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Glorious Leicester Fan

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26 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Less significant, yes (though not by much in my estimation). But you're arguing Cup wins should be discounted entirely - putting us behind the likes of Preston, Portsmouth and Burnley in the "who's a bigger club" stakes.

 

FA Cups are not easy things to win - it took us nearly 140 years to win our first one!

If you follow your argument, then us winning the PL is a broadly comparable achievement to  us winning the league cup. I’m not sure that is the case.

Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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2 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

Again, I totally agree. There are some clubs who are big, but seem to be ignored. Sunderland for example. My only issue with Spurs is that there is a tendency to place them in the elite ranks, which I don’t think is necessarily justified. This is obviously not negating their achievements.

Understood. I think being aware of other clubs achievements gives a greater understanding of our game and status within it. Spurs won a trophy in 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and 2000s. Only in last decade and half have they fallen somewhat. Chelsea probably the team to oust them from elite ranking. Being a London team possibly gives them a glamour which we and other teams from provinces don't get.  I remember thinking in about 30 years ago we had won nothing apart from the fledgling League Cup in 64. Since 97 then even allowing for our drop to the third tier in 2008 it has been a dream

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StanSP

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Isn't the Spurs hate purely based on how some of their fans acted like the title was already won in 2016, and then they subsequently didn't win? So they direct their anger towards us instead of inwards, and then out of that anger bore a faux rivalry?

 

They got above their station, we held the higher ground, and we rubbed that in their faces ever since. 

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Glorious Leicester Fan

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8 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

They are technically the sixth most successful team by honours in the country, if we're saying it in terms of the 'big six'. I do agree on the financial side too. 

Technically is the operative word. Its based on the assumption that all trophies are equally valued. Do you think us winning a league cup/winning the PL comparable achievements?
 

 

Voll Blau

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7 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

If you follow your argument, then us winning the PL is a broadly comparable achievement to  us winning the league cup. I’m not sure that is the case.

Er, that's not what I'm claiming at all. All I'm arguing is that using league wins as the sole metric by how you judge the size of a club - as you're doing - is completely unrepresentative of reality.

 

Overall historic trophy count is definitely something that needs to be taken into consideration in this debate though, as well as factors including size of fanbase and so on.

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Glorious Leicester Fan

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7 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Er, that's not what I'm claiming at all. All I'm arguing is that using league wins as the sole metric by how you judge the size of a club - as you're doing - is completely unrepresentative of reality.

 

Overall historic trophy count is definitely something that needs to be taken into consideration in this debate though, as well as factors including size of fanbase and so on.

You said that although a cup win is less significant, they are not by much in your estimation. Therefore broadly comparable. 
 

For me, any cup won is an achievement. But a top flight domestic league win is an significantly superior accomplishment. 
 

 

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Voll Blau

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6 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

You said that although a cup win is less significant, they are not by much in your estimation. Therefore broadly comparable. 
 

For me, any cup won is an achievement. But a top flight domestic league win is an significantly superior accomplishment. 
 

 

If you think it's a significantly superior accomplishment, that's fine. But to argue it should be the sole factor in settling this debate is a bit far-fetched really.

Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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3 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

You said that although a cup win is less significant, they are not by much in your estimation. Therefore broadly comparable. 
 

For me, any cup won is an achievement. But a top flight domestic league win is an significantly superior accomplishment. 
 

 

I will agree simply because we did it and we won the FA Cup as well. Never thought we would get either for a long time in my life. I still wish we had won league in 1929 or cup in 1949 and I was not around for those. 

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Dahnsouff

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41 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

They are technically the sixth most successful team by honours in the country, if we're saying it in terms of the 'big six'. I do agree on the financial side too. 

Actually did not know that, but this be time limited I assume?

SuperMike

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Hope we don't put Mendy in for this game. I like him as a player but up against Hjoberg and Bentancur he would be absolutely pasted. For a while now we have been far the weakest (physicality-wise) team in the league - think Spurs will steamroller us.

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Glorious Leicester Fan

Glorious Leicester Fan

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12 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

If you think it's a significantly superior accomplishment, that's fine. But to argue it should be the sole factor in settling this debate is a bit far-fetched really.

Agree. And I don’t think I ever said they should be completely disregarded. But in a trophy hierarchy, Everton’s 9 league wins and 5 FA cups trumps Spurs 2/8 in my opinion.

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PhillippaT

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38 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Isn't the Spurs hate purely based on how some of their fans acted like the title was already won in 2016, and then they subsequently didn't win? So they direct their anger towards us instead of inwards, and then out of that anger bore a faux rivalry?

 

They got above their station, we held the higher ground, and we rubbed that in their faces ever since. 

TBH - long before then, I already hated most London-based clubs anyway :P

lcfcbluearmy

lcfcbluearmy

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1 hour ago, kingkisnorbo said:

At no point have I suggested otherwise. Your insinuating that because they have no real recent success that their history prior is somehow worthless. I responded to a post that said they had never won anything of any significance (total balderdash) and you said nothing in the last 30 years. You never made it clear that your point was that it was in comparison to us. You simply stated "yeah but not in the last 30 years" which doesn't make any sense. Success is success. 

I work in science. A lot big part of the measure of success in this field is how many papers you publish in well known journals.  If for a few years I published 20 papers in these high impact journals I would be known as a successful influential scientist. If I then went the next 25-30 years without publishing anything people would no longer think of me as being influential. Yes I would have had success in the past no one is denying that however it dosent keep me as a big name forever

Foxdiamond

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3 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

I work in science. A lot big part of the measure of success in this field is how many papers you publish in well known journals.  If for a few years I published 20 papers in these high impact journals I would be known as a successful influential scientist. If I then went the next 25-30 years without publishing anything people would no longer think of me as being influential. Yes I would have had success in the past no one is denying that however it dosent keep me as a big name 

But this is sport. Don Bradman or Bjorn Borg are still revered by fans long after retirement. Clubs honour boards are more similar to that. 

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