Premier League has charged LCFC with an alleged breach of PSR

[Spiritwalker]

6 hours ago, Foxes1 said:

Because they have us mixed up with Man City, so nobody knows how long it will take 

Let’s hope so, we might get away with it.

[grth2004]

13 hours ago, JimJams said:

Ok but you could have took 27 points off and STILL been in the playoffs that season.

 

You could have taken 30 points off of Leeds or Burnley last season and they'd still have finished in the playoffs. 

Yeah exactly , I said we would sneak into the playoffs if we’re lucky. 
some people seem to think we will storm automatic promotion with points deduction which is extremely unlikely in my opinion 

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, grth2004 said:

Yeah exactly , I said we would sneak into the playoffs if we’re lucky. 
some people seem to think we will storm automatic promotion with points deduction which is extremely unlikely in my opinion 

I don't see any evidence any team are better than us in this division. When we get going I think we will get 90+. Just need the deduction to be 4-6 points and it's HMS PISS THE LEAGUE 

 

GIMME A BEEP BEEP

[mancunianfox]

Brighton have coped by doing exactly what the rules are designed to do – don’t offer second contracts, sell all your players on to the bigger clubs and sacrifice any chance of success for your own club. They’re hardly a shining example of how these rules make smaller clubs competitive; they have won and will not win, naff all.

[Grebfromgrebland]

1 hour ago, mancunianfox said:

Brighton have coped by doing exactly what the rules are designed to do – don’t offer second contracts, sell all your players on to the bigger clubs and sacrifice any chance of success for your own club. They’re hardly a shining example of how these rules make smaller clubs competitive; they have won and will not win, naff all.

Brighton haven't won the league nor chased top 4 in the way we did and they haven't won the fa cup.

 

We tried to compete with the big boys and then realised we're not actually that big.

[orangecity23]

Brighton are living large on the money from the big sales they've made to the big 6. If that pipeline were to dry up for whatever reason, be that bad recruitment, or the big 6 choosing to cut back on spending, or spend their ill gotten gains elsewhere, then they might not be as profitable or financially viable as they are now. They have to keep an iron grip on the wage bill, and that isn't the easiest thing to do when every other club in the division isn't necessarily doing that, and you've got agents agitating your best players to tell them they are underpaid all the time.

[Stadt]

4 hours ago, orangecity23 said:

Brighton are living large on the money from the big sales they've made to the big 6. If that pipeline were to dry up for whatever reason, be that bad recruitment, or the big 6 choosing to cut back on spending, or spend their ill gotten gains elsewhere, then they might not be as profitable or financially viable as they are now. They have to keep an iron grip on the wage bill, and that isn't the easiest thing to do when every other club in the division isn't necessarily doing that, and you've got agents agitating your best players to tell them they are underpaid all the time.

When it's underpinned by good people and processes though they'll continue to prosper. Most other clubs have gotten smarter with their analytics but Bloom has a data background himself - so his backroom hires and how the data is used is leagues ahead of clubs without data-minded higher ups. 

 

They might make some poorer (relatively) recruitment choices but institutionally they'll learn from it in a way Man United won't, or we didn't. If the big 6 cut back on spending it'd arguably benefit Brighton because those above them in the table would be weaker, they'd keep their better players and be able to mount a better challenge as they're not replacing ~2 or 3 players every year.

 

My criticism would be the sell-to-reinvest-model doesn't ever really culminate in success because you're always a rolling 2 seasons away from it. Dortmund, Frankfurt, Lille (maybe less so) et al never really convert big sales into success.

Edited 15 October 2025 by Stadt

[Bourbon Fox]

2 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Brighton haven't won the league nor chased top 4 in the way we did and they haven't won the fa cup.

 

We tried to compete with the big boys and then realised we're not actually that big.

We gambled and it nearly came off.

 

Unfortunately we then put too much power in the hands of Brendan, who bled us dry

[orangecity23]

21 minutes ago, Stadt said:

When it's underpinned by good people and processes though they'll continue to prosper. Most other clubs have gotten smarter with their analytics but Bloom has a data background himself so his backroom hires and how the data is used is leagues ahead of club without data minded higher ups. 

