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4 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Dyche is the best candidate available to get us promoted and stay in the division simple as really, the youth promotion comment is fine but do Burnley really have an esteemed academy? Did really great with giving people like ings,trippier,tarkowski list goes on starts. He seems to have shown faith in players that are good enough.


I don’t mind the idea of gambling with a Rohl who’s shown to be impressive so far, but Dyche should be the number 1 candidate to rebuild the club 

You missed a zero after the 1. 

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Would be a big no from me. We know his ceiling, we know the foootball we will play, we know the type of players we will sign. Massive no from me. 

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Could be okay, but just feels like the club are being lazy again, are they really exploring all options , have they made a 5 year plan, or is it just Top and Rudkin sat with a beer having a brain storm?

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1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

Could be okay, but just feels like the club are being lazy again, are they really exploring all options , have they made a 5 year plan, or is it just Top and Rudkin sat with a beer having a brain storm?

Brain storm? More like brain farts 

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16 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Not being comparable doesn’t mean minnows does it


“We will sell saleable assets and shift a few off the wage bill and we will be able to strengthen”

 

Like the goal keeper, that played 44 times 13 clean sheets or the midfielder that got 12 goals and 14 assists, and the striker that got 18 goals.

We spent a lot last time because £70m of pure profit was added to the accounts and PSR was £83m and it was touch and go if we failed it.

Next season it’s £61m and the squad needs more first team players than it did last season.

 

I think you’re overestimating the championship here though……  We can still raise decent amounts of cash… Mads and Bilal will go, between them it’s probably a shade under £50m for the pair, and the fringe players…. including the likes of Faes, Vesty, Justin, Hamza, Winks, Soumare, Ndidi… we can probably raise between £50m to £60m in funds….. the likes of Hamza will class as pure prophet, which is why we need to get him gone. 
 

Yes the situation this time around is different, but let’s not get carried away, the championship is bollocks, if we invest wisely, which we largely did the last time we were in the championship, of which some of those players will still be here…. We can still create a team good enough to piss the league. 

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6 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Dyche is the best candidate available to get us promoted and stay in the division simple as really, the youth promotion comment is fine but do Burnley really have an esteemed academy? Did really great with giving people like ings,trippier,tarkowski list goes on starts. He seems to have shown faith in players that are good enough.


I don’t mind the idea of gambling with a Rohl who’s shown to be impressive so far, but Dyche should be the number 1 candidate to rebuild the club 

The biggest issue with Dyche is, he is so far removed from what the club wants in terms of style. He will also disregard the youth…. The likes of Monga and Evans won’t get a sniff under Dyche, he likes experienced players and that’s proven in the teams he has managed. 
 

Everton this season are a massive red flag, they were absolutely hideous under him, and Moyes has completely turned things around with the same team….. 

 

Dyche will harm the forward progression of the club, whereas we are very much regressing at the moment, Maresca proved that it doesn’t take much to get us back on the right path again. 
 

We need to be looking at young managers, progressive, forward thinking and willing to work with young players. This idea Dyche will rebuild the club needs to be dropped IMO. I don’t think there’s any evidence to suggest he is the right man, just that he moans a lot and looks like a temu version of Stone Cold. 

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5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

The biggest issue with Dyche is, he is so far removed from what the club wants in terms of style. He will also disregard the youth…. The likes of Monga and Evans won’t get a sniff under Dyche, he likes experienced players and that’s proven in the teams he has managed. 
 

Everton this season are a massive red flag, they were absolutely hideous under him, and Moyes has completely turned things around with the same team….. 

 

Dyche will harm the forward progression of the club, whereas we are very much regressing at the moment, Maresca proved that it doesn’t take much to get us back on the right path again. 
 

We need to be looking at young managers, progressive, forward thinking and willing to work with young players. This idea Dyche will rebuild the club needs to be dropped IMO. I don’t think there’s any evidence to suggest he is the right man, just that he moans a lot and looks like a temu version of Stone Cold. 

