IF (a big if) we stay up under Rowett, do we keep him on?

[jayfox26]

I say yes for 2 reasons. 

 

1. Hes a steady pair of hands which is exactly what we need given our current situation. 

 

2. It means we wont hire Russell Martin. 

 

In all seriousness though, whilst he may not be the most glamorous of managers, we wont be able to attract any decent names with the way the club is at the moment. Wouldn't surprise me if we have further points deductions next season, so we just need to steady the ship for now and become a competitive championship side again. Squad will look very different next season, regardless of what league we are in. 

[Tommy G]

Yes

 

1) We can't attract anyone better I wouldn't of thought.

2) I don't trust Rudkin and Top to go into the market and recruit someone else.

3) He is going to be dealing with an inferior squad next season than we have this season. We won't have JJ, Winks, Mukasa, Fatawu, Ricardo (no big miss) next season don't forget. I suspect we are going to be in a relegation battle again in 26/27 if we stay up.

[Mickyblueeyes]

If he keeps us up, yes, he should get the job. I dont think he will regardless of achieving the aim. 

 

In his first home game, the club invited a previous (perhaps more glamourous) manager - in the directors box. This being a manager who the media reports we approached (and given the time it took to appoint Rowett) and were desperately waiting for. Gary Rowett is here because no one else with the experience or calibre would take the job. Top wants someone to boost his ego - it doesnt matter if he is actually the best choice for us. The new DOF will be desperate to appoint someone to make a statement. I just dont see either of them settling on Rowett. 

 

Do I think we need a manager like Rowett - abso****inglutely. Especially if he keeps us up. 

[HankMarvin]

I wonder how many people would be saying yes after the defeat to Norwich, I think it shows how far the standard has dropped that we’re relieved just to get wins on the board in this league.

 

If this is an audition for the permanent position, then Rowett needs to finish the season strongly so we go into the new season with real optimism that he can do well but if they have visions of another bullshitter taking over (Russel Martin waves)  then I’d prefer to go with someone straight talking that demands the basics.

 

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

Said the same thing before. Depends on what the project is. 

 

If its a rescue exercise again next year, low budget, still a bunch of hangers on, poor squad, need to make the most out of a crap situation? Yeah I'd keep him. 

 

If we're actually finally going to be out of the woods with most of the wage bill wiped clean, no more pending PSR problems and the ability to start growing again then I'd rather someone with a bit more upward mobility. 

 

You'd hope the new sporting director that's worked all over the world comes with a decent network of footballing knowledge which we've very much lacked to date. 

 

I completely get the logic here and a large part of me agrees with you, but I’m just a little concerned about our ability to recruit somebody with ‘upward mobility’. Based on our recent record of manager recruitment, it seems just as likely that we’d replace Rowett with a young manager with bright ideas who ends up being sacked after three months because he’s lost the dressing room and we’re hovering just above the relegation zone again. It wouldn’t necessarily happen this way, but it’s a genuine risk.

 

Given how horrendous the past few years have been, if Rowett keeps us up comfortably (as I think he will), I’d be inclined to play it safe and stick with somebody who appears to know how to control a dressing room and coach a defence. Right now, a season or two of stability appeals to me like a bucket of iced water would appeal to a man dying of thirst in a desert.

[Foxin_Mad]

If they employ another useless twat like Cifuentes just because he has a fancy Spanish name, im done with the club. It just shows how utterly awful he was, he could be the worst manager we have ever had. You have to do the basics, we are obsessed with passing it around at the back, high risk, low reward, I will never understand that 'philosophy' 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I completely get the logic here and a large part of me agrees with you, but I’m just a little concerned about our ability to recruit somebody with ‘upward mobility’. Based on our recent record of manager recruitment, it seems just as likely that we’d replace Rowett with a young manager with bright ideas who ends up being sacked after three months because he’s lost the dressing room and we’re hovering just above the relegation zone again. It wouldn’t necessarily happen this way, but it’s a genuine risk.