 

They might make some poorer (relatively) recruitment choices bu institutionally they'll learn from it in a way Man United won't or we didn't. If the big 6 cut back on spending it'd arguably benefit Brighton because those above them in the table would be weaker, they'd keep their bette players and be able to  count a better challenge because they're no replacing ~2 or 3 players every year.

 

My criticism would be the sell to reinvest model doesn't ever really culminate in success because you're always a rolling 2 seasons away from it. Dortmund, Frankfurt, Lille (maybe less so) et al never really convert big sales into success.

If their good structure comes from Bloom himself downwards then they will probably be fine long term, although they have to contend with the Big 6 poaching their staff as well as their players. Our problems stemmed from the fact that all the best parts of our off the field structure came from Pearson, not the higher up leadership of the club, so once he was gone, the whole thing eroded as key staff left and were poorly replaced, coupled with some extremely poor decision making at the top.

[BKLFox]

22 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

We gambled and it nearly came off.

 

Unfortunately we then put too much power in the hands of Brendan, who bled us dry

Like him or not we don’t push on to the top 5 places or FA cup without him.

We could have stuck with a manager happy to restart every season after losing their better players and not seeing profits pumped back into playing staff, with a club view of just stay in the league.

The issues come after twisting and then not fully achieving but even then achieving means successive years and adding proven quality to keep that success rolling.

We can all sit and blame Rodgers but does that also mean that Emery is to blame for issues that Villa now find themselves in after trying to run with the big boys?

 

I’d wager the likes of Glasner, Iraola & Hurzeler (although the latter might not be thinking this just yet) will be wanting their clubs to push on and build on the successes they have had in the past year or 2, this is when you will see how well those clubs are run, you can almost guarantee the 2 former names won’t be at their clubs much past their current contracts if the board don’t twist & change their operating model.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 October 2025 by BKLFox

[urban.spaceman]

19 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

You can argue that we should not have had too, but our failure to adapt was why we ended us hamstringing ourselves. Yes, it would have meant reigning in our ambitions, or at least rescheduling them for the longer term, but we did fail to adapt. I realise you are not suggesting we are blameless, nor am I that the authorities do seek to ensure all eyes remain on the more globally desirable clubs, but I think there is enough blame to go around on all sides tbh.

We shouldn't have had to reign in our ambitions IMO - especially when we'd already been punished by the rules for winning the league. The club managed the situation horribly but the failure to adapt was 'baked in' by the nature of the rules themselves. You can't reign in spending that easily in the space of a season or two when you've already committed to multi season contracts. It's like being caught by a speed camera coming off the slip road of the motorway when it's placed a foot behind a 5mph sign. "Slowing down" in that respect was impossible. 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Brighton haven't won the league nor chased top 4 in the way we did and they haven't won the fa cup.

 

We tried to compete with the big boys and then realised we're not actually that big they will literally set up their own leagues, force the authorities to change the rules of every single competition to be even more in their favour, then break their own rules with absolute impunity rather than allow any other club to compete with them fairly.

[Stadt]

32 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

If their good structure comes from Bloom himself downwards then they will probably be fine long term, although they have to contend with the Big 6 poaching their staff as well as their players. Our problems stemmed from the fact that all the best parts of our off the field structure came from Pearson, not the higher up leadership of the club, so once he was gone, the whole thing eroded as key staff left and were poorly replaced, coupled with some extremely poor decision making at the top.

Exactly. Rudkin is threatened by anybody with an ounce of knowledge - it's not surprising the well regarded types who have joined McGuinness, Sormaz, Macia etc all left sharpish. We have a clueless owner and an inept DoF without any systems in place so it's recipe for disaster. We appointed Martyn Glover via a recruitment firm - that should be a straightforward hire ffs. They have so little knowledge as witnessed by the depth of our managerial searches being out of work managers or recommendations from elsewhere.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, orangecity23 said:

If their good structure comes from Bloom himself downwards then they will probably be fine long term, although they have to contend with the Big 6 poaching their staff as well as their players. Our problems stemmed from the fact that all the best parts of our off the field structure came from Pearson, not the higher up leadership of the club, so once he was gone, the whole thing eroded as key staff left and were poorly replaced, coupled with some extremely poor decision making at the top.

People have been saying this about Brighton losing staff as well as players for ages, both have happened and so far they've been fine

[Jazzy_Jeff]

What’s frustrating is that we traded really well pre the Daka/Soumare summer.

