davieG Posted 11 March 2024 Posted 11 March 2024 https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/no-one-gets-see-it-9140212 'No-one gets to see it' - Inside Trey Nyoni's Leicester City pathway, Liverpool exit and tribunal case Leicester City news as LeicestershireLive takes an insight inside academy talent Trey Nyoni's move to Liverpool in the summer Bookmark Comments 2 SPORT ByJosh Holland 06:00, 11 MAR 2024 Trey Nyoni Liverpool starlet Trey Nyoni left Leicester City in the summer (Image: Andrew Powell) Liverpool's Carabao Cup win over Chelsea at Wembley Stadium made the headlines for a number of different reasons. Jurgen Klopp's farewell tour started in the best possible way but there was a sporadic Leicester City connection to their win. Attacking midfielder Trey Nyoni was named on the Liverpool bench due to the injury crisis in Klopp's squad. The 2007-born ace wasn't used at Wembley but he did make his senior debut three days later in the FA Cup against Southampton. Replacing Harvey Elliott in the 78th minute, the former Foxes academy star became the Reds' third youngest player in their history at 16 years and 243 days. Recently, Chelsea were told at a Professional Football Compensation Committee (PFCC) hearing that they are required to pay Brighton up to £7.65million for teenagers Zak Sturge and Shumaira Mhueka - who they signed in 2022. The fee was split up into £1.9m up-front - £1m for Mhueka and £900k for Sturge - with the remaining coming from potential add-ons. Liverpool have a history of snatching talent from other teams and seeing the deal go through tribunal. In 2019, they signed Elliott as a 16-year-old but could not agree on a compensation fee with Fulham. Nearly two years later it was confirmed that Fulham would receive a record fee for a 16-year-old (£4.3m) after a tribunal ruling. A tribunal is sometimes needed to determine a fee when a player under the age of 24 leaves at the end of his contract and the two sides are unable to agree on compensation. "If a young player leaves a team, especially if they sign the contract, and there's no agreement of a fee then tribunal is one way to solve it," football finance expert Kieran Maguire told LeicestershireLive. "The two players (Mhueka and Struge) that left Brighton for Chelsea went through a tribunal. Brighton employed Nick de Marco, a famous sports lawyer, to act on their behalf and the outcome was to their satisfaction, resulting in a seven figure fee for one and a six figure for the other. "It is a complex situation, there will be various claims made from both parties in regards to the relevant valuation of the players and then some form of compromise will be made." On social media, Liverpool's posts of Nyoni's historic debut were flooded with responses from City supporters demanding them to pay the Foxes for the midfielder. Compensation for the wonderkid is yet to be decided and there is no clear indication when it will. Former loan manager and academy coach at Leicester, Guy Branston, has provided an insight in the midfielder and his thoughts on the outcome of his case. "He was already playing up and being highlighted as a serious player," Branston told LeicestershireLive. "I was asked to work with the U13s and U12s, to work with the coaches, to give them an idea of what the next PDP (Player Development Plan) would look like as a coach, so I worked with his manager at the time. Trey Nyoni "Stuart McClarty was asking me to work with him regarding what the potential stage would look like in a few more years for these boys. Trey was involved in that group over a period of time. You’re watching him train at the training ground and you’re getting wind that he’s a super talent. You’re watching him play up and he’s still flagging up. Then since I’ve left, he’s stepped into the U16s and U18s and then watched him around the England set-up as well." “It leads to a tribunal because of discrepancies between an agreed price. They can’t agree on the price of a youngster. When you’re talking about a super-talent like that, the standard remits that you get guidance on within the Football League and Premier League are blown out of the water because the kid’s an uber talent." Branston had a similar case during his time as Head of Recruitment at Notts County nine years ago. Liverpool came in for Jack Bearne, now at Greenock Morton in Scotland, when he was 14. “I worked with Liverpool in the past, they’d always be a really professional outfit in regards to waiting until the right time to speak to players and doing all the right things," Branston explained. "We nearly took it to tribunal because we felt like the valuation of the player was different to what we felt of the player at the time. We also didn’t want to stop the player going to Liverpool because it was a great opportunity for him, but it was a totally different beast because we were little Notts County and they were mighty Liverpool. "I think academy to academy, Liverpool and Leicester are very similar to what they do. Leicester