Tielemans to villa

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51 minutes ago, UTV90 said:

Hello all  Villa fan here first and foremost it’s disappointing to see you guys go down it furthers validates that Premier League is corrupt following your title win there was absolutely no way in the eyes of the premier league hierarchy and scum 6 that any team would be allowed to burst the bubble again and you got cherrypicked year after year which inevitably only ends one way it happened to us During the MON years and it’s happening now to Brighton. Hopefully you bounce back up and get that next managerial appointment correct.  
 

I’m curious to understand what went wrong with Tielemans this season? Was it a case of him downing tools or disillusion of losing top players not strengthening the squad and an egomaniac in Rodgers at the helm? I know from my experience as a Villa fan how players can appear to down tools just look at the state of our club when Gerrard was in charge it’s easy to blame the players but sometimes bad form is a combination of lacking confidence and poor management , was this the case with Tielemans?

He was always an outstanding player with enough significant flaws in his game to be at Leicester rather than one of the big 6 or a big club aboard. He’s an excellent, innovative & progressive passer of the ball and he has a thunderbastard long shot. Against that he is ridiculously slow for a Premier League footballer and really struggles with getting up and down the pitch. He’s very much a rhythm player and needs regular game time to maintain his game - he’s not a player that excels in a rotation or off the bench. Over the last 18 months there’s been some serious questions about his application and effort. At times he’s looked like he’s dialled it in and it’s been quite clear that whilst he loves living in the county, he didn’t want to play for the club anymore even after Rodgers had left. Obviously the influence of pocketing the signing on fee was a key factor and he would’ve probably moved ‘sideways’ to Villa if we had stayed up. His poor last season effectively ruled out any chance of a move to a traditional big 6 and also was a factor in our relegation. As such Youri, despite his legendary FA Cup goal, hasn’t left on the greatest terms with a lot of the fans. 

[FoxyPalace.com]

Youri will be great for Villa next 18 months or so, after this the wheels will fall off and the fans will evidently see what the real Youri has to offer. We shall be watching 👀

[SpacedX]

Just now, FoxyPalace.com said:

Youri will be great for Villa next 18 months or so, after this the wheels will fall off and the fans will evidently see what the real Youri has to offer. We shall be watching 👀

Given his current form and fitness it may well be completely the reverse. If he recovers both, then we may well see something more reminiscent of what the Youri that first arrived at LCFC had to offer. 

[TeamRocket]

Why is this still open? 

[Jattdogg]

Bye sweet belgian chocolate prince.

[An Sionnach]

4 minutes ago, FoxyPalace.com said:

Youri will be great for Villa next 18 months or so, after this the wheels will fall off and the fans will evidently see what the real Youri has to offer. We shall be watching 👀

Maguire, Drinkwater, and maybe Chilwell and Fofana all overvalued. We did well there. Kante and Mahrez have maintained performance since leaving. Overall fans on here overrate our players considerably. Youri is a good player with an acute brain and on a free is a no risk addition for Villa. It will be interesting to see the length of his contract.

[weller54]

7 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Bye sweet belgian chocolate prince.

Belgium have run out of chocolate... 

Lardi Youri has noshed it all. 

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I do find it surprising that Villa have announced agreement but absolutely nothing from Tielemans side. I’m not doubting that they have an agreement in place but given the sort of person Tielemans is, could this turnip be waiting for another “better” offer to come in before signing ? I wouldn’t put it past him, he has very little class. I actually think it could be hilarious. 

On the contrary, I think he’s a class act as a person. Isn’t it more dignified to say nothing at all? 
 

I fully understand why he’s joined Villa. He won’t need to uproot his family. 
 

From what I’ve been told, Youri is a fairly quiet, family man and if he can keep his family local and not uproot them, this makes perfect sense. 

[FoxyJim1987]

2 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

It is still, in my opinion, a sideways step from we’re we were. We’d just won the FA Cup and had two 5th place finishes. They are a good team in a good place but I would very very highly doubt they make top 6 next season. Even if they did, it’s still a sideways step. 

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

[FoxyJim1987]

15 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Maguire, Drinkwater, and maybe Chilwell and Fofana all overvalued. We did well there. Kante and Mahrez have maintained performance since leaving. Overall fans on here overrate our players considerably. Youri is a good player with an acute brain and on a free is a no risk addition for Villa. It will be interesting to see the length of his contract.