 

The issue was we didn’t make a sale that summer and over 2/3 years we dished out some big contracts - the majority pre-PSR.

 

Those are mitigating factors, combining them with the fact that we had adhered to previous rules (due to a loophole admittedly) and have severely cut costs in the last couple of years we might be ok.

[Lambert09]

14 hours ago, mancunianfox said:

Brighton have coped by doing exactly what the rules are designed to do – don’t offer second contracts, sell all your players on to the bigger clubs and sacrifice any chance of success for your own club. They’re hardly a shining example of how these rules make smaller clubs competitive; they have won and will not win, naff all.

Well said. Brighton have gained respect from the masses, but that’s simply because fans are weirdly obsessed with the actual business side of football. I think Brighton will look back and realise they wasted their golden generation and likely best opportunity to have a real go at something and that’s largely down to these rules.  They are closer to doing a spurs then a Leicester.

 

football is gross right now, I find it hard watching what’s happening to palace, selling everyone one, booted out of Europe for paperwork, it’s all just anti competitive. 
 

Bournemouth will be the next ones to be commended globally for taking their place in the food chain and kindly selling on their hard work to the big boys that come knocking. It’s all well and good but the people responsible for that building will eventually be poached as well and then they will fall away again… that’s the way it is all supposed to go 

[fox_favourite]

To me, football is slowly dying. It's all based on paperwork, financial muscle and rules that definitely benefit the established 'big clubs'. 

 

We talk about lawyers finding loop holes, owners selling assets to themselves quite openly and obviously, yet it's allowed. We talk about PSR, like this thread. There is talk about playing games abroad, it's ridiculous. 

 

The game is getting boring. A team dares to dream, yet a few years later they are struggling. 

 

Football is about paper pushing and money, and not about the actual game for fans to enjoy any more. Sad times. 

Edited 16 October 2025 by fox_favourite

[filbertway]

Still seeing people crying because soke clubs haven't decided to spunk 4 or 5 million a year on poor to average players

 

Still seeing people crying because their are rules in place to actively discourage people running up 100s of millions of pounds losses for the clubs.

 

You're genuinely insane people

 

[BKLFox]

Wouldn’t a better concept be to hold owners personally accountable as opposed to the ‘Club’?

 

Again I go back to Reading or currently Sheff W probably could throw in Wigan, Bolton & Portsmouth also as the rules damage what they state they are trying to guard against, Clubs, players, fans, communities.

An owner has no real affiliation to a club, it’s generally a play thing, the must have like a super yacht or their own island it’s all about 1 up man ship when you have that much money, my clubs bigger than your club.

So you say well if they that rich they won’t care about personal fines to them not the club as they could afford it but the other thing about multiple billionaires is they don’t like their own personal wealth hit.

Currently they say fec it fold the club for all I care I’m stripping assets and getting out of here onto the next but hitting them directly will ensure they keep the club on the straight and narrow as they don’t want to be held accountable directly.

 

This is just me thinking out loud on a Thursday morning and I guess there are some measures in place, could also argue won’t affect a state owned club but anythings better than seeing local communities decimated due to the current “custodian” of a 150+yr old institution shirking responsibility 🤷‍♂️.

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Wouldn’t a better concept be to hold owners personally accountable as opposed to the ‘Club’?

 

Again I go back to Reading or currently Sheff W probably could throw in Wigan, Bolton & Portsmouth also as the rules damage what they state they are trying to guard against, Clubs, players, fans, communities.

An owner has no real affiliation to a club, it’s generally a play thing, the must have like a super yacht or their own island it’s all about 1 up man ship when you have that much money, my clubs bigger than your club.

So you say well if they that rich they won’t care about personal fines to them not the club as they could afford it but the other thing about multiple billionaires is they don’t like their own personal wealth hit.

Currently they say fec it fold the club for all I care I’m stripping assets and getting out of here onto the next but hitting them directly will ensure they keep the club on the straight and narrow as they don’t want to be held accountable directly.

 

This is just me thinking out loud on a Thursday morning and I guess there are some measures in place, could also argue won’t affect a state owned club but anythings better than seeing local communities decimated due to the current “custodian” of a 150+yr old institution shirking responsibility 🤷‍♂️.

