Latest Fan Advisory Board (FAB) Meeting

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

The minutes say that 57 people in the email feedback for the WBA cited the boycott as the reason for not going. Such a meaningless finding if it’s being used to dismiss the impact of the boycott. People may have not responded and also non-engagement may also extend to not replying to emails, and as was said at the time if you didn’t attend for other reasons you have still fundamentally chosen to not attend and therefore boycott the game.

[The Doctor]

KPFC fans gonna be celebrating that only 57 people felt confident enough the club wouldn't be retributive enough to state their non attendance was for boycott reasons...

 

also, the wording around penalties for non attendance and price increases sounds a lot like manufacturing consent in my books

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Par for the course really, loads of bootlickers there saying shite, people grassing on "fellow" fans, club twisting the narrative at any opportunity.

 

Loads of outcry on here and twitter.

 

Registration for the next one comes round and no one with differing views bothers to register to try and challenge the status quo. One UFS member goes and gets talked over.

 

Ad infinitum. 

[PAULCFC]

2 hours ago, Livid said:

I’ve just seen that, empty seats all around the stadium recently, one the brink of League one for the second time in our history and they talk of consequences for non attendance. 
 

I don’t miss the DD payment coming out but I also don’t miss going down there that much either. If they start with this shit I’m done. 
 

So totally out of touch it’s unbelievable! 

Cancel it mate........theres loads more to life and if you know the right places to look you can watch anyway!

[Gamble92]

47 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The minutes say that 57 people in the email feedback for the WBA cited the boycott as the reason for not going. Such a meaningless finding if it’s being used to dismiss the impact of the boycott. People may have not responded and also non-engagement may also extend to not replying to emails, and as was said at the time if you didn’t attend for other reasons you have still fundamentally chosen to not attend and therefore boycott the game.

Technically anyone not going when they have a season ticket is a boycott. Whether they like it or not. Especially not going this frequently when you have a season ticket. The numbers are only inflated because it's STH not attending. 

 

So they can spin it how they want. Their North Korea style way of running things doesn't wash any more. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, VLC86 said:

If the minutes to these are very much shaped by the club, as it’s always been apparent when reading them, would there be any appetite from the @Foxes_Trust to publish their own view of these minutes?

 

I can understand why that might not be popular for people on the FAB, but I think it needs to be crystal clear what was discussed and whether it was the FAB that brought the issue to the table or the club, because at the minute that isn’t the case

 

Even bringing up the issue might drive some change.

The difficulty you have is that within the format; at maximum, the trust are only in two of the three breakout groups. Union FS is similar; two at a max. 
 

The format is normally 

- Briefing and run through topics 

- Three breakout groups 

- Summary at the end 

 

The Trust only ever have a maximum of two; FAB member plus one representative. 
 

I’ve long thought the format is pants. Cos it just becomes a moan in. There’s little conclusion, action and then result. 

 

As you’ll see from the Trust meeting minutes due out soon from Monday night, we’ve started to discuss the FEF and how now it’s been ‘test driven’ for nearly two years. So it’s been a fair crack to see where it fails IMO. 

[BenTheFox]

3 hours ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Not saying you can't have more than one complaint, with some being more important than others.. but to see comments from those meeting minutes requesting "more discount for shirts", "better food stalls" and grassing on people vaping, when the club is on its arse with very little focus on that, is seriously depressing. 

 

Another day, another push closer to being done with it. I hate sharing my club with such ****ing melts.

I'm struggling with this club at the minute. I support Leicester because I'm from Leicester, and I'm a big believer in supporting your local club. However, I don't identify with seemingly most of the Leicester fanbase at all. I'm so out of step with the fanbase that it leads me questioning what it actually is that I'm supporting. Whatever this is doesn't represent me at all. 

Edited 18 March by BenTheFox

[ozvaldo]

A total load of old shit. 

[Corky]

Penalising non attendance makes no sense here. It occurs at the top clubs with huge waiting lists and demand outstripping supply; we do not have that problem. Those season tickets, even left unused, is guaranteed income, removing them without others taking their place is a risky move.

[Gamble92]

2 minutes ago, Corky said:

Penalising non attendance makes no sense here. It occurs at the top clubs with huge waiting lists and demand outstripping supply; we do not have that problem. Those season tickets, even left unused, is guaranteed income, removing them without others taking their place is a risky move.