I'm sure I read it's four years.

[jonathan_ross]

 

I can’t quite put my finger on what it is about him that reminds me of Paddy Kenny.

[An Sionnach]

Just now, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

Some on here will not realise that until we are 2-0 down away to Rotherham on a Wednesday evening.

[FoxyJim1987]

Just now, An Sionnach said:

Some on here will not realise that until we are 2-0 down away to Rotherham on a Wednesday evening.

Yeah it's not about it's or buts, no one knows how we will do next year we might come straight back, we might not but right now we are div 1 and Villa are top half with  European football and how some can say that's a sideways move I don't know. Then again, someone thought Castagne was Dutch so.....

[FoxyJim1987]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I do find it surprising that Villa have announced agreement but absolutely nothing from Tielemans side. I’m not doubting that they have an agreement in place but given the sort of person Tielemans is, could this turnip be waiting for another “better” offer to come in before signing ? I wouldn’t put it past him, he has very little class. I actually think it could be hilarious. 

No way. The club wouldn't make an official announcement if it was a done deal.

[Matt]

20 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

I'm going to pose alot of whataboutery here but, as we've seen competing in European competitions come at a detriment to our league form, the season before last we were in the edge of a relegation battle having a serge at the end of the season against already relegated teams or teams on the beach meaning cracks were papered over and we finished a respectable 8th.

 

Villa do look an ambitious club, decent manager and squad, but wasn't it only a season ago the same things were claimed of ourselves, the crux of peoples points are that wasn't good enough for Tielemans, he wanted to leave that, that is where people are using an argument from 18 months ago and calling it a sideways move.

 

Most were in universal agreement it was our best squad ever, we had strength in depth, how badly did that turn out - It turned into the most unlikeable squad.

 

I'm not necessarily saying they will, but what says Villa don't experience similar issues with the addition of European competition?

 

Let's not forget Villa looking like the were in this year's relegation battle, until they got a hold of the situation, something we failed to do.

 

The Premier League is a very average league, i'd say this year is the most average in years and we've been relegated.

 

It often get claimed we looked at Bowen but attitude tests put us off, If I were looking at certain players from our squad last season I think my thoughts about attitude would be very much at the forefront of my mind, they are not players that are willing to dig in during a battle, whether that be fighting for Top 4 or relegation, they have previous on both counts.

 

Edited 11 June 2023 by Matt

[UTV90]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Given his current form and fitness it may well be completely the reverse. If he recovers both, then we may well see something more reminiscent of what the Youri that first arrived at LCFC had to offer. 

Either way if he wants to play he’s going to have to earn it, Luiz and Kamara have formed quite the partnership. Looking forward to seeing him in a Villa shirt we rarely score goals from outside the box so in that respect he gives us a new dynamic. 

[SpacedX]

18 minutes ago, UTV90 said:

Either way if he wants to play he’s going to have to earn it, Luiz and Kamara have formed quite the partnership. Looking forward to seeing him in a Villa shirt we rarely score goals from outside the box so in that respect he gives us a new dynamic. 

He's never reluctant to shoot - so the odd one or two will find the back of the net. Yes, he will have to earn it, whereas here, his name was the first on the teamsheet (after Danny Ward). 

[sm1]

2 hours ago, UTV90 said:

Hello all  Villa fan here first and foremost it’s disappointing to see you guys go down it furthers validates that Premier League is corrupt following your title win there was absolutely no way in the eyes of the premier league hierarchy and scum 6 that any team would be allowed to burst the bubble again and you got cherrypicked year after year which inevitably only ends one way it happened to us During the MON years and it’s happening now to Brighton. Hopefully you bounce back up and get that next managerial appointment correct.  
 

I’m curious to understand what went wrong with Tielemans this season? Was it a case of him downing tools or disillusion of losing top players not strengthening the squad and a egomaniac in Rodgers at the helm? I know from my experience as a Villa fan how players can appear to down tools just look at the state of our club when Gerrard was in charge it’s easy to blame the players but sometimes bad form is a combination of lacking confidence and poor management , was this the case with Tielemans?