I don’t really care what the club wants in style, it hasn’t worked so far. He’s got a relatively good record promoting youth and Burnley’s whole business model was developing players and selling them for a long while. 
 

He saved them from relegation under difficult circumstances twice, got stale this season sure but that happens under any manager 

 

Maresca didn’t really prove anything, he got us promoted which most managers would’ve done with the squad he had.

 

His evidence is his track record, you’re here saying there’s no evidence he’s the right man whilst there is while advocating for a young inexperienced manager lol this would be fine had we stayed up, we need a manager that won’t just get us promoted but keep us in the division and Dyche has done that. Unless you’re happy with his to continue to be a yo-yo club 

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I don't think he is the right man at the right time. I hope we are looking hard. I also hope Rudkin has nothing to do with the appointment.bwe need to appoint someone ne in Rudkins position first and then go from there, otherwise it will be more of the same

Posted
14 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I think the fact a lot of people here seem keen on Dyche is a sign of how far we’ve fallen.

 

It would be a ludicrous appointment that would yet again highlight the incompetence and lack of strategy at the club.

 

You can’t go about desperately trying to be Mini Man City, spending hundreds of millions on players who can (in theory) play that way, spend £100 million on a state of the art training ground and academy….then hire Sean Dyche. 
 

Even if he has some short term success, he’ll turn this squad into something that very few managers will want anything to do with. It will be old and wedded to a style of play very few managers play anymore. It will brick ourselves into a corner.

 

We need discipline and a new culture, but Sean Dyche isn’t the only manager that can bring that. We have to define a style of play that we think could get us up and then set us up in Premier League going forward. All of our recruitment and managerial appointments need to centre around that, even if it takes a couple of seasons.


Now is the time to be building foundations, not patching up holes.

This is the big thing for me too. He’ll leave the next manager with Michael Keane, Ashley Barnes and Ashley Westwood etc to clear out. He only signs one type of player. 
 

We need to rebuild this club, not make even more of a mess. 

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22 hours ago, teblin said:

I’m not young btw. 
 

I didn’t see McClintock but witnessed pleat, I was meaning more of a return to the more direct football of the 90s under O’Neill, little and to some extent Adam’s.

 

My opinion was formed from talking to people, the older people I have spoken to have said Dyche younger people have mentioned other names.


Sorry didn’t mean to cause offence. Though not being young I thought I was ok to make the comment. 

 

I'm just passed off with the labeling on here.

 

Your old so you don't sing and must eat prawn sandwiches.

 

Sorry it's not you personally. You was just the unlucky one that pushed me over the edge 😆 🤣 

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Can't believe anybody would see how much better Everton got immediately after sacking Dyche for Moyes and think that Dyche is the right choice for us.

Posted
26 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I think the fact a lot of people here seem keen on Dyche is a sign of how far we’ve fallen.

 

It would be a ludicrous appointment that would yet again highlight the incompetence and lack of strategy at the club.

 

You can’t go about desperately trying to be Mini Man City, spending hundreds of millions on players who can (in theory) play that way, spend £100 million on a state of the art training ground and academy….then hire Sean Dyche. 
 

Even if he has some short term success, he’ll turn this squad into something that very few managers will want anything to do with. It will be old and wedded to a style of play very few managers play anymore. It will brick ourselves into a corner.

 

We need discipline and a new culture, but Sean Dyche isn’t the only manager that can bring that. We have to define a style of play that we think could get us up and then set us up in Premier League going forward. All of our recruitment and managerial appointments need to centre around that, even if it takes a couple of seasons.


Now is the time to be building foundations, not patching up holes.

actual sense, but some of our fans dont see it that way

and if our fans look at it the other way, Dyche wouldnt be the right fit for us either

 

 

Posted
31 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I think the fact a lot of people here seem keen on Dyche is a sign of how far we’ve fallen.

 

It would be a ludicrous appointment that would yet again highlight the incompetence and lack of strategy at the club.

 

You can’t go about desperately trying to be Mini Man City, spending hundreds of millions on players who can (in theory) play that way, spend £100 million on a state of the art training ground and academy….then hire Sean Dyche. 
 

