Cooper - OUT

[GingerrrFox]

Ecstatic with the 3 points but he stills needs to go. We won today despite Cooper not because of him. He allowed them to build momentum in the 2nd half by persevering with tired legs for too long, he should have brought the likes of Fatawu and Edouard into the game much earlier to give us an attacking outlet.

 

There will be people in this thread tonight making out he’s the messiah and everyone who doesn’t believe in him aren’t Leicester fans and want to see the team fail blah blah blah but the writing is still on the wall, with better finishing from Bournemouth today they win that game and we’d be in the bottom 3.

[Nolucklcfc]

He’s tactically so limited it’s unreal. Faes was apparently shouting at the bench at one point to change it. 

[fox_favourite]

My thoughts on Cooper....

 

 

Aaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[winteriscoming]

I don’t think I’ve wanted a manager out after we win. More down to poor finishing from Bournemouth second half. 
Shockingly negative. 1 nil up at half time and his game plan if you can call it that is to defend all second half. 
Great rid asap. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, GingerrrFox said:

Ecstatic with the 3 points but he stills needs to go. We won today despite Cooper not because of him. He allowed them to build momentum in the 2nd half by persevering with tired legs for too long, he should have brought the likes of Fatawu and Edouard into the game much earlier to give us an attacking outlet.

 

There will be people in this thread tonight making out he’s the messiah and everyone who doesn’t believe in him aren’t Leicester fans and want to see the team fail blah blah blah but the writing is still on the wall, with better finishing from Bournemouth today they win that game and we’d be in the bottom 3.

To be fair he is Satan to the majority of posters in this thread.  So it may add a bit of balance.

He is certainly not the messiah, he has lead a low confidence team to a hard earner, yet lucky victory. I just hope that if he does remain (not bothered either way) that he can cause the group to push on from here.

[martyn]

Just now, Nolucklcfc said:

He’s tactically so limited it’s unreal. Faes was apparently shouting at the bench at one point to change it. 

If you're referring to what I think you are, Faes was screaming at Mavididi for not sprinting to give Hermansen an option to start a counter. 

[wokinghamfox]

28 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

 

Happy with 3 points.

 

But I am almost there with calls for Cooper out - not sure how much longer I like to keep my patience with Cooper.

 

Cooper was saved by a moment of brilliance and the post/bar a few times today.

 

Otherwise, we played like we are away from home playing a team a division higher.

 

We posed no threat whatsoever in the second half. We turned the ball over almost always instantly with no outlet to bring the ball upfield.  So so poor. We could not even keep the ball for more than 20 seconds. We had no clue.  If not for the post/bar and Bournemouth failing to capitalise on the numerous chances they had, we would have dropped points once again, at home.

 

Great to get three points, but so disappointed to see how we play. Second half was the worst this season. Totally dominated by Bournemouth at home.

 

We have a decent squad but we lack any plan and team selection is poor.

 

Cooper (almost) out.

Have you thought that Cooper maybe trying to play to the strengths we have? Those players looked elated to get 3 points today.  To me it looks like they are behind him and for me I'm pleased that we have 6 points.  Got to be honest our second half performance today was a concern but we are a work in progress.

[Beachyboy]

13 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

We could be so much more threatening if he simply reacted quicker to what is happening on the pitch.

It’s genuinely Cooper himself holding us back from hurting teams. We can’t keep getting to the 70th minute with zero subs made. It’s just shooting yourself in the foot. 

I feel so bad for Ricardo & Fatawu.

 

We do like to compare to previous managers. With Rogers his first 10-15 games were in February to May, where we were an established premier League team, mid table at the time, not much chance of getting relegated, fair play he did hit the ground running. Cooper hasn't had that luxury, granted Rogers threw away a lot of points in the last 20-30 minutes and we've done it what 3 times in 7 games this season. Is he the right guy hmmm probably not long term, but we are at where we are at, if he can keep us up this season I'd say he could get an offer elsewhere and we could go for someone the next level up. Lets see where we are after the next 3 games.

[Nolucklcfc]

4 minutes ago, martyn said:

If you're referring to what I think you are, Faes was screaming at Mavididi for not sprinting to give Hermansen an option to start a counter. 