It all started 2yrs ago. We had missed CL football after bottling it for a 2nd time. Youri believed we had hit our ceiling and he wanted CL football, so he wasn't signing a contract extension. Progressively his form dropped to the point where he shouldn't have been in the team, yet our bright spark of a manager, made him our captain. The last few months when we've needed him the most, he has strolled around chewing gum. I think you'll see a different Youri, until things don't go his way, then he'll just lose interest. Its happened to him at Monaco and here, and no doubt will happen there, if things don't pan out how he wants it to. Thankfully you haven't spent 40M on him, so it's a win win situation for you.

[Wymsey]

1 hour ago, jonathan_ross said:

 

I can’t quite put my finger on what it is about him that reminds me of Paddy Kenny.

Nothing at all.

Still don't get why some think Tielemans is overweight.

Edited 11 June 2023 by Wymsey

[BKLFox]

32 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm really not sure how it's sideways?? You can't use the argument that from 18 months ago when he turned out contract down, it's the here and now. Villa are massively ambitious, have a terrific manager and squad and will be competing in the top half of the prem, whilst we are manageress, relegated and our squad depleted. It's just sour grapes. We have to face it that we are a championship club and Villa are light years ahead right now 

Comparing the 2 clubs situations in regards to leagues right now your correct it’s not a sideways moves because they are in the premiership and we now championship.

 

but I believe the comment comes from his intention to play champions league football so he believed he was good enough to play for the top 4 (2) in any European league but now sits at Villa who finished 7th and whilst in Europe it’s the cup created to appease us smaller clubs whilst the rich get richer.

 

If we had remained in the Premiership we would be grouped in the same bracket as Villa, as in 1 of those selection of clubs that will strive for being best of the rest.

You mention Villa are ambitious but it’s a club that haven’t finished in the top 10 in the previous 8 seasons with a relegation of their own and 3 seasons in the championship in that time, it’s a club that has been knocked out of the FA cup in the 3rd round for the past 7 seasons, this year by a 2nd division side whilst playing at home, so have they started to be ambitious from the 9th January 23?
So not sure other than the now differing leagues puts them “light years” ahead of us, if the gulf in leagues is light years then ok they are light years ahead of us but other than that looking at what they are & have been in the previous 9 season then they are of similar size to us and therefore would be seen as a sideways step 🤷‍♂️ 

[KingsX]

5 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Still don't get why some think Tielemans is overweight.

 

Firsthand expertise, I reckon.

 

[MrsJohnMurphy]

11 minutes ago, sm1 said:

It all started 2yrs ago. We had missed CL football after bottling it for a 2nd time. Youri believed we had hit our ceiling and he wanted CL football, so he wasn't signing a contract extension. Progressively his form dropped to the point where he shouldn't have been in the team, yet our bright spark of a manager, made him our captain. The last few months when we've needed him the most, he has strolled around chewing gum. I think you'll see a different Youri, until things don't go his way, then he'll just lose interest. Its happened to him at Monaco and here, and no doubt will happen there, if things don't pan out how he wants it to. Thankfully you haven't spent 40M on him, so it's a win win situation for you.

I'm thankful we did spend the 40 million, how much would you spend for an FA Cup?

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 hours ago, JimJams said:

How has he took a risk? He didn't turn down an offer from a big 6 club or any of Europe's elite. He just didn't sign with us. Where was the risk? If he'd had an offer from a top club in his time here then he'd likely have pushed for it. As is we were always a fallback as we would 100% have offered him a new contract if he didn't find a suitor.

By running his contract down in the hope he would attract a big club at the end of his contract. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

8 hours ago, smudger63 said:

I honestly can't see them finishing top 6. Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man utd, money bags Newcastle, and Chelsea who I think will be very good next season, despite the circus they were last season, will all finish above Villa, and in all likelyhood win the cups between them too. That leaves them competing with Tottenham, maybe Brighton for 7th and conference league again. As I've said elsewhere though, Villa should have a very good chance of winning the Conference league next season, and that probably gives them their best chance of making the Europa League, but no way do Villa make the Champions league, which is what Tielemans was thinking he was going to get by leaving us, when he didn't want to sign his contract with us 2 years ago. 

Yes good points.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

8 hours ago, Criggers said:

Villa could get Europe. But the PL is crazy now. Little room in the champions league places these days.

 

We really ****ed it with those two 5th places didn’t we 😂

 

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

Yep, a chance I doubt we will ever get again.