete surprise when later that evening sky sports started reporting that Pearson had been sacked. 

"Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest" 

  Love it 

[Simoken]

Why do a majority feel theres a secret remedy to managing a football club, people feel blaming BR is the easiest way to solve it when in reality i dont think he is the real problem at all, he hasnt changed the style of football or his attitude on the pitch and to me it feels like hes very supportive of his players and has a honest approach with his management towards them hes won us the FA cup and got us to a european semi so why the sudden drop in form?

 

Maybe its just because the current roster of players have just ran out of steam and hunger to make top 4 after just missing out twice and maybe the players are just not good enough, Tielemans and Fofana is a massive red flag with regards to the modern day footballer claming to have more power than the club, well.. regarding to the media that is that constantly wants to vilify and make outrageous claims for the sake of views and £ so i porefer to ignore until solid statements actually come out.

 

Is it the clubs way of business from up top that is way out of its depth now that the PL is evolving season by season and are the owners too arrogant in thinking this business model is sustainable? i do like it but football is changing into a cash cow powerhouse and the way LCFC is going its best suited for the Dutch league or german.

 

I feel for BR i dont think hes solely to blame and i feel he will go sooon and then what, well replace him with another manager? rinse and repeat not a solution. If you want the club to consistently make moves forward you need to heavily invest and the more this goes on im afraid we are destiend to remain the same.

the new Southampton club model.

Edited 21 August 2022 by Simoken

[Daggers]

[Bozman]

1 hour ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

I do wonder if someone is tasked with gauging fan opinion from forums and social media to report back or if they simply go from reactions in the crowd at matches and MSM. 
 

I'd definitely say someone from the club will be keeping the hierarchy informed of opinions and feelings  from all forms of social media including this forum

Edited 21 August 2022 by Bozman
missed a word

[MattFox]

1 hour ago, Vlad the Fox said:

From what I was told by someone who works at the king power was that Vichai was having a bit of a rant after the match saying Pearson has to go, a reporter overheard it and ran with the story. Vichai later calmed down and did nothing. The club was then taking by complete surprise when later that evening sky sports started reporting that Pearson had been sacked. 

Pearson was never officially sacked at any point according to the man himself 

[Vlad the Fox]

1 minute ago, MattFox said:

Pearson was never officially sacked at any point according to the man himself 

Yep, which does fit in with what I was told.

[Mickyblueeyes]

10 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Why do a majority feel theres a secret remedy to managing a football club, people feel blaming BR is the easiest way to solve it when in reality i dont think he is the real problem at all, he hasnt changed the style of football or his attitude on the pitch and to me it feels like hes very supportive of his players and has a honest approach with his management towards them hes won us the FA cup and got us to a european semi so why the sudden drop in form?

 

Maybe its just because the current roster of players have just ran out of steam and hunger to make top 4 after just missing out twice and maybe the players are just not good enough, Tielemans and Fofana is a massive red flag with regards to the modern day footballer claming to have more power than the club, well.. regarding to the media that is that constantly wants to vilify and make outrageous claims for the sake of views and £ so i porefer to ignore until solid statements actually come out.

 

Is it the clubs way of business from up top that is way out of its depth now that the PL is evolving season by season and are the owners too arrogant in thinking this business model is sustainable? i do like it but football is changing into a cash cow powerhouse and the way LCFC is going its best suited for the Dutch league or german.

 

I feel for BR i dont think hes solely to blame and i feel he will go sooon and then what, well replace him with another manager? rinse and repeat not a solution. If you want the club to consistently make moves forward you need to heavily invest and the more this goes on im afraid we are destiend to remain the same.

the new Southampton club model.

I actually see what you’re saying here. There was a decision up top that this club should invest in both a new training ground and stadium expansion. Both, I think in the long run are needed. It seems the belief was the football side would take care of itself. 
 

The reality is, as a club in this division to not make one signing is embarrassing and huge mismanagement. It’s unacceptable. We are living with it but the reality is, the executive board should never had let the club get into this position. 
 

For a club who seemed to be ran so professionally for so long, this summer has certainly highlighted inexperience and errors in approach. 

[foxinsocks]

I think Top will be on top if this (no pun intended) I woukd expect he is going thru Brendan's expenses claims right now 

😂

Edited 21 August 2022 by foxinsocks

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Whenever he pulls the trigger, the media will chastise him for it - they all love rodgers 

 

and the narrative that he wasn’t backed will be front and centre ….

Can't be any worse than when we sacked Ranieri, if anything that hostility in the press might give the new mob and the players the fcuk you attitude that's needed to shake us in to life, likewise our board and even Top. Hatred and anger can be glorious when channeled in the right way.

[Pliskin]

Yes he is. But you can understand the hesitance due to the sheer amount of money behind Rodgers. I fully expect Top to drag Rodgers into his office this week for tea and biscuits without the biscuits……. 
 

And then if nothing changes, which it won’t then he will get booted. 

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Can't be any worse than when we sacked Ranieri, if anything that hostility in the press might give the new mob and the players the fcuk you attitude that's needed to shake us in to life, likewise our board and even Top. Hatred and anger can be glorious when channeled in the right way.

The press never understood the ranairi situation.  It was sad but those of us watching the football suported the decision 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

Not 100% sure but I thought it was Vichai and Top convinced him to reinstate him? I'm sure someone Will correct me

That's the way round I understood it too in fairness. 

[foxinsocks]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Yes he is. But you can understand the hesitance due to the sheer amount of money behind Rodgers. I fully expect Top to drag Rodgers into his office this week for tea and biscuits without the biscuits……. 
 

And then if nothing changes, which it won’t then he will get booted. 

Now is when top cannot doubt himself. 

Edited 21 August 2022 by foxinsocks