probably top it with the talent that they produce on a regular basis. As a regular nine-year old-coming through the system and staying there until he becomes a first team player, Leicester are different class at that. That’s testament to the academy.” He continued: "Leicester City’s one of the top clubs at producing talents, right? So when a club like Notts County, who I worked for, gets a call from Liverpool, it’s a great honour for one of your players in the academy. "When I dealt with Liverpool it was very professional and knocking on the front door, which is how all clubs want to be dealt with. I imagine that Liverpool would have dealt with this deal that way and they would have knocked on the front door for Trey and tried to agree a price with the hierarchy with Leicester, who know what they’re doing. “It’s all down to a club’s individual mentality. If they feel comfortable that he’s ready for his opportunity then there’s your chance. He’s an uber-talented kid, there’s no doubt about it, you can tell he’s uber-talented. This is a proper, proper player. "If he’s highlighting and identifying to Klopp and Enzo [Maresca], he would have been involved in training because he can keep the ball unbelievably. The fact that Klopp is looking at it is probably what Enzo would have seen. It’s not a surprise [his senior debut so soon]. It’s part of the process that clubs need to take on protecting their assets.” Nyoni's compensation package is expected to be confirmed by a tribunal, with Leicester hoping to receive a satisfactory outcome. “It’s inevitable that it will take its path, purely down to the fact that there’s two really good clubs in lock horn over a player that is really talented," Branston explained regarding the tribunal. "Leicester will have a really high opinion of him because they know him incredibly well and Liverpool would have done their due diligence on him and will rightly want to get the best deal they possibly can. "In my opinion, Leicester will win in this so-called ‘tug-of-war’ because they have the rights to win it. They know they have an asset at the football club who is a talented boy. They didn’t want to lose him but things happen, the right or wrong reason, it is what it is. "Leicester will do the right thing to the boy and his family and Liverpool will do the same thing. The difficult thing with these deals is that it goes to tribunal for a reason and it could be the smallest reason and no-one gets to see it. "It’s a legal discussion between two football clubs and they have to get an independent party to look at it and decide what goes. We are also talking about a real young boy, it’s an unbelievable thing that has happened to him. I hope it’s all sorted for him, quicker rather than later.” The £4.3m Liverpool paid for Elliott and combined £7.25million Chelsea were forced to pay Brighton for Sturge and Mhueka could point to a similar fee that Leicester would expect. However, Branston has insisted it's impossible to compare the situations. Harvey Elliott Liverpool paid a record fee of £4.3m for a teenager when they signed Harvey Elliott from Fulham (Image: Robbie Jay Barratt) “It’s very difficult because it’s a different player. He might bring more to a team because of his background and he might get better opportunities at Liverpool. It’s alright saying he’s been involved in the cup final and the FA Cup, but anything could go wrong or right for him," he said. "Every move has its flaws and positives. My opinion is you’ve got to find what he’s going to bring for the club going forward. For Leicester, he would have easily made an appearance in the Championship and in the Premier League, if he carried on his current projection. What value do you see in a kid from a Championship player at 16? Bundles, absolute bundles. "Then you look at the Brighton deals, again incredibly difficult to do a pricing on this, you look at them two, you’re gonna pay £7.25m with add-ons? There’ll be loads of add-ons in the long list of extras, but they’ll be sell-ons, appearances and international appearances. The clubs know that. When you price him up, he’ll be well above the price individually that they’re [Brighton] are pricing them two at. He’s quite frankly a better player. I’m confident to say that. “If Liverpool were avoiding paying anything, they wouldn’t be putting him on the pitch because it would cost them too much money. They’re not avoiding paying. They’re just having a bit of time to digest the script that Leicester wants from the tribunal and they want to get a fair deal. Leicester will give them a fair deal if they get their feelings correctly taken on board.” 4