Even if he has some short term success, he’ll turn this squad into something that very few managers will want anything to do with. It will be old and wedded to a style of play very few managers play anymore. It will brick ourselves into a corner.

 

We need discipline and a new culture, but Sean Dyche isn’t the only manager that can bring that. We have to define a style of play that we think could get us up and then set us up in Premier League going forward. All of our recruitment and managerial appointments need to centre around that, even if it takes a couple of seasons.


Now is the time to be building foundations, not patching up holes.

Perfectly put.

Posted
1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I don’t really care what the club wants in style, it hasn’t worked so far. He’s got a relatively good record promoting youth and Burnley’s whole business model was developing players and selling them for a long while. 
 

He saved them from relegation under difficult circumstances twice, got stale this season sure but that happens under any manager 

 

Maresca didn’t really prove anything, he got us promoted which most managers would’ve done with the squad he had.

 

His evidence is his track record, you’re here saying there’s no evidence he’s the right man whilst there is while advocating for a young inexperienced manager lol this would be fine had we stayed up, we need a manager that won’t just get us promoted but keep us in the division and Dyche has done that. Unless you’re happy with his to continue to be a yo-yo club 

Well, it doesn’t matter if you care or not, the club wants a specific style, so that’s what they will look to achieve. 
 

Has he? I stand to be corrected by @dsr-burnley but I have never known Dyche to be a promoter of youth to the extent we have been? Nor do I recall Burnley having a model of selling home grown assets to then sell on….

 

He did, but he had a squad that suited him, they were scrappers and that where Dyche thrives…. But there’s no long term future with him, what we need is someone with a long term vision, Dyche would change everything about the club, in terms of playing style, and then once his time eventually runs out, we would need another overhaul and restart. 
 

It’s more concerning that Dyche’s track record doesn’t seem to extent beyond being a “fixer upper”. I’m of the opinion we don’t need that, what we need is someone with the capability of presenting a long term plan. Inexperience doesn’t mean you can’t do the job, and neither does experience…. Anyone who suggests Maresca didn’t prove anything is just being facetious, he was exactly what we needed, yes he was stubborn and that probably held us back, but he would have learnt as he has done this season with Chelsea. But he came in and basically said, “I run the show, it’s my way or the highway”…. He proved that you can get things moving in the right direction again fairly quickly. 
 

If Dyche was to come here I’d give him a chance, but I’m extremely dubious about him, and concerned about what his forward planning would be…. I don’t agree he is a man who can rebuild the squad, he is capable of building a solid team, but I’m still not convinced he would be the man to lead the club into the future….. but I’d be happily proved wrong. 

Posted
2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I don’t really care what the club wants in style, it hasn’t worked so far. He’s got a relatively good record promoting youth and Burnley’s whole business model was developing players and selling them for a long while. 
 

He saved them from relegation under difficult circumstances twice, got stale this season sure but that happens under any manager 

 

Maresca didn’t really prove anything, he got us promoted which most managers would’ve done with the squad he had.

 

His evidence is his track record, you’re here saying there’s no evidence he’s the right man whilst there is while advocating for a young inexperienced manager lol this would be fine had we stayed up, we need a manager that won’t just get us promoted but keep us in the division and Dyche has done that. Unless you’re happy with his to continue to be a yo-yo club 

Hit us then with what young players he's brought through outside of McNeil. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Ricey said:

I think the fact a lot of people here seem keen on Dyche is a sign of how far we’ve fallen.

 

It would be a ludicrous appointment that would yet again highlight the incompetence and lack of strategy at the club.

 

You can’t go about desperately trying to be Mini Man City, spending hundreds of millions on players who can (in theory) play that way, spend £100 million on a state of the art training ground and academy….then hire Sean Dyche. 
 

Even if he has some short term success, he’ll turn this squad into something that very few managers will want anything to do with. It will be old and wedded to a style of play very few managers play anymore. It will brick ourselves into a corner.

