KDH Brighton

[st albans fox]

All those arguing that we shouldn’t sell because we may not go up if we do must appreciate that the club is a business. They will make judgements. If a home grown player needs to be sold for around 30m before end June then we would surely do the deal now.  we will have replacement loans lined up in case and the certainty of the deal makes our plans for the summer window easier .  Kdh could do his hammy next week and miss the next three months. stuff happens  

 

The club will make decision based on the likelihood of finishing in the top two places. They aren’t bothered about record points totals 

 

if brighton really are interested then their need for the player now will dictate their willingness to pay £30m+ before Wednesday is finished 

Edited 30 January 2024 by st albans fox

[ClaphamFox]

34 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

This is not Ornstein making stuff up for clicks and likes, there is concrete interest, De Zerbi was interviewed on Sky Sports yesterday and was asked directly about KDH, he didn’t dismiss the rumours and actually made a point of not wanting to talk about KDH out of respect for his friendship with Enzo. 
 

If we receive an offer somewhere in the region of £35m I think we will do a deal, especially if we have options lined up and i still think Ndidi will be back sooner rather than later. Selling now and maximising the fee would give us lots of scope for the summer where we will need and want to give Enzo lots of support, resources and opportunity to further shape the squad as he needs it. 
 

This is definitely not just journalists playing random transfer generator, I would not be shocked if KDH misses tonight’s game with a knock and a deal is agreed tomorrow or Thursday and we already have a loan lined up to replace him. 

Ornstein is not making it up, but it was very clear from his comments on the podcast that he hasn’t spoken to anybody at Leicester. His sources are from Brighton and the wider ‘football industry’ (as he kept referring to it) but when it came to discussing Leicester’s position, it was obvious that he didn’t have a clue - he kept referring to reports from other journalists (ie, Rob Dorsett). 
 

My takeaway was that there is no indication that Brighton will offer anything near enough to tempt us to sell. They were probably just chancing their arm because they thought we might be desperate enough to sell for a knock-down price, but it seems they were wrong. If the reports that KDH himself does not want the move are correct,  then I’d be amazed if he leaves this window. Unlike you, I fully expect him to be in our starting eleven tonight and again on Saturday. 

 

 

Edited 30 January 2024 by ClaphamFox

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

 If a home grown player needs to be sold for around 30m before end June then we would surely do the deal now.   

We would have 2 months after the season has finished to sell him, no reason we can’t do the deal then like we did with Maddison

[SkidsFox]

11 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Old man Milner in as part of the deal then?

He could come in as a mentor to our young prospects Marc and Jamie!

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, SkidsFox said:

He could come in as a mentor to our young prospects Marc and Jamie!

Agree, these young whippersnappers could blossom under his mentoring

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

We would have 2 months after the season has finished to sell him, no reason we can’t do the deal then like we did with Maddison

I agree but we run the risk of being lowballed in the summer with clubs knowing we need to sell and like Madders could mean we end up having to take a compromise reduced fee. From a purely financial perspective and maximising what we can, it makes sense to try and do the deal in this window, especially if we have a player lined up to come in as a replacement. 
 

Bear in mind it was rumoured he was pretty much gone in the summer to Fulham and we had McAtee lined up, I imagine the club have anticipated this would happen and therefore have had 4 months to line up contingency options in the event we received an acceptable offer. 

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

We would have 2 months after the season has finished to sell him, no reason we can’t do the deal then like we did with Maddison

A bird in the hand ……

brighton have had a lot of injuries - they may decide it’s worth spending more now to help with their demands this season. 

 

based on their general frugal approach that’s doubtful - unless they really want him and worry another club could appear in June. 

[Raj]

 

[Lesta Legend]

14 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

We would have 2 months after the season has finished to sell him, no reason we can’t do the deal then like we did with Maddison

A well run club like Brighton don’t let their prized asset go during the January transfer window at the last minute, exactly what they didn’t do with Caicedo last January, they waited until the summer with European football secured. 

Edited 30 January 2024 by Lesta Legend

[Viva]

2 minutes ago, Lesta Legend said:

A well run club like Brighton don’t let their prized asset go during the January transfer window at the last minute, exactly what they didn’t do with Caicedo last January, they should waited til the summer with European football secured. 

Very different financial situation when you have been relegated. 

[ClaphamFox]

15 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I agree but we run the risk of being lowballed in the summer with clubs knowing we need to sell and like Madders could mean we end up having to take a compromise reduced fee. From a purely financial perspective and maximising what we can, it makes sense to try and do the deal in this window, especially if we have a player lined up to come in as a replacement. 
 

Bear in mind it was rumoured he was pretty much gone in the summer to Fulham and we had McAtee lined up, I imagine the club have anticipated this would happen and therefore have had 4 months to line up contingency options in the event we received an acceptable offer. 

We're being lowballed NOW! Brighton offered £20m, which is a pathetic amount of money for a player of KDH's quality.

