Rudkin

[Lesta Legend]

5 hours ago, adamkhalifa said:

100% agree we do not know the infrastructure absolutely. 

 

What we do know however, Rudkin is DOF. For me, that means a sense of clear FORWARD direction above and beyond those you highlighted. I would argue, because of the greatest sporting achievement. You would think this would springboard us further and not regress. 

 

(Simple definition (A Director of Football is an executive employed by a football club to oversee medium and long-term strategy))

 

There are odd factors that we cannot ignore too. Let's take a quick high level rhetoriacal overview: 

 

1. How did we go from one of the best recruitment system to what we have currently 

2. Medical and fitness, isn't up to scratch

3. Holding on to general manager beyond reasonable doubt 

4. We should be able to self sustain without the owner dipping into his pocket to prop up the organisation. Especially if the business model, is to buy cheap sell high.

 

We have sleep walked into this situation, with eyes wide open. This isnt King Power medium to long term strategy. Someone must be responsible for that. For that reason, he gets a big fat cross above those ticks mentioned. 

 

 

 

 

Complacency. 
 

Pearson et al built a modern system that used a scientific and stats driven approach it worked and allowed us to achieve what shouldn’t have been possible. The club had a strategy and stuck to it. We then allowed successive managers to dismantle that, which the club should not have allowed, a huge failing of the job you’re employed to do but the DOF keep his job as he did some good things once. 
 

We now have a club in BR’s imagine, a club that’s lost its identity and focus. 

Edited 10 April 2023 by Lesta Legend

[SemperEadem]

He has to go.

[Vazman]

If I was Top I'd have one question for Rudders, how the Fu%k have we ended up in this mess? I am sure there are mitigating circumstances, but I'd also remind him that his job is to warn me off such failures happening, he 100% should be replaced, far too comfortable. 

[themightyfin]

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

If that's the case, he wanted Rodgers to go a long time ago...I would have thought in his role he'd have had the suggestions ready for a replacement 

[themightyfin]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

If that's the case, he wanted Rodgers to go a long time ago...I would have thought in his role he'd have had the suggestions ready for a replacement 

Maybe he did and they have since found employment???

Just a thought....

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Maybe he did and they have since found employment???

Just a thought....

Again I'd like a competent DoF to have numerous options open to himself. Maybe thinking outside of the box. 

[foxinsocks]

Just now, CosbehFox said:

Again I'd like a competent DoF to have numerous options open to himself. Maybe thinking outside of the box. 

Is it @Col city fan?

[CosbehFox]

I often ask myself considering the size of LCFC and our relevant success - how come no club like Newcastle, Everton or Villa considered him their man to potentially led the organisational side after a takeover? 

[desertfox2]

19 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

Fair enough but who decides the contracts offered to the players and the salaries? Recruitment was shocking under Rodgers but presumably the manager doesn't decide how much a week to pay a player and how long to give them or does he?

[Chocolate Teapot]

28 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

Cheers Jon.

Some outstanding deflection here.

Edited 10 April 2023 by Chocolate Teapot

[jayfox26]

22 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

I said this last week. Rudkin clearly had no sway in the decision to get rid of Rodgers and that was all on Top. Does make you question what Rudkin does actually do though. Does anyone close to the club know what his remit is from Top?

[fox_favourite]

Rudkin = bin

[foxinsocks]

24 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

how do you know this - clearly it wasn;t a resignation issue for him though.

[Trelleh]

As a business, USUALLY you speculate to accumulate, you know, buy to sell for a profit otherwise you can’t really operate..

 

Rudkin, doesn’t have the basics and fundamentals to be anywhere near a business, we buy players for 20/30 million and let them leave for nothing. We can’t compete. Hence why we are where we are (throw r*dgers in the mix as well).

 

He’s spent. Top needs to get shot of him this summer, he’s not cut out to be a DoF. He’s just been here for a while and made friends in high places.

Edited 1 May 2023 by Trelleh

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Trelleh said:

As a business, USUALLY you speculate to accumulate, you know, buy to sell for a profit otherwise you can’t really operate..

 

Rudkin, doesn’t have the basics and fundamentals to be anywhere near a business, we buy players for 20/30 million and let them leave for nothing. We can’t compete. Hence why we are where we are (throw r*dgers in the mix as well).

 

He’s spent. Top needs to wave him off this summer.

It is now a v difficult situation out there  for DOF’s 

 

players are increasingly winding down their contracts in order to take a big pay day on free transfer 

 

our problem with YT was he only signed a four year deal. From that moment it was always going to be difficult to get him to extend. We should have sold him after the FA cup win but how does that go down ??

