Poor career choice

[sulfoxide]

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

[Samilktray]

Agreed

[Bourbon Fox]

Didn't stop us from buying them 

[nnfox]

We sign players and award them with the biggest contracts of their career.  Any move away from us will see a smaller pay packet.

 

If you have a four year contract and after 6 months it looks like the club isn't the right fit and you have no incentive to up your game, then there's more than a few that seem to be happy to go through the motions for 3 and a half years, rather than leave and be paid less and be expected to do more.

 

It's our fault.  We created this.

[StanSP]

Excellent summary. 

[AKCJ]

A football career is usually about 12 years long of earning top money. 

 

If you're earning something in the 30-50k bracket then you're not going to say no when some drip tells your agent they want to give you £90k a week for 6 years.

[Tommy G]

55 minutes ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

''Not giving their all'' is quickly forgotten when a club is short and a decent player with reputation is available on a free. Winks for example, will probably get a semi decent gig after us - despite not performing for the last 18 months. 

[Chelmofox]

5 minutes ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

If you are on a guaranteed contract for 5 years paying over £50k a week, you are now setup for life if you spend it wisely.

 

The only thing you have left is professional pride. For the journeyman player, what incentives are there? If you are not the standard to make international football, or your club won't challenge for Europe of Trophies, unless you have a mentality that can focus on incremental improvements in your game, what incentives are there? Its a relatively easy life to be a high paid bench warmer.

 

Its why I would rather see contracts that focussed on rewarding the right behaviours. But i would like to see this in the industry as a whole. 

[MPH]

It depends just how far the ‘ under performing’  goes. I know as an absolute FACT, it has been used before by a player who wanted to leave Leicester City and force a move. *somehow* word got round  to potentially interested clubs this was a tactic being used, reasons were given they thought supported their stance and that said player would be fully committed and energized to play for  his next club. He got the move.

 

 

id be really really surprised if this was the only player to have ever done this..

[ourla]

2 hours ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

Really not that simple.

[Blue.Fox84]

Football is a funny game

 

We won the league on players that was effectively deemed not good enough by others clubs. I’m not saying that they were as unprofessional as some of these before they joined us but players make excuses - toxic club, didn’t get the best out of them, poor training, poor managers etc 

 

Unfortunately, for the right price alot of these will move on and still earn a decent wage somewhere else, it depends if there’s a reoccurring pattern with their behaviours in the environments or finding clubs stupid enough to bring them in (us in the past 4-5 years) 

[MonarchFox]

Some of these players might actually be trying hard, management makes a big difference.  Mixed messages, no real structure of how to play and then your confidence in the team just drops.

 

I've been in that situation (not at this level) and I couldn't do anything right for half a season, thankfully the chairmen realised and got rid of the manager and all of a sudden we were back to the level of the previous season.

 

O'Neill currently prime example of that at Celtic.

 

Likewise though you wouldn't jump at the chance of signing for Leicester at the moment would you

[Lambert09]

They all land on their feet though. Let’s be real. Faes getting a gig at Monaco just shows that no matter how awful you are, there’s a door somewhere open for you 

[Richmondfox]

3 hours ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

At some point HR should’ve put Daka on a pip and sent him for retraining in another department. 

[brookfox]

It’s why we need to start re-weighting our contracts to performance and appearance related incentive based ones not just turning up. Interview with the finance guy suggested we were way behind the curve in this regard.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

Whilst I agree with your point, you have to remember that just because they play football for high wages, it doesn’t mean they aren’t affected by things like the rest of us. They’re still human beings and just as susceptible to issues around motivation and emotions as anyone else.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

When you’ve been paid shit loads here, reached your earnings ceiling and become a wealthy man who will never need to work again - why would you give a shit? And that’s what we’ve seen. The only way around that is to recruit good characters, people who have a burning desire to improve and improve. But we don’t really seem to have done that since the Pearson days with a few exceptions.

Edited 30 January by Wasyls Pec Deck

[The boy Linacre]

5 minutes ago, brookfox said:

It’s why we need to start re-weighting our contracts to performance and appearance related incentive based ones not just turning up. Interview with the finance guy suggested we were way behind the curve in this regard.