 

Selling KDH during this window would mean the following:
 

1) We'd sell him on the cheap (because Brighton cannot afford what he is worth). In the summer, we'd very likely be negotiating as a Premier League club and there would be more buyers because there always are in the summer. Our bargaining position would be much stronger and we'd very likely get a much higher fee for him.

2) We'd risk derailing our season and missing out on promotion, which would be a disaster.

3) We'd have very little time to find a replacement of Premier League quality, which is what we'd surely be looking for if we have any ambitions for next season. If we sold KDH at the beginning of the summer, we'd have more time to find a replacement and would be more likely to attract a higher calibre of player if promotion had already been achieved.

 

Selling him now makes no sense whatsoever, either in terms of our promotion ambitions or our long-term financial position. It would be such a profoundly stupid thing to do, which is why I'm convinced it won't happen.

 

Edited 30 January 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Claudio Fannieri]

9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

A bird in the hand ……

brighton have had a lot of injuries - they may decide it’s worth spending more now to help with their demands this season. 

 

based on their general frugal approach that’s doubtful - unless they really want him and worry another club could appear in June. 

Couldn’t agree more, as for Brighton being usually frugal, they have trousered £135m in selling Caiceido and McAllister and these could rise to £170m with add ons. When you look it at that way £30m+ for a player with decent premier league experience and just approaching his prime still seems fairly sensible business, they could easily get a good 5/6 years out of him and if he can have a couple of good years where he is contributing decent goal involvement numbers then Brighton could still turn a £20m profit. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Just now, ClaphamFox said:

We're being lowballed NOW! Brighton offered £20m, which is a pathetic amount of money for a player of KDH's quality. Selling KDH in the next couple of days would mean the following:
 

1) We'd sell him on the cheap (because Brighton cannot afford what he is worth). In the summer, we'd very likely be negotiating as a Premier League club and there would be more buyers because there always are in the summer. Our bargaining position would be much stronger and we'd very likely get a much higher fee for him.

2) We'd risk derailing our season and missing out on promotion, which would be a disaster.

3) We'd have very little time to find a replacement of Premier League quality, which is what we'd surely be looking for if we have any ambitions for next season. If we sold KDH at the beginning of the summer, we'd have more time to find a replacement and would be more likely to attract a higher calibre of player if promotion had already been achieved.

 

Selling him now makes no sense whatsoever, either in terms of our promotion ambitions or our long-term financial position. It would be such a profoundly stupid thing to do, which is why I'm convinced it won't happen.

 

That is negotiation, we are offered £20m and we say £40m, we will to and fro until we end up somewhere north of £30m + some add ons and then I think we will accept. 

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

That is negotiation, we are offered £20m and we say £40m, we will to and fro until we end up somewhere north of £30m + some add ons and then I think we will accept. 

Not a chance. £30m is way too low. Plus, KDH apparently doesn't want the move anyway, so any discussion of the fee is pretty academic.

Edited 30 January 2024 by ClaphamFox

[Dahnsouff]

The ONLY possible reasons to sell KDH now is because if we did not we would somehow be blocked from being promoted (Some nefarious PSR punishment, but no idea how that would work), OR

if we did get promoted we would be blocked from transfers (PSR punishment again, but even then a year in the EPL is likely worth that pain)

[lcfc sheff]

 

I personally think we should learn from our past mistakes with regards to selling players at the right price but obviously torn as we all would be with KDH being one of our own. I’d accept £35m but we’d need to act fast to get a replacement in and there is seemingly no links which would suggest we’re likely to keep him till the summer and maybe sell him if needed.

[Gamble92]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

The ONLY possible reasons to sell KDH now is because if we did not we would somehow be blocked from being promoted (Some nefarious PSR punishment, but no idea how that would work), OR

if we did get promoted we would be blocked from transfers (PSR punishment again, but even then a year in the EPL is likely worth that pain)

I agree but no way we spend like that in summer if that's the case. 

[coolhandfox]

Not convinced by the need to sell agruement.

 

If we need to see another player for 20-30m we would have sold him in the summer.

 

The risk of going into a season and he gets injured or have a poor season would have been to greater risk to accept. 

 

The club would have done forecasting for the season, if there was a 20m hole in the accounts they would have know in the summer.

Edited 30 January 2024 by coolhandfox

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, lcfc sheff said:

 

I personally think we should learn from our past mistakes with regards to selling players at the right price but obviously torn as we all would be with KDH being one of our own. I’d accept £35m but we’d need to act fast to get a replacement in and there is seemingly no links which would suggest we’re likely to keep him till the summer and maybe sell him if needed.

January is a notoriously difficult window to do business in because so few clubs want to sell their prized assets midway through a season. Where would we find an attacking midfielder of Premier League standard in the next couple of days given that we're in the Championship and would have very little to spend? If we get promoted we'll be more of an attractive destination, would likely get a higher fee for KDH and would therefore have more money to spend on his replacement. If we're remotely bothered about avoiding relegation next season, it would make far more sense to wait until the summer to sell KDH, if indeed we have to - and that's not remotely clear either.