This is an owner who points at anyone who shouts anything in his direction to get them removed. 

[izzymuzzet]

Can anyone involved in the FAB fill us in on how the minutes are approved? 
 

Having operated a few stakeholder forums for resident groups etc in the past, circulating the draft minutes and only publishing once all attendees were broadly happy with the contents was standard practice in my sector. 
 

Do you get sight of them before they publish? Or do the club just write them up and publish without your input? 

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, VLC86 said:

Was this bit brought up by the club? Interesting wording of consequences for not using your season ticket.

Another bullet point should say

 

● Until the football club publish factual attendances that reflect any potential no shows from disgruntled season tickets holders, instead of over inflating the numbers then bollocks

[Livid]

10 hours ago, PAULCFC said:

Cancel it mate........theres loads more to life and if you know the right places to look you can watch anyway!

I am tempted, I love to watch Coalville play non league and there was a time where I wouldn’t consider missing a city home game but I now book things and don’t even give a thought to if they are at home or not. I miss quite a few because I’m doing other more enjoyable things.

 

I keep renewing because I meet some mates for a laugh down there and I don’t really miss the DD going out because they’ve been taking it for years, if they start messing me around with this  non attendance crap though that may be it. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

10 hours ago, Corky said:

Penalising non attendance makes no sense here. It occurs at the top clubs with huge waiting lists and demand outstripping supply; we do not have that problem. Those season tickets, even left unused, is guaranteed income, removing them without others taking their place is a risky move.

Yet another example of how deluded and arrogant an organisation they are when they feel they can still dictate the terms of attendance when there's 10k empty seats every home game. 

[davieG]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yet another example of how deluded and arrogant an organisation they are when they feel they can still dictate the terms of attendance when there's 10k empty seats every home game. 

They're not an innovating club they just look to see what the big boys are doing and copy them because they aspire to be one of them which is laughable considering where they've taken us too and from the heights we were at.

[Stuntman_Mike]

10 hours ago, Corky said:

Penalising non attendance makes no sense here. It occurs at the top clubs with huge waiting lists and demand outstripping supply; we do not have that problem. Those season tickets, even left unused, is guaranteed income, removing them without others taking their place is a risky move.

Exactly.

 

Their focus should be on why people aren't coming, not punishing or pushing those people away even more. It's insane.

[ian__marshall]

If they impose penalties for non attendance then I'll cancel my season ticket and take my money elsewhere.

 

The fact this is even up for discussion is ridiculous when the club is so disconnected from its fanbase, there are 000s of empty seats, and both the occasion and product on the pitch are horrendously bad. Why would anyone attempt to offer their ticket to someone else or re-list it for sale knowing full well there won't be any takers.

 

Add in changing kick off times, most of which are awkward to squeeze in with family and work commitments; if anything the fans should be compensated for not being able to attend, seeing as we put our money upfront long before any fixtures were even published. 

 

I've followed this club for well over 35 years as a proud and caring fan. I've stood by the club through some very difficult times and taken crap off mates who ridiculed my choices, but regardless I've always felt connected to both the club and the fanbase as if they were family. Yet here I am, so disillusioned with the whole thing that I'm genuinely contemplating whether to buy a season ticket elsewhere (previously unimaginable in my mind) . The feelings of pride I once had, replaced by a hollowness for an entity I no longer recognise. One that cares not for past engagement nor its historic institutional identity. I could maybe forgive past mistakes if I genuinely felt that there was acknowledgment of the situation and some attempt to build bridges, but just like the performances on the pitch, it feels like for every step forward those in charge somehow find a way to take two steps back. 

[BrummieFOX]

13 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

If they impose penalties for non attendance then I'll cancel my season ticket and take my money elsewhere.

 

The fact this is even up for discussion is ridiculous when the club is so disconnected from its fanbase, there are 000s of empty seats, and both the occasion and product on the pitch are horrendously bad. Why would anyone attempt to offer their ticket to someone else or re-list it for sale knowing full well there won't be any takers.

 

Add in changing kick off times, most of which are awkward to squeeze in with family and work commitments; if anything the fans should be compensated for not being able to attend, seeing as we put our money upfront long before any fixtures were even published. 