I'd definitely be in favour of owners being allowed to put in their own money if they want. They have to be legally liable for any overspending on coaching/playing staff that takes spending above 95% of the club's income and the money has to be put in a 3rd party account upfront.

 

If they decide they want to sell up, then the buying party has to agree to cover the budget in place.

 

Obviously it's more complex than I'm making it sound, but something like that would be fine by me. What I'm not a fan of is my club losing 50-100 million a year "cuz we had to have a go"

 

If you only define success as winning, rather than being able to compete to your best, within your means, then you're going to be disappointed a lot of the time.

[Pliskin]

5 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

To me, football is slowly dying. It's all based on paperwork, financial muscle and rules that definitely benefit the established 'big clubs'. 

 

We talk about lawyers finding loop holes, owners selling assets to themselves quite openly and obviously, yet it's allowed. We talk about PSR, like this thread. There is talk about playing games abroad, it's ridiculous. 

 

The game is getting boring. A team dares to dream, yet a few years later they are struggling. 

 

Football is about paper pushing and money, and not about the actual game for fans to enjoy any more. Sad times. 

Football is already dead, died along time ago, even the so called “power houses” are crap now…. I mean look at United….. they’re pathetic. 
 

 

The whole system is tired, corrupt and broken, lots of people are losing interest, I’m one of 3 last standing now still with season tickets from my group, there was 8 of us. And we’ve had them since around 1997…. If we don’t go up this year I’m done I think, because it just isn’t worth it anymore, I’m fast losing interest in the whole game from top to bottom….. you need got knows how many subscriptions to watch it….. it’s all just a farce. 
 

Even going to the KP is rubbish, the whole experience is crap, there’s no entertainment, the food and drink is over priced and shit, everything about the club just seems lazy now and as if the board simply can’t be arsed with it anymore. 
 

It’s why the suggestions of a super league are being tested….. the world wide desire for a closed shop NFL style league format is there in my opinion, and it’s only a matter of time before it’s suggested. It’s arguably what the younger kids want, my mates lads can’t decide who they want to support, he’s been a City season ticket holder for years but his lads just support whoever Mbappe plays for, Man City and Inter Miami. 
 

I feel like I sound like on of those old sweats, but just my feelings towards the game now….. the mystique that made us fall in love with the game isn’t there anymore. 
 

The Gazza’s the baggy shirts, the Matty Elliott’s and Izzets on the piss after a 3pm kick off. The football I fell in love with had a rogue honesty about it, and that just isn’t there anymore. It’s all boring. The EPL and EFL seemingly won’t rest until they’ve buried us alive and seen us off once and for all. 
 

It has all just become so tiresome, we’ve just had a remarkable decade, but at what cost? Seemingly the club is a soulless vessel drifting into the abyss… and soon all we will have is distant memories of a golden period the cling onto, and whatever is left of the football club. 

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Football is already dead, died along time ago, even the so called “power houses” are crap now…. I mean look at United….. they’re pathetic. 
 

 

The whole system is tired, corrupt and broken, lots of people are losing interest, I’m one of 3 last standing now still with season tickets from my group, there was 8 of us. And we’ve had them since around 1997…. If we don’t go up this year I’m done I think, because it just isn’t worth it anymore, I’m fast losing interest in the whole game from top to bottom….. you need got knows how many subscriptions to watch it….. it’s all just a farce. 
 

Even going to the KP is rubbish, the whole experience is crap, there’s no entertainment, the food and drink is over priced and shit, everything about the club just seems lazy now and as if the board simply can’t be arsed with it anymore. 
 

It’s why the suggestions of a super league are being tested….. the world wide desire for a closed shop NFL style league format is there in my opinion, and it’s only a matter of time before it’s suggested. It’s arguably what the younger kids want, my mates lads can’t decide who they want to support, he’s been a City season ticket holder for years but his lads just support whoever Mbappe plays for, Man City and Inter Miami. 
 

I feel like I sound like on of those old sweats, but just my feelings towards the game now….. the mystique that made us fall in love with the game isn’t there anymore. 
 

The Gazza’s the baggy shirts, the Matty Elliott’s and Izzets on the piss after a 3pm kick off. The football I fell in love with had a rogue honesty about it, and that just isn’t there anymore. It’s all boring. The EPL and EFL seemingly won’t rest until they’ve buried us alive and seen us off once and for all. 
 