[Finnegan]

Can I just point out that if we were tens of millions short of meeting some FFP threshold and knew we'd be punished heavily at the end of the season - we wouldn't have spent considerable wedge on Coady, Winks, Mavididi or have a compulsory purchase agreement for nearly twenty million for Fatawu alone.

 

We didn't go "OK guys we can sign those players but only if we sell a home grown player in January for £30m+, we've got no idea if that's possible but hey let's just spend a load of money now and chance it I'm sure it'll be fine, I know we're the club that got relegated because we were too pragmatic and cautious to spend and break FFP rules but fvck it let's now just do the complete opposite for a laugh."

 

Some of you take the "lul dis club run by morons" shit way too far. 

 

Edited 30 January 2024 by Finnegan

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Not convinced by the need to sell agruement.

 

If we need to see another player for 20-30m we would have sold him in the summer.

 

The risk of going into a season and he gets injured or have a poor season would have been to greater risk to accept. 

 

The club would have done forecasting for the season, if there was a 20m hole in the accounts they would have know in the summer.

You’ve been here way too long to believe that 😄

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Can I just point out that if we were tens of millions sort of meeting some FFP threshold and knew we'd be punished heavily at the end of the season - we wouldn't have spent considerable wedge on Coady, Winks, Mavididi or have a compulsory purchase agreement for nearly twenty million for Fatawu alone.

 

We didn't go "OK guys we can sign those players but only if we sell a home grown player in January for £30m+, we've got no idea if that's possible but hey let's just spend a load of money now and chance it I'm sure it'll be fine, I know we're the club that got relegated because we were too pragmatic and cautious to spend and break FFP rules but fvck it let's now just do the complete opposite for a laugh."

 

The fact that we're negotiating so hard over how to structure the pittance we're paying for Sensi seems to indicate that we currently have very little room for manoeuvre with regards to FFP. It does not mean that we need to sell now to avoid a breach - if we were in that position, as you say, we wouldn't have spent so much last summer. And we're clearly very reluctant to sell KDH, which is a strong indication that there is no need for us to do so.

Edited 30 January 2024 by ClaphamFox

[VLC86]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Can I just point out that if we were tens of millions short of meeting some FFP threshold and knew we'd be punished heavily at the end of the season - we wouldn't have spent considerable wedge on Coady, Winks, Mavididi or have a compulsory purchase agreement for nearly twenty million for Fatawu alone.

 

We didn't go "OK guys we can sign those players but only if we sell a home grown player in January for £30m+, we've got no idea if that's possible but hey let's just spend a load of money now and chance it I'm sure it'll be fine, I know we're the club that got relegated because we were too pragmatic and cautious to spend and break FFP rules but fvck it let's now just do the complete opposite for a laugh."

 

Some of you take the "lul dis club run by morons" shit way too far. 

 

I’ve seen it argued that the club didn’t think the league would enforce the rules for such sums of money/slight delay in payments but as soon as Forest and Everton got punished that made a mockery of that tactic.

 

Might be some legs in that but otherwise, a complete shit show as above.

[CloudFox]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Can I just point out that if we were tens of millions short of meeting some FFP threshold and knew we'd be punished heavily at the end of the season - we wouldn't have spent considerable wedge on Coady, Winks, Mavididi or have a compulsory purchase agreement for nearly twenty million for Fatawu alone.

 

We didn't go "OK guys we can sign those players but only if we sell a home grown player in January for £30m+, we've got no idea if that's possible but hey let's just spend a load of money now and chance it I'm sure it'll be fine, I know we're the club that got relegated because we were too pragmatic and cautious to spend and break FFP rules but fvck it let's now just do the complete opposite for a laugh."

 

Some of you take the "lul dis club run by morons" shit way too far. 

 

👏👏👏

 

LOUDER for those in the back.

 

We've been mismanaged of late, but we're not that ****ing stupid.

[Claudio Fannieri]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Can I just point out that if we were tens of millions short of meeting some FFP threshold and knew we'd be punished heavily at the end of the season - we wouldn't have spent considerable wedge on Coady, Winks, Mavididi or have a compulsory purchase agreement for nearly twenty million for Fatawu alone.

 

We didn't go "OK guys we can sign those players but only if we sell a home grown player in January for £30m+, we've got no idea if that's possible but hey let's just spend a load of money now and chance it I'm sure it'll be fine, I know we're the club that got relegated because we were too pragmatic and cautious to spend and break FFP rules but fvck it let's now just do the complete opposite for a laugh."

 

Some of you take the "lul did club run by morons" shit way too far. 

 

Couldn’t agree more, I don’t believe we have a massive hole in our accounts, but I think the club are looking at being creative as to how we can create greater flexibility for the summer and increase our spending power. 
 

Selling KDH for anything north of £30m is reasonable business given he has scored 12 goals in his entire Leicester career, 9 of which have come this season in the championship, he has improved massively this season but at a lower level, let’s be honest we would have probably accepted £15-20m in the summer based on a very average season from him last year, so £30m + for a player who would be pure profit and effectively allow us more scope and flexibility in the summer to spend £100m + on strengthening players that are an ideal fit for how Enzo wants us to play.