Absolutely, Rudkin & whoever else has negotiated over the last 5 years have royally screwed us over.

Betrand, Vesty 1st time round both on £65k+, Daka £80k, Soumare £80k, Winks £80-90K nd lengthy contracts, Resigning Thomas and Choudry on decent PL wages when binned off by various Champ sides, Watford, Sheff Utd, Boro etc. Coady £75k.even Nach on £80k.

I really hope they realise gong forward any new purchase is NEVER vital to a club, NONE of these changed our history or made us reach Europe or win the FA Cup or even stay up.

There is always another option that won't be much worse.

Wise up paymasters.

[Broof]

34 minutes ago, brookfox said:

It’s why we need to start re-weighting our contracts to performance and appearance related incentive based ones not just turning up. Interview with the finance guy suggested we were way behind the curve in this regard.

Will not happen under this board. They have shown zero signs of learning from any mistake. 

[justfoxes]

We have some right Donkeys who’s legs have gone can’t play for toffee on decent contracts , who would want these mercenary footballers who just warm the bench and never get on the pitch unless they are managed by Marti ?

[Danizen]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

It depends just how far the ‘ under performing’  goes. I know as an absolute FACT, it has been used before by a player who wanted to leave Leicester City and force a move. *somehow* word got round  to potentially interested clubs this was a tactic being used, reasons were given they thought supported their stance and that said player would be fully committed and energized to play for  his next club. He got the move.

 

 

id be really really surprised if this was the only player to have ever done this..

It was Danny Ward, wasn't it?

[Xen]

5 hours ago, sulfoxide said:

Surely if players don't give their all other clubs will not want them. They will be stuck in the championship or lower leagues. Its in their best interest to train hard & put in the effort.

Faes is at Monaco.

Soumare got himself a nice deal in the Saudi league.

 

Going back further, Mahrez completely downed tools to force a move, and then had some really succesful years at Man City. Fofana did the same and ended up at Chelsea (less succesfully). Plenty of others have coasted to the end of contracts or into a transfer. Heck, there'll be plenty of players who aren't giving their all because other clubs have made it known that they do want them, and its a way to 'encourage' the selling club to cash in whilst they can.

 

We've got a combination of older players who wouldnt have other clubs lining up anyway (Vestergaard, Ayew) and younger players who've probably been scoping out options for a while (Winks).

 

 

Our woeful wage structure and general recruitment has put us in a perilous position financially and given all the power away to the players/agents/opposition clubs when it comes to negotiating anything at all. Player's being disinterested is a symptom, not a cause.

[cropstonfox]

6 hours ago, Xen said:

Faes is at Monaco.

Soumare got himself a nice deal in the Saudi league.

 

Going back further, Mahrez completely downed tools to force a move, and then had some really succesful years at Man City. Fofana did the same and ended up at Chelsea (less succesfully). Plenty of others have coasted to the end of contracts or into a transfer. Heck, there'll be plenty of players who aren't giving their all because other clubs have made it known that they do want them, and its a way to 'encourage' the selling club to cash in whilst they can.

 

We've got a combination of older players who wouldnt have other clubs lining up anyway (Vestergaard, Ayew) and younger players who've probably been scoping out options for a while (Winks).

 

 

Our woeful wage structure and general recruitment has put us in a perilous position financially and given all the power away to the players/agents/opposition clubs when it comes to negotiating anything at all. Player's being disinterested is a symptom, not a cause.

Why have so many players wanted away,

Considering we pay nice high wages.

Why don't players wasn't to be here?

[JimJams]

There's different perspectives you can take assuming this thread is about Winks.

 

He's got until May to perform and put himself in the shop window for his next, possibly final contract. So he should be putting it all out there week in week out.

 

He's got until May to wait it out and avoid potential injuries which would leave him up shit creek when he's out of contract in the summer.

 

Clubs will definitely want players like this regardless of which option they choose.

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, cropstonfox said:

Why have so many players wanted away,

Considering we pay nice high wages.

Why don't players wasn't to be here?

Grass is always greener. Why did Isak down tools for Newcastle? Why did Fofana and Bilal do the same for the clubs they were at prior to us. Its football.