 

I wonder if  the issue with rudders is that he isn’t v good at reading the intentions of agents - in business you get a sixth sense when negotiating- you find ways of manoeuvring conversations to reveal intentions to a degree. 

cags is an interesting one - he’s on a low salary around 40k. Yet he’s seen out five years here on it. There must have been several occasions when his agent has indicated that he would be extending and it’s possible that negs have actually taken place.  The ultimate sanction against a player who won’t extend or agree to be sold is to leave them out of the team in an effort to force them to do so.  Our problem is that we don’t have enough options to take that stance when there are two to three years left on contracts. Once players are below two years the ball becomes firmly in their court. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

On 10/04/2023 at 12:07, themightyfin said:

Rudkin would have got rid of Rodgers a long time ago if it was down to him.

Easy scapegoat and im sure hes made wrong decisions along rhe way in his role but 1 person is much more to blame for Rodgers continued employment.  

If this is at all true and he holds that little control over decisions effecting his remit, his role here is untenable. There is a person who has sat at c-suite level who would stand for this. Combined with Rodgers apparently overruling him re: Vestegaard and Bertrand, Rudkin would’ve walked a long time ago. 
 

Yeah, his boss is a numpty but Rudkin is as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If this is at all true and he holds that little control over decisions effecting his remit, his role here is untenable. There is a person who has sat at c-suite level who would stand for this. Combined with Rodgers apparently overruling him re: Vestegaard and Bertrand, Rudkin would’ve walked a long time ago. 
 

Yeah, his boss is a numpty but Rudkin is as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

Perhaps he didn’t want to be pushed out of the club he loves by Rodgers ? 
he knew that rodgers would eventually leave and had to bide his time to get there.  We don’t know for sure just how much control brendan had. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Perhaps he didn’t want to be pushed out of the club he loves by Rodgers ? 
he knew that rodgers would eventually leave and had to bide his time to get there.  We don’t know for sure just how much control brendan had. 

You’re absolutely right, we don’t know what’s happening. But if you’ve been in that senior position before, with the issues happening, very few of talent would sit there and just take it. Whether it be the sacking, the lack of signings, the poor signings, the poor play - all of this are incredible failures for a sporting director. Id be flabbergasted if someone just chose to watch it occur. 

[st albans fox]

46 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You’re absolutely right, we don’t know what’s happening. But if you’ve been in that senior position before, with the issues happening, very few of talent would sit there and just take it. Whether it be the sacking, the lack of signings, the poor signings, the poor play - all of this are incredible failures for a sporting director. Id be flabbergasted if someone just chose to watch it occur. 

Also bear in mind that he’d not get a similar position at any other PL club if he resigned 

[iancognito]

Up until a couple of seasons back I was happy to defend the guy and he clearly had credit in the bank for helping build something here. Top clearly trusts him and getting £15m for Schlupp (when that was a lot of money) and £35m for Drinkwater will have obviously helped his kudos. But if you praise anything he was responsible for in previous years (as uncertain as that is) you have to look everything he's overseen since the cup win and say he's on thin ice. As DoF he's overseeing contracts, recruitments and ultimately the football side itself. All three of those have gone tits up. And for all that kudos with Top, he must be able to see that himself and be asking questions about the whole decision-making process.

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Also bear in mind that he’d not get a similar position at any other PL club if he resigned 

And that’s the start and finish isn’t it. He has the years of experience but this is it for him. A team which has over achieved under his tenure but Rudkin doesn’t get mentioned for the bigger gigs 

[filthyfox]

17 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

And that’s the start and finish isn’t it. He has the years of experience but this is it for him. A team which has over achieved under his tenure but Rudkin doesn’t get mentioned for the bigger gigs 

Because he is shit.  Found out when Slimani came... and all the driss therafter

[majaco]

He's been around for our greatest period of success.  Perhaps, like was the case with Rodgers, he has been inpost too long(by two or more years and counting). 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

As DoF he's overseeing contracts, recruitments and ultimately the football side itself. All three of those have gone tits up.

....the contract agreements are something that we have a reasonable right to question!!!

Recruitment would have been impacted by Rodgers and the leeway that was given to him, and so the lines would have been blurred in that respect. How much his hand has been tied I do not know. His walking away from his position would have made little difference, as someone else coming into his role, could have raised alarms as to what was happening within the club, in respect of the overall structures and performances, all the way through the academies. Still, only one person could correct this (Khun Top), and he appears to have chosen not to take action when it was considered appropriate.