Ric Flair Posted 11 March 2024 Posted 11 March 2024 8 hours ago, davieG said: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/no-one-gets-see-it-9140212 'No-one gets to see it' - Inside Trey Nyoni's Leicester City pathway, Liverpool exit and tribunal case Leicester City news as LeicestershireLive takes an insight inside academy talent Trey Nyoni's move to Liverpool in the summer Bookmark Comments 2 SPORT ByJosh Holland 06:00, 11 MAR 2024 Trey Nyoni Liverpool starlet Trey Nyoni left Leicester City in the summer (Image: Andrew Powell) Liverpool's Carabao Cup win over Chelsea at Wembley Stadium made the headlines for a number of different reasons. Jurgen Klopp's farewell tour started in the best possible way but there was a sporadic Leicester City connection to their win. Attacking midfielder Trey Nyoni was named on the Liverpool bench due to the injury crisis in Klopp's squad. The 2007-born ace wasn't used at Wembley but he did make his senior debut three days later in the FA Cup against Southampton. Replacing Harvey Elliott in the 78th minute, the former Foxes academy star became the Reds' third youngest player in their history at 16 years and 243 days. Recently, Chelsea were told at a Professional Football Compensation Committee (PFCC) hearing that they are required to pay Brighton up to £7.65million for teenagers Zak Sturge and Shumaira Mhueka - who they signed in 2022. The fee was split up into £1.9m up-front - £1m for Mhueka and £900k for Sturge - with the remaining coming from potential add-ons. Liverpool have a history of snatching talent from other teams and seeing the deal go through tribunal. In 2019, they signed Elliott as a 16-year-old but could not agree on a compensation fee with Fulham. Nearly two years later it was confirmed that Fulham would receive a record fee for a 16-year-old (£4.3m) after a tribunal ruling. A tribunal is sometimes needed to determine a fee when a player under the age of 24 leaves at the end of his contract and the two sides are unable to agree on compensation. "If a young player leaves a team, especially if they sign the contract, and there's no agreement of a fee then tribunal is one way to solve it," football finance expert Kieran Maguire told LeicestershireLive. "The two players (Mhueka and Struge) that left Brighton for Chelsea went through a tribunal. Brighton employed Nick de Marco, a famous sports lawyer, to act on their behalf and the outcome was to their satisfaction, resulting in a seven figure fee for one and a six figure for the other. "It is a complex situation, there will be various claims made from both parties in regards to the relevant valuation of the players and then some form of compromise will be made." On social media, Liverpool's posts of Nyoni's historic debut were flooded with responses from City supporters demanding them to pay the Foxes for the midfielder. Compensation for the wonderkid is yet to be decided and there is no clear indication when it will. Former loan manager and academy coach at Leicester, Guy Branston, has provided an insight in the midfielder and his thoughts on the outcome of his case. "He was already playing up and being highlighted as a serious player," Branston told LeicestershireLive. "I was asked to work with the U13s and U12s, to work with the coaches, to give them an idea of what the next PDP (Player Development Plan) would look like as a coach, so I worked with his manager at the time. Trey Nyoni "Stuart McClarty was asking me to work with him regarding what the potential stage would look like in a few more years for these boys. Trey was involved in that group over a period of time. You’re watching him train at the training ground and you’re getting wind that he’s a super talent. You’re watching him play up and he’s still flagging up. Then since I’ve left, he’s stepped into the U16s and U18s and then watched him around the England set-up as well." “It leads to a tribunal because of discrepancies between an agreed price. They can’t agree on the price of a youngster. When you’re talking about a super-talent like that, the standard remits that you get guidance on within the Football League and Premier League are blown out of the water because the kid’s an uber talent." Branston had a similar case during his time as Head of Recruitment at Notts County nine years ago. Liverpool came in for Jack Bearne, now at Greenock Morton in Scotland, when he was 14. “I worked with Liverpool in the past, they’d always be a really professional outfit in regards to waiting until the right time to speak to players and doing all the right things," Branston explained. "We nearly took it to tribunal because we felt like the valuation of the player was different to what we felt of the player at the time. We also didn’t want to stop the player going to Liverpool because it was a great opportunity for him, but it was a totally different beast because we were little Notts County and they were mighty Liverpool. "I think academy to academy, Liverpool and Leicester are very similar to what they do. Leicester probably top it with the talent that they produce on a regular basis. As a regular nine-year old-coming through the system and staying there until he becomes a first team player, Leicester are different class at that. That’s testament to the academy.” He continued: "Leicester City’s one of the top clubs at producing talents, right? So when a club