 

Given how horrendous the past few years have been, if Rowett keeps us up comfortably (as I think he will), I’d be inclined to play it safe and stick with somebody who appears to know how to control a dressing room and coach a defence. Right now, a season or two of stability appeals to me like a bucket of iced water would appeal to a man dying of thirst in a desert.

 

Obviously I'm working under the assumption that a change in sporting director brings broader horizons. If its a choice of Russell Martin or Gary Rowett, which everyone has concluded, then sure it's Rowett. 

 

But we've just hired a guy that's spent his young career to date trotting the globe and put him in charge of recruitment, amongst other things. You'd hope he's got a wider net than we've had previously ("filter by: time spent at Southampton.") 

 

[Foxmeister]

As far as the youth is concerned I would imagine he’s protecting them from a pretty toxic atmosphere at the KP. If Rowett is given a pre season I expect to see much more of the young guns.

[Big_Nige]

I can see it playing out the following way

 

Rowett keeps us up, quite comfortably in the end. The fans really take to Rowett, the players play for him and finally there’s a bit of positivity and togetherness between fans in the stands and players on the pitch. 

 

The board, knowing the fans are back onside are hesitant to part ways but also they don’t see him as the right fit to take the club forward. They give him a 2 year deal, but will look to get rid at the first sign of a bad run

 

 

 

Edited 11 March by Big_Nige

[Rubbersoul]

3 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

As far as the youth is concerned I would imagine he’s protecting them from a pretty toxic atmosphere at the KP. If Rowett is given a pre season I expect to see much more of the young guns.

He said post match he felt for the youngsters dropping out but we need experienced heads. 
 

I do get the logic. It’s a shame but suppose it’s such a drastic situation. 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Big_Nige said:

I can see it playing out the following way

 

Rowett keeps us up, quite comfortably in the end. The fans really take to Rowett, the players play for him and finally there’s a bit of positivity and togetherness between fans in the stands and players on the pitch. 

 

The board, knowing the fans are back onside are hesitant to part ways but also they don’t see him as the right fit to take the club forward. They give him a 2 year deal, but will look to get rid at the first sign of a bad run

 

 

 

 

For the record I reckon there's a good chance of this. 

 

Alternatively, they'll let his contract end, say that he's under consideration for the permanent position, leak the idea of someone ridiculously high profile to Tanner so the fans quickly get over Rowett then a week later hire the next Marti Cifuentes that Top thinks will turn is in to Barcelona from 2008. 

 

[Muzzy_no7]

Yes. Who else are we going to be able to tempt here in our situation? 

[HowardsBulletHeader]

55 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Yes

 

1) We can't attract anyone better I wouldn't of thought.

2) I don't trust Rudkin and Top to go into the market and recruit someone else.

3) He is going to be dealing with an inferior squad next season than we have this season. We won't have JJ, Winks, Mukasa, Fatawu, Ricardo (no big miss) next season don't forget. I suspect we are going to be in a relegation battle again in 26/27 if we stay up.

Point 3 is a big one.

 

Losing JJ and Fatawu, probably Winks too significantly damages the quality of the side.

 

Might even have clubs sniffing around Nelson.

 

It's a huge rebuild job and now he's here, I'd fancy Rowett to be the man. Mid table would do me just fine, although like others I suspect it may be a bit worse than that. 

[ALC Fox]

I don't think we're going to be magically sorted finances-wise so it makes sense to stick with him.

 

If he can keep the dressing room on his side and have us milling around the playoffs (top eight next season) that would be fine in the circumstances.

 

If he proves his worth that way then maybe he'll deserve a shot as our ambitions grow again.

 

If somehow our finances are OK next season and we can spend towards a promotion push, plus we're able to move our many rotten apples along, then maybe we look at a manager who we think can get us up straight away. I don't think we'll be in that position though.

[FerrisBueller]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

And he was here for like, two years max? 

 

It'd be like Yoann Bennalouane coming back as a coach and being heralded as like a club legend or something. 

