Premier League time-wasting: Referees failing to clamp down on stoppages with IFAB set to discuss solutions

[Spudulike]

It's a predictable farce now watching the winning team going through their repotoire of delaying tactics aided by the officials. 

 

The rule makers have given them another tool to use and we see the likes of Fulham (and others) exploiting to the maximum the new head injury stoppage. 

 

This winds me up as much as anything else. 

[Super_horns]

15 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said:

It was sorted in the World Cup, once players realised the time was being added on the sitting down and cramp coincidentally ended.

Then seemed to get less and less by the end though as if they had been told it was too much.

 

But yes clearly we cannot have games where the ball is hardly in play or players are allowed to do what they like .

[Super_horns]

They’ll book a few more players and add on time for a couple of months then go back to normal as they do with most rules .

[NAKC20]

And any player that stays down until the referee stops play but doesnt need treatment should be made to leave the field for a set time, maybe 3-5 minutes

[Sunbury Fox]

I notice that Marco Silva isn't one of the managers complaining about time wasting. 

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

Then seemed to get less and less by the end though as if they had been told it was too much.

 

But yes clearly we cannot have games where the ball is hardly in play or players are allowed to do what they like .

Or, the players didn't waste as much time.

[marbles]

I say have a timer like the NBA's shot clock - you have X amount of time to get the ball back in play

If not, issue the yellow to the goalies only and not the player actually committing the infraction.  I guarantee there will be no time wasting then.

 

[Super_horns]

53 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Or, the players didn't waste as much time.

Fair point and not many “injuries “

[LcFc_Smiv]

1 hour ago, Sunbury Fox said:

I notice that Marco Silva isn't one of the managers complaining about time wasting. 

Some of those who are named in that article are some of the worst offenders and ones that are being looked at by official bodies. There's going to be some grumpy managers over the next few months.

 

Fulham are being looked at with incidents in our game noted but not yet serial offenders.

Edited 12 January 2023 by LcFc_Smiv

[Vacamion]

 

They should have post-match video review citing panel, like in rugby.

 

If a player is struck somewhere that isn't the head (or just has his ear flicked, etc) and goes down clutching his head to try and gain a stoppage (the old Rivaldo)...

 

Or if he does the whole screaming, head in the turf, broken a limb in agony, slapping the floor, signalling to the bench, and then about 2 minutes later, jumps up, limps for 2 seconds and is then running around normally....

 

Or if he dives without contact, etc...

 

It is cheating, and the reviewing authorities should then announce that the player cheated and they should ban the cheat for up to 5 games.

 

A few cheats shamed and banned, and it would soon stop being an issue.

 

 

 

[Fox92]

And then people complained at World Cup when they added 7+ mins every game.

[davieG]

Refs have been showing a complete lack of authority and control.

Allowing players to harass and swear at them

Allowing blatant and persistent time wasting

Kicking or throwing the ball away to delay free kicks

Crowding the free kick taker 

Gain so many yards from the original throw in location and allowing free kicks nowhere near the offence.

They themselves waste endless time with free kick setting up.

They should allow quick free kicks anywhere and if a defender impedes book them

 

Seems to me if you show weakness with even minor flouting of the laws it just escalates to where we are now.

We need more no nonsense less buddy buddy refereeing. 

[yorkie1999]

it used to be 10 yards from a free kick, if the oppo player is trying to prevent the quick free kick, yo could boot the ball against him and he'd get booked for not getting out the way. why aren't players doing this any more? 

[ozleicester]

why the fvck does everything require a committee and ludicrous anmounts of investigation, reporting and reimaginning.

Take the watch OFF the Ref
Only time when the ball is IN PLAY

FIXED!!!!

[Aus Fox]

Easy way to fix the problem we saw against Fulham is any player going down with a head injury, needs to go off for a concussion test. 
These tests usually take 10–15 minutes and would benefit the overall health of a player in the case of serious head knocks, ensuring the best treatment is given. The flip side is no player will fake a head injury knowing they will be out of the game for 10-15 minutes. 
We could have concussion subs used to cover the player so no team is disadvantage when a player receives a head injury.