Oh fair enough 

[HankMarvin]

Be cruel to sack him after a win,

 

let’s wait until his birthday 

[Claridge]

This season was always going to be a massive ask and we are not even in the bottom 3 and people are whinging like mad.I can't believe people thought it would be anything different, we have made a decent start all things considered, Cooper in

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Still out, I heard Faes was screaming in the second half at the bench to make changes for around 5 minutes and Cooper was clueless on what to do 

[markko]

On 24/09/2024 at 21:09, Fox85 said:

Do you not actually understand what your counter argument sounds like.

 

Of course he wanted the Job so did a number of managers however if you buy cheap you end up paying double or triple.

 

Do not try and justify that Leicester won't pay compensation when then are shelling out 3 year contracts for CBs and 8 million on Ayew.

 

It's so called supporters like you that are the problem 

What do you actually know? I am guessing we were not an attractive proposition. It looked nailed in we would get points deducted.

 

I have been a so called supporter for 40 odd years and clearly you feel abusing someone because their view is not the same as yours is okay.

[smudger63]

I've seen enough in our positive spells, to suggest that this group of players might just about be good enough to stay up. Unfortunately from what I've witnessed from the manager up to now, in terms of team selections, tactics, in game management, and substitutions, we won't be staying up if he stays in charge for too long. 

[foxile5]

There's more than a touch of the Rogers here. 

 

I make my subs on seventy minutes. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence. I make my substitutions on seventy minutes. 

 

It is so frustrating. He needed to make a change at 50 minutes. And it didn't need to be a like for like change. It must be so predictable coming up against him. Their substitutions were made knowing the none of our players were changing.

Edited 5 October 2024 by foxile5

[JimJams]

Cooper doesn't know how to change during a game. 

Some have asked what he's said at half time, but he didn't really need to say anything at that point. We had a lead and were competitive in the match.  The problem is that Iraola changed things.  He shored up the centre of the pitch so we had less freedom to play through and brought on Ouattara for Kluivert.  He got at us a lot more than Kluivert and put pressure on us, with the later introduction of Sinisterra and Scott and taking off their fullbacks they made positive attacking changes that completely stifled us because we simply couldn't get out.  So 2 sets of subs an hour in, change of shape, change of personnel and we didn't change anything.  Despite the fact we were under pressure.  Our first sub is a like for like change 10 minutes later for a Vardy that at that point was seeing none of the ball.  So we've brought on a striker to play in the same way?  Then 2 wingers off and 2 wingers on with Buo hanging by that point.  No shape change.  And Ayew for Soumare with 2 minutes left.

I mean what did he actually change? It's all player for player. There's no tactical adjustment. He's waited bloody ages to put them on as well leaving little time to have an effect.

 

[LcFc_Smiv]

51 minutes ago, The_Rorab said:

It's almost like some people just cover their eyes, read a final score and then assume that means everything is fine and dandy and that no one should be able to pick faults.

 

I'm definitely glad we have 3 points, don't get me wrong - but you can't just pretend today was good or showed anything other than an outlier result to our level of performance in my opinion.

 

If your main takeaway from that game was that Cooper is doing a good job setting us up in games and deserves months more then I don't know what you were watching other than the final score.

 

How we have played so far is not sustainable over an entire season, occasional wins and tight results or not.

 

I know people will want to just bask in 3 points finally, and I understand the feeling that criticism should be lessened in response, but I just didn't come out of that feeling any more positive about our survival other than the cold fact of the win.

 

I still think we desperately need him gone unless he miraculously becomes a competent tactician and with game management in the new few months, apologies for the negativity.

I don't think its a case of covering our eyes and pretending everything is ok. 3 points for us is huge, especially with the results around us, more so going into another break and with the fixtures we have to come.

 

I have nothing against Cooper, nor do I think he's the Messiah, he's just the man who's in charge of our club and I'm going to take more than the seven games he's had in one of the toughest leagues in the world to see what he can do. Some bits I've seen I've been encouraged by. I was largely scarred from our last season in the prem and how we lacked fight or grit. We had a squad far stronger than this and we rolled over far too often. I haven't seen that under Cooper, we have a spirit about us that wants to make it hard and ugly for teams. My concern is I think we make it hard for ourselves and we go a little too negative when we could be braver. I think that largely comes from the monkey on our back that was awaiting that first 3 points. Other bits of play we have had I think we've looked great, we put together some brilliant phases of passing play and break the lines, we just need to be more clinical when those chances come.