 

Stop to talk bullshit, he's a club legend in his own right...

[MPH]

I think it depends on how we see next season. 
 

i don’t think we  honestly say we are nailed on for promotion. We have to replace some big players. It might be another season of building and getting  a couple more youngsters bedded in. I think we’ll see more growth from the youngsters  too if there’s no pressure of a free fall. It has to be Rowett next season.

[Gazza M]

Not sure he attracts interest from Thai fans. Nepo Baby will be thinking along those lines. Just depends what the egotistical board come up with and which name us drawn out of their hat. 

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, HowardsBulletHeader said:

Point 3 is a big one.

 

Losing JJ and Fatawu, probably Winks too significantly damages the quality of the side.

 

Might even have clubs sniffing around Nelson.

 

It's a huge rebuild job and now he's here, I'd fancy Rowett to be the man. Mid table would do me just fine, although like others I suspect it may be a bit worse than that. 

He's off to Chelsea.

[kingfox]

Been very much like Vicky Pollard on Rowett’s potential future at the club, yeah but no but yeah. 
 

The question I keep asking myself, do we want to rebuild with Gary Rowett? What will a rebuild under Gary Rowett look like, when his history suggests he likes proven Championship players. No doubt this team needs some stability, plus some hard-working grafters added to it in terms of the playing squad, but I wouldn’t want what Rowett did at Stoke for example, by adding players of the ilk of Tom Ince, James McClean and Sam Clucas.

[1972 Fox]

4 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

As others have said the owner won't appoint him full time. Whoever gets in front of him first and says something about Man City gets the gig.

Did Cooper say that? RvN or Marti maybe but they aren't really capable of total football.

 

Cheapest option (probably Rowett) gets the gig.

[Lambert09]

I think it’s a case of waiting until the end of the season. We are still technically in a honeymoon period. You have to see how the players react over a sustained period of time. 
 

If the effort levels are there for the rest of the season and the tactics/selections are working then of course he should get the job.  Always the chance we feel safe and the players go back to doing the same half arsed efforts as before. 
 

the problem with assessing a manager in a relegation battle is that often the players raise their games simply because the magnitude of the situation hits them. I don’t doubt rowett is the right man for the moment but it’s hard to tell if the players are putting in the effort for him or because they finally realised we’re in big trouble 

Edited 11 March by Lambert09

[CloudFox]

I'm happy he's here for 6 months and can see him doing a good job already. However, I think we need to reassess in the summer.

 

We will be in a different place, squad-wise, and will have a lot of positions/roles to fill. We need the manager from this summer onwards who can build us back up into a proper team and squad again.

 

I'm not sure Rowett has the record for that.

 

He's an excellent fire fighter and will set great foundations I hope, but not sure he's a manager who builds teams for longer term success. Happy to be proven wrong.

Edited 11 March by CloudFox

[The Horse's Mouth]

Yeah I’d keep him regardless, we need a clear out and Rowett has made a pretty good career of being efficient with what’s he’s got. Good cut of his jib and honestly feels like the first manager in a while who I get the sense genuinely wants to be here. 
 

 

[Liam0308]

The higher ups at the club want possession based football. That's not going to change and the track record suggests that rowett isnt going to provide that and have voted no. 

 

Realistically can anyone else see him being a pearson type? 

Give him a year or 2, put a bit of grit back into the displays while we promote the youngsters and shop in the loan/free/cheaper markets and steady our finances to go again?

[beepee1984]

Undecided 

 

We are 1 win in 5 and that currently is good enough to keep us up, but is that the form we need next season? 
 

We just hired a technical director that usually favours youth and academy prospects, but Rowett will always go for experience

With so many players out of contract is the players that will be brought in the experience that rowett would want or the potential McCarron will probably look for

 

Is our target next year just to avoid relegation?

 

Its too early to say, I’m not against giving him the job if he does well, but just surviving especially if WBA continues to play as bad as they are is not enough - we need to see further improvement