like Notts County, who I worked for, gets a call from Liverpool, it’s a great honour for one of your players in the academy. "When I dealt with Liverpool it was very professional and knocking on the front door, which is how all clubs want to be dealt with. I imagine that Liverpool would have dealt with this deal that way and they would have knocked on the front door for Trey and tried to agree a price with the hierarchy with Leicester, who know what they’re doing. “It’s all down to a club’s individual mentality. If they feel comfortable that he’s ready for his opportunity then there’s your chance. He’s an uber-talented kid, there’s no doubt about it, you can tell he’s uber-talented. This is a proper, proper player. "If he’s highlighting and identifying to Klopp and Enzo [Maresca], he would have been involved in training because he can keep the ball unbelievably. The fact that Klopp is looking at it is probably what Enzo would have seen. It’s not a surprise [his senior debut so soon]. It’s part of the process that clubs need to take on protecting their assets.” Nyoni's compensation package is expected to be confirmed by a tribunal, with Leicester hoping to receive a satisfactory outcome. “It’s inevitable that it will take its path, purely down to the fact that there’s two really good clubs in lock horn over a player that is really talented," Branston explained regarding the tribunal. "Leicester will have a really high opinion of him because they know him incredibly well and Liverpool would have done their due diligence on him and will rightly want to get the best deal they possibly can. "In my opinion, Leicester will win in this so-called ‘tug-of-war’ because they have the rights to win it. They know they have an asset at the football club who is a talented boy. They didn’t want to lose him but things happen, the right or wrong reason, it is what it is. "Leicester will do the right thing to the boy and his family and Liverpool will do the same thing. The difficult thing with these deals is that it goes to tribunal for a reason and it could be the smallest reason and no-one gets to see it. "It’s a legal discussion between two football clubs and they have to get an independent party to look at it and decide what goes. We are also talking about a real young boy, it’s an unbelievable thing that has happened to him. I hope it’s all sorted for him, quicker rather than later.” The £4.3m Liverpool paid for Elliott and combined £7.25million Chelsea were forced to pay Brighton for Sturge and Mhueka could point to a similar fee that Leicester would expect. However, Branston has insisted it's impossible to compare the situations. Harvey Elliott Liverpool paid a record fee of £4.3m for a teenager when they signed Harvey Elliott from Fulham (Image: Robbie Jay Barratt) “It’s very difficult because it’s a different player. He might bring more to a team because of his background and he might get better opportunities at Liverpool. It’s alright saying he’s been involved in the cup final and the FA Cup, but anything could go wrong or right for him," he said. "Every move has its flaws and positives. My opinion is you’ve got to find what he’s going to bring for the club going forward. For Leicester, he would have easily made an appearance in the Championship and in the Premier League, if he carried on his current projection. What value do you see in a kid from a Championship player at 16? Bundles, absolute bundles. "Then you look at the Brighton deals, again incredibly difficult to do a pricing on this, you look at them two, you’re gonna pay £7.25m with add-ons? There’ll be loads of add-ons in the long list of extras, but they’ll be sell-ons, appearances and international appearances. The clubs know that. When you price him up, he’ll be well above the price individually that they’re [Brighton] are pricing them two at. He’s quite frankly a better player. I’m confident to say that. “If Liverpool were avoiding paying anything, they wouldn’t be putting him on the pitch because it would cost them too much money. They’re not avoiding paying. They’re just having a bit of time to digest the script that Leicester wants from the tribunal and they want to get a fair deal. Leicester will give them a fair deal if they get their feelings correctly taken on board.” Josh is writing some really good articles for The Mercury. Further to add to this, I've been informed that the club are no way to blame for Nyoni leaving. His Dad didn't think there was a pathway for Trey to play first team football at Leicester, so wanted him to move to Liverpool. Pretty sure they all support Liverpool and obviously for a big club they have a track record for hoovering up 16-18 year old from other academies and they get a fair chance of breaking through but there is simply no way Trey wouldn't have got his breakthrough here and probably would have played a good amount under Enzo this season, let alone future seasons. Unfortunately it is very difficult to stop players of his age or younger from choosing where to play, hence we try and get financial agreements in place Trey leaving though sets a dangerous precedent, we've also lost Tyrese Noubissie to Man City too although we agreed a fee with them and seemingly conducted everything to suit all parties. There will be many clubs eying our academy talent, and a lot of good work could be lost, especially in light of our financial predicaments. Fingers crossed we keep giving academy players a chance like Enzo has and they see their futures here whilst they at least break through and make it in the top 2 divisions. 3