[BKLFox]

I read today that this seasons game between Crystal Palace v Leeds the ball was in play for only 44 minutes, 44 that is crazy when the average is 55mins which is bloody bad enough.

 

Games involving Leeds, Newcastle, Brentford & Villa have the lowest ball in play times, on the other end of the scale Man C record the highest ball in play, guess who’s next, yep Leicester followed by Spurs n Liverpool.

 

There have been something like 44 yellows shown for time wasting, 8 for Villa followed by Newcastle.

 

[Arkie Bennett]

It's fundamentally wrong that some matches are longer than others. Some teams have less time than others to score goals.

 

I have no problem with teams killing time legitimately when the ball is in play, keeping it in the corner etc.

 

The timewasting while the ball is not in play has to stop. The use of a ball in play clock would solve the problem.

[David Hankey]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; what the game needs is an independent official timekeeper. Take this onerous response out of the hands of the match officials.

 

The timekeeper will have the power to "stop the clock", so to speak, and it will be he/she who determines when the half and full time has finished which can be displayed on the big screens.

 

It works in other sports and would be quite simple to implement but as is the case in football it has to be made difficult. Meanwhile the paying public are being shortchanged. 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

Make the pitches like Ice hockey pitches, I don't mean on ice but with glass sides so the ball rarely goes out of play, only when it's a goal. 

 

If it was to go over (not asking for a dome) then one of the ball boys throws a ball straight back in. 

[lcfc old boy]

On 12/01/2023 at 16:40, StriderHiryu said:

But conversely if say you go to 10 matches, you probably get the equivalent of one match for free from all the stoppage time. Watch 11 for the price of 10! 

 

Also people leave early already, that's on them. I get it that sometimes you have to go early to get your train, i've done it once at the Copenhagen Champions League match leaving at bang on 90 minutes running like a madman to get a train, and it sucked. But that's on me really. 

lets have 7.30 kick offs or even 7.15 then , 

[Jattdogg]

Clocks like nba and nhl are where its at. Or even old achool mls. Stop the clock when its out of bounds or injuries.

 

Maybe make games 80 minutes long (although i still prefer 90) with this added stop clock.

[davieG]

On 12/01/2023 at 21:06, yorkie1999 said:

it used to be 10 yards from a free kick, if the oppo player is trying to prevent the quick free kick, yo could boot the ball against him and he'd get booked for not getting out the way. why aren't players doing this any more? 

Maybe because some refs aren't booking offenders.

[dsr-burnley]

1.  If a team is wasting time over putting the ball in play, then reverse the decision.  a free kick one way becomes a free kick the other way, a goal kick becomes a corner and vice versa, a throw in goes to the other team.  Let that decision be made promptly and without warning, and players who dissent can expect a booking.  (Of course, that would mean the FA had to stand up for the referees, and that's not going to happen.)

 

2.  Substitutions - if the player being subbed is not off the field in 15 seconds, then he still has to go off but the sub can't come on until the next break in play.  Players, like now, can leave in any direction.  They could put a timer with buzzer in the 4th official's electric display board.

 

3.  Extend the keeper's 6 second rule to 12, and enforce it.

Edited 23 January 2023 by dsr-burnley

[davieG]

51 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

1.  If a team is wasting time over putting the ball in play, then reverse the decision.  a free kick one way becomes a free kick the other way, a goal kick becomes a corner and vice versa, a throw in goes to the other team.  Let that decision be made promptly and without warning, and players who dissent can expect a booking.  (Of course, that would mean the FA had to stand up for the referees, and that's not going to happen.)

 

2.  Substitutions - if the player being subbed is not off the field in 15 seconds, then he still has to go off but the sub can't come on until the next break in play.  Players, like now, can leave in any direction.  They could put a timer with buzzer in the 4th official's electric display board.

 

3.  Extend the keeper's 6 second rule to 12, and enforce it.

Those type of changes can't be made by the FA. Most of the problems would disappear if refs used the power they already have.

[filbertway]

21 hours ago, davieG said:

Those type of changes can't be made by the FA. Most of the problems would disappear if refs used the power they already have.

Refs are too concerned about managing the occasion rather than refereeing correctly, especially at the top level. For some reason they see themselves as a conductor rather than someone who's there to make sure the rules of the game are adhered to.