 

I've followed this club for well over 35 years as a proud and caring fan. I've stood by the club through some very difficult times and taken crap off mates who ridiculed my choices, but regardless I've always felt connected to both the club and the fanbase as if they were family. Yet here I am, so disillusioned with the whole thing that I'm genuinely contemplating whether to buy a season ticket elsewhere (previously unimaginable in my mind) . The feelings of pride I once had, replaced by a hollowness for an entity I no longer recognise. One that cares not for past engagement nor its historic institutional identity. I could maybe forgive past mistakes if I genuinely felt that there was acknowledgment of the situation and some attempt to build bridges, but just like the performances on the pitch, it feels like for every step forward those in charge somehow find a way to take two steps back. 

Sorry you feel this way mate, I'm exactly the same. It's really really depressing. But this is what I'm doing as well, season ticket for my local non-league side next year.

 

There's quite a nice link too as Tim Flowers is the current manager haha (although not sure for how long).

Edited 19 March by BrummieFOX

[VLC86]

14 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Exactly.

 

Their focus should be on why people aren't coming, not punishing or pushing those people away even more. It's insane.

Don’t be silly, the North Korean playbook is to beat non compliance until they comply. Let’s not be too sensible here.

 

Joking aside, it’s been mentioned that this was a small discussion point which was quickly quashed by those in the room so hopefully the club got the message.

[AjcW]

The only takeaway from that West Brom survey should be an email that went out to between 10000-15000 people received only 1200 responses.

[AKCJ]

15 hours ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Not saying you can't have more than one complaint, with some being more important than others.. but to see comments from those meeting minutes requesting "more discount for shirts", "better food stalls" and grassing on people vaping, when the club is on its arse with very little focus on that, is seriously depressing. 

 

Another day, another push closer to being done with it. I hate sharing my club with such ****ing melts.

Unfortunately a large portion (possibly even a majority) of Leicester fans are compete morons that can't handle their nose being put out of joint by a millimetre without whinging to death about it and they're unable to focus on genuine issues as a result.

[AKCJ]

Leicester fans think that Leicester fans should be punished for not attending Leicester matches.

 

Just think that through.

[Stadt]

None of these Blue Jeremies are even aware of the financial peril we’re in. More stewards for ID checks, higher prices for tickets mean fewer sold and lower receipts - all adds up. 
 

The club have indulged these types and look where it’s gotten us 

[Globalfox]

17 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Ultimately the club shaping the minutes how they see fit. 

 

The point regards ST ticket increases was made by someone who feared that the club would at one point introduce a huge increase to catch up with other clubs rather than do smaller incremental increases which are manageable. It's been unfairly worded. 

 

I'd also say he's very passionate and he gets it more than 80% of people in that room. 

 

The ID check is an issue where the majority were for them. Me and a few others pointed out it's a symptom of the priority system. 

 

The delay behind the priority system is off really. They held a 90 minute session which was pro-change of it and then did a survey which basically had top priority point holders protecting their interest. The reality is if a proposed system showed that they would still be protected then that allays fears. 

I hold my hand up I was the one that suggested they think it through. Not raising prices looks good in the short term but the many seasons in the past when the club did not do contributed to poor fiscal management and then people get hit with a wham. The issue is that many of the senior club staff do not seem to think through the longer term issues - lack of strategy. Cosbeh is also correct there is no agility in the club it takes too long as we see with the Away scheme they should have moved quicker after the 90 minute session. I often have to read the minutes several times to remind myself I was in the room. What does not come through is that there are good people with passion pushing against a wall of blandness.

[CosbehFox]

32 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Leicester fans think that Leicester fans should be punished for not attending Leicester matches.

 

Just think that through.

No because the debate wasn’t started by fans. The debate was started because the how and why people didn’t go the West Brom game. There were grumbles there I didn’t agree with - people citing why they didn’t go etc etc 
 

However the club mentioned how other clubs do actually penalise season ticket holders. That’s how it came into conversation. 
 

Apparently the club do track if there’s a pattern which points to individual cases such as as ill health, they give the affected ST holder a call. 

 

That’s the lack of context and nuance seeing it in a minute process. 
 

For example the comments around money off shirts and food etc, that’s only prompted under the proviso of added benefits to a season ticket or membership. The minutes don’t pre qualify why those comments came about. As silly as the suggestions I thought they were in my own personal view