 

My honest opinion is that people on here read too much into the short term. I'm a firm believer in it takes time to build a team into what you want them to be and a squad is utilised over a season and not just seven games. My belief is he wanted to start this season making us hard to beat, and to keep building from there, yes it's slow and it's ugly at times, but I'd rather be where we are than a team like Soton who are, to me, a disaster. I think Ayew and BDR were signed as players who he could trust to just be ok for us, provide some consistency and experience to those around him and just be players he can depend on. It's a gamble as they take time away from other players, arguably it's not helping Fatawu's development but he's still young and his time will come this season. Players like Alves and McAteer I'm sure will get there chance when we have a few more points on the board and there's an appropriate time to take that opportunity. He gets criticised for being safety first but is that the worst thing? We have a lot of rebuilding to do and maybe just a case of trying to lay some foundations? 

 

Another two weeks on the training pitch and a chance to get some messages across. The monkey off of our backs, a chance to go and put a nail in the Saints coffin early doors first game back and then a big one which he will want to win as much as anyone. Let's just get behind him and see what he can do in this next run.

Edited 5 October 2024 by LcFc_Smiv

[gazzaa2]

Has to go.

[markko]

I am doubting myself. I walked home and I could have sworn we won the game and that we played reasonably well and battled hard. It must have been a mirage. Get him out, we will never win a game. He is this that and the other. Filbert the fox could do better etc. I know he is not popular but we are a bottom 3-5 side and it is not going to be easy. We are doing okay. KTF.

[dmayne7]

I was pretty neutral about Cooper when we appointed him but he's burnt all the free passes we had.

 

Today might be the worst win I've ever seen. Wasn't even like it was a great backs to the wall performance, just negative and clueless. The standard of the football from both sides was atrocious yet we still gave up so many chances whilst creating next to none of our own. How he possibly decided that we only needed to make a change in the 70th min and didn't even use the full allocation is utterly bizarre.

 

Normally a win gives you some belief but I feel like this will have done very little in that regard

[dmayne7]

5 minutes ago, markko said:

I am doubting myself. I walked home and I could have sworn we won the game and that we played reasonably well and battled hard. It must have been a mirage. Get him out, we will never win a game. He is this that and the other. Filbert the fox could do better etc. I know he is not popular but we are a bottom 3-5 side and it is not going to be easy. We are doing okay. KTF.

You thought we played reasonably well? Really. A win's a win but Bournemouth were awful and still cut us open time and again whilst we offered very little going forward.

[Gazza M]

Having taken a lot of flack, I think a win is a win and they and he got it. Still not been in the bottom 3 yet and now 5 in front of Wolves and Southampton. Let's be happy for a change! 

[fox_favourite]

Just now, Gazza M said:

Having taken a lot of flack, I think a win is a win and they and he got it. Still not been in the bottom 3 yet and now 5 in front of Wolves and Southampton. Let's be happy for a change! 

No. 

Edited 5 October 2024 by fox_favourite

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, safetosurfthisbeach said:

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous.

I suspect some of you wanting Cooper out secretly want us to lose so as to hasten his departure.

I'm embarrassed to be a Leicester fan sometimes. 

If, 2 years ago, we'd lost an extra game early on and that had prompted the board to replace Rodgers then, as long as the replacement was a little bit competent, the gain over the rest of the season would have been much more than the 3 points lost and would have kept us in the Prem.

 

So no, the comments on this thread aren't nonsense, but are based on the evidence of our performances and on the analytical abilities of fans who have followed Leicester for years and can see in which direction things are going.  On the basis of the performances so far, and the match choices made by Cooper, we will be very lucky to avoid relegation if he is kept on.

 

Were you one of those who ignored what you could see happening 2 years ago and wanted Rodgers to be given more time and chance after chance until it was too late?

Edited 5 October 2024 by deep blue
Correction

[MonarchFox]

6 points ain't bad.  It's all about staying up for me.

 

Martin and McKenna are both good managers and I like the way they set up.  However 1 point each says a lot about how hard this league is