South Shire Fox Posted 11 March 2024 Posted 11 March 2024 10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Josh is writing some really good articles for The Mercury. Further to add to this, I've been informed that the club are no way to blame for Nyoni leaving. His Dad didn't think there was a pathway for Trey to play first team football at Leicester, so wanted him to move to Liverpool. Pretty sure they all support Liverpool and obviously for a big club they have a track record for hoovering up 16-18 year old from other academies and they get a fair chance of breaking through but there is simply no way Trey wouldn't have got his breakthrough here and probably would have played a good amount under Enzo this season, let alone future seasons. Unfortunately it is very difficult to stop players of his age or younger from choosing where to play, hence we try and get financial agreements in place Trey leaving though sets a dangerous precedent, we've also lost Tyrese Noubissie to Man City too although we agreed a fee with them and seemingly conducted everything to suit all parties. There will be many clubs eying our academy talent, and a lot of good work could be lost, especially in light of our financial predicaments. Fingers crossed we keep giving academy players a chance like Enzo has and they see their futures here whilst they at least break through and make it in the top 2 divisions. Dont believe that at all. Imagine its the playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world who happened to be the team he supported part 2
Popular Post ramadaone Posted 11 March 2024 Popular Post Posted 11 March 2024 1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said: Dont believe that at all. Imagine its the playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world who happened to be the team he supported part You don't want to believe either All will become clearer during the hearing but Liverpool have been done before for tapping up so are treading on very thin ice As usual the scumbag Agents are very instrumental in players moving clubs but they never seem to end up in the dock 5
FOXSE Posted 11 March 2024 Posted 11 March 2024 3 hours ago, Ric Flair said: Josh is writing some really good articles for The Mercury. Further to add to this, I've been informed that the club are no way to blame for Nyoni leaving. His Dad didn't think there was a pathway for Trey to play first team football at Leicester, so wanted him to move to Liverpool. Pretty sure they all support Liverpool and obviously for a big club they have a track record for hoovering up 16-18 year old from other academies and they get a fair chance of breaking through but there is simply no way Trey wouldn't have got his breakthrough here and probably would have played a good amount under Enzo this season, let alone future seasons. Unfortunately it is very difficult to stop players of his age or younger from choosing where to play, hence we try and get financial agreements in place Trey leaving though sets a dangerous precedent, we've also lost Tyrese Noubissie to Man City too although we agreed a fee with them and seemingly conducted everything to suit all parties. There will be many clubs eying our academy talent, and a lot of good work could be lost, especially in light of our financial predicaments. Fingers crossed we keep giving academy players a chance like Enzo has and they see their futures here whilst they at least break through and make it in the top 2 divisions. I think the academies is the other side of the FFP/PSR rules: if you want clubs to be sustainable and for clubs to be rewarded for doing the right thing like developing talent, you can't have talented youngsters being taken from the academy for a pittance.... 4
Clever Fox Posted 11 March 2024 Posted 11 March 2024 It's a difficult one because what you're essentially talking about are Children legally speaking. The question I'd ask is why didn't the Club do enough to protect their interest in him if he was a standout talent. Did we keep the parents informed as to his progress within the Club, Or offer any financial incentive to the parents as a Family. I mean they throw away millions on Agents who are a parasite on the game. I also think whatever tribunal makes a judgement call on a valuation, There should also be a guaranteed percentage of any big money future Transfer certainly with a timeframe say up to 30 years of age. Surely that only seems fair.