It has all just become so tiresome, we’ve just had a remarkable decade, but at what cost? Seemingly the club is a soulless vessel drifting into the abyss… and soon all we will have is distant memories of a golden period the cling onto, and whatever is left of the football club. 

[Kitchandro]

20 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Like him or not we don’t push on to the top 5 places or FA cup without him.

We could have stuck with a manager happy to restart every season after losing their better players and not seeing profits pumped back into playing staff, with a club view of just stay in the league.

The issues come after twisting and then not fully achieving but even then achieving means successive years and adding proven quality to keep that success rolling.

We can all sit and blame Rodgers but does that also mean that Emery is to blame for issues that Villa now find themselves in after trying to run with the big boys?

 

I’d wager the likes of Glasner, Iraola & Hurzeler (although the latter might not be thinking this just yet) will be wanting their clubs to push on and build on the successes they have had in the past year or 2, this is when you will see how well those clubs are run, you can almost guarantee the 2 former names won’t be at their clubs much past their current contracts if the board don’t twist & change their operating model.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Completely disagree, and Emery finished in the top 4 with a weaker group of players than we had under Rodgers. 
 

Not that the comparison is relevant in the slightest. Emery hasn’t intentionally bled the club dry, called us a shit club, frozen out players for his own arrogance, changed the style of play for his own arrogance even when it was working, brought in his own scout to make signings that have brought the club to its knees, etc. 

[Stadt]

14 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Well said. Brighton have gained respect from the masses, but that’s simply because fans are weirdly obsessed with the actual business side of football. I think Brighton will look back and realise they wasted their golden generation and likely best opportunity to have a real go at something and that’s largely down to these rules.  They are closer to doing a spurs then a Leicester.

 

football is gross right now, I find it hard watching what’s happening to palace, selling everyone one, booted out of Europe for paperwork, it’s all just anti competitive. 
 

Bournemouth will be the next ones to be commended globally for taking their place in the food chain and kindly selling on their hard work to the big boys that come knocking. It’s all well and good but the people responsible for that building will eventually be poached as well and then they will fall away again… that’s the way it is all supposed to go 

Your post just sort of assumes Brighton will decline. We don’t know what their golden generation is - they peaked under De Zerbi but there’s no sign they’re going to fall away with how young and talent their squad is.

 

There’s a sentiment on here that actually these clubs aren’t very smart because they haven’t won anything. We did win a couple of things and as the ownership have proved since - it was essentially nothing to do with their strategic input.

 

Brighton surpassed us in about 4 years despite us having a monumental head start, we won stuff which is amazing but it’s not a stick to beat other clubs with because we’ve proved it was built on sand.

Edited 16 October 2025 by Stadt

[BKLFox]

14 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Completely disagree, and Emery finished in the top 4 with a weaker group of players than we had under Rodgers. 
 

Not that the comparison is relevant in the slightest. Emery hasn’t intentionally bled the club dry, called us a shit club, frozen out players for his own arrogance, changed the style of play for his own arrogance even when it was working, brought in his own scout to make signings that have brought the club to its knees, etc. 

You’ll probably find that there are more similarities than you think, Villa are sailing very close to the wind with PSR reporting losses of £119m 22/23 & £89m 23/24 and even closer with a UEFA charge hanging over them.

Villa fans are turning on Emery, he’s spent €400m since turning up in Oct 22 that’s 2.5 seasons and yet only 4 players are probably rated by their fans.

 

He got a mid table team much like ourselves to 1 top 4 place then dropped to 6th and currently sitting 13th. He has called out his players recently and stormed off down the tunnel without acknowledging the fans up setting.

 

Im not using Rodgers as a if it wasn’t him we wouldn’t have, I’m saying if we didn’t sign a manager ‘like him’ we wouldn’t have got the 2x Top 5s + FA cup as he was the type of manager that polished off what we had, as is Emery, the managers we were attracting at the time wouldn’t have.

 

Villa currently have operating costs of £140m per season, even with European funding and psr exempt costs it’s a big number to reduce to fit psr and this is mainly due to change in operating model and higher wages since Emery turned up…sound familiar?