 

We need discipline and a new culture, but Sean Dyche isn’t the only manager that can bring that. We have to define a style of play that we think could get us up and then set us up in Premier League going forward. All of our recruitment and managerial appointments need to centre around that, even if it takes a couple of seasons.


Now is the time to be building foundations, not patching up holes.

Spot on! 

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6 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Well, it doesn’t matter if you care or not, the club wants a specific style, so that’s what they will look to achieve. 
 

Has he? I stand to be corrected by @dsr-burnley but I have never known Dyche to be a promoter of youth to the extent we have been? Nor do I recall Burnley having a model of selling home grown assets to then sell on….

 

He did, but he had a squad that suited him, they were scrappers and that where Dyche thrives…. But there’s no long term future with him, what we need is someone with a long term vision, Dyche would change everything about the club, in terms of playing style, and then once his time eventually runs out, we would need another overhaul and restart. 
 

It’s more concerning that Dyche’s track record doesn’t seem to extent beyond being a “fixer upper”. I’m of the opinion we don’t need that, what we need is someone with the capability of presenting a long term plan. Inexperience doesn’t mean you can’t do the job, and neither does experience…. Anyone who suggests Maresca didn’t prove anything is just being facetious, he was exactly what we needed, yes he was stubborn and that probably held us back, but he would have learnt as he has done this season with Chelsea. But he came in and basically said, “I run the show, it’s my way or the highway”…. He proved that you can get things moving in the right direction again fairly quickly. 
 

If Dyche was to come here I’d give him a chance, but I’m extremely dubious about him, and concerned about what his forward planning would be…. I don’t agree he is a man who can rebuild the squad, he is capable of building a solid team, but I’m still not convinced he would be the man to lead the club into the future….. but I’d be happily proved wrong. 

They appointed Steve cooper I don’t think there’s a specific style they’re after 

 

not neccessairly directly through the academy, but trippier,Keane,tarkowski,McNeil,ings, Collins the list goes on of young players he brought in and they sold for massive profits once they developed them. 
 

Dyche has fixed up one club he built Burnley from a lower mid table championship team to a side who were regular present in the premier league despite no money in comparison to the rest of the prem.the idea you think we don’t need a massive reshuffle and the club needs rebuilding from the ground up is beyond delusional lol it doesn’t need to be a long term plan either, needs 3 years tops and if we want to start moving up the league we get a new gaffer in. The last 3 promoted clubs all had pragmatic managers and only silva has remained whereas the other two have upgraded and are top half currently. 

 

Maresca didn’t though, he won the league with the league favourites, we have no idea if anything of this would’ve held water in the premier league because he left.

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5 minutes ago, MPH said:


 

 

what do people know about Liam manning, who is also mentioned as a contender in this article?

He's a mediocre championship manager who managed to get a mediocre team that haven't been in the playoffs for a long time into the playoffs, got absolutely schooled by Sheff Utd.

 

I mean honestly if these are the best that Rudkin can come up with we may as well save the money and stick with Rudd at least then we wont have to sack 2 managers in a PSR cycle again. 

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10 minutes ago, MPH said:


 

 

what do people know about Liam manning, who is also mentioned as a contender in this article?

Typical City group type. HOWEVER... has had success in his early managerial journey in the football league.

 

There's also a chance the club may be aware of him from his time in Belgium, may even have spoke to him about OHL job.

 

He inherited a 'fixed' Bristol City from Nigel, but once again he's been let down by the Bristol city owners who have form for it. Signed players he didn't want, loaned out players he neded. They've massively overperformed this season.

 

He's also had the year from hell from a personal point of view but handled himself incredibly. They'll bow out tonight but it's their highest finish in a long long time. 

 

I watch a lot of Bristol City (friend is a fan), it's possession based but he's not affraid to be a bit more direct at times.


It would be a punt and I'm not sure we'd take a risk as I think financially we HAVE to come straight back up or Macquarie essentially own us.

 

*He's also often on the phone to Nigel and I believe Nigel personally recommended him for the job.

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