Jimmy Posted 13 March 2024 Posted 13 March 2024 whilst I don't want to see Braybrooke rushed back before he's ready get him training with the first team ASAP, I think Enzo will love him 3
ALC Fox Posted 13 March 2024 Posted 13 March 2024 4 hours ago, Jimmy said: whilst I don't want to see Braybrooke rushed back before he's ready get him training with the first team ASAP, I think Enzo will love him We probably wouldn't have needed to chase Sensi with him as backup to Winks. I think he'd take to the Prem like a duck to water in Enzo's system as well. Let's hope he's able to rediscover the form that made him so promising before the injury. 2
UniFox21 Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 19 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said: Can see why he isn't a keeper
AjcW Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 Well we'll soon find out, U21's play tonight at Villa so technically he could have still trained with 1st team and gone to that also. Was wondering whether Alves might get minutes tonight too, pretty sure he's at his 4 weeks since the last injury?
GingerrrFox Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 30 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I wonder if Enzo knows who he is yet? 😂 Surely makes the bench Sunday? With no Ricky P available we don’t have many options to play in that double pivot effectively
Jimmy Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 after only 120 minute cameo in the U21s? I'd love to see it but its very fast 1
st albans fox Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 1 hour ago, AjcW said: Well we'll soon find out, U21's play tonight at Villa so technically he could have still trained with 1st team and gone to that also. Was wondering whether Alves might get minutes tonight too, pretty sure he's at his 4 weeks since the last injury? I would hope he gets another 25 mins tonight can’t see that he gets ahead of raikhy for Sunday at this early stage of his return way too risky
AjcW Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: I would hope he gets another 25 mins tonight can’t see that he gets ahead of raikhy for Sunday at this early stage of his return way too risky If he does it’ll confirm Raikhys emergence has been nothing more than a token gesture
AjcW Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 (edited) Back to playing without a natural striker after a positive performance with one. Christ…. 3 on the bench though Edited 15 March 2024 by AjcW
moore_94 Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 Under 21s vs Aston Villa Young Cover Grist Amartey Wormleighton Braybrooke Joseph Briggs Maswanhise Raikhy Thomas Subs: Doherty, Ewing, Richards, Popov, Pennant
moore_94 Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 3 minutes ago, AjcW said: Back to playing without a natural striker after a positive performance with one. Christ…. 3 on the bench though At least it isn't a 5 foot nothing striker like we have done before 1
CloudFox Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 15 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Under 21s vs Aston Villa Young Cover Grist Amartey Wormleighton Braybrooke Joseph Briggs Maswanhise Raikhy Thomas Subs: Doherty, Ewing, Richards, Popov, Pennant So no Alves, but Braybrooke starting at least. That's good! Is there any way to watch this, does anyone know? Be nice to watch our current U21s crop against our next batch.
coolhandfox Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 So no one really missing from the un21, point to us going strong on Sunday.
studentofthegame Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 1-1 after 14 mins at the moment, SIlko Thomas with ours
moore_94 Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 26 minutes ago, CloudFox said: So no Alves, but Braybrooke starting at least. That's good! Is there any way to watch this, does anyone know? Be nice to watch our current U21s crop against our next batch. Villa are streaming it but gotta pay £1.99 1
CloudFox Posted 15 March 2024 Posted 15 March 2024 37 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Villa are streaming it but gotta pay £1.99 Might actually do that you know...even just for the second half. Just checked it out, and why the hell we don't have this set up too baffles me! 1
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