League One - Who manages us?

[Tommy G]

3 hours ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Wish they’d ****ing get on it with whoever it is 

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

[MattFox]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

Whole clubs been mobilised to support Aiyawatt’s ego trip on Saturday 

[Spudulike]

2 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

Probably you're right. But equally any decent coach will have other options to explore before commiting. It could be seen as desperation if the new incumbant agrees so soon.

[Nolucklcfc]

53 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

Yeah,  they are doing naff all. As per usual 

[Wymsey]

It's going to be someone very unexpected, like when Ranieri was announced, isn't it?..

 

Wait: Is Pulis on a trial period in the upcoming charity match?..

Edited 27 May by Wymsey

[Silva Fox]

32 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

It's going to be someone very unexpected, like when Ranieri was announced, isn't it?..

 

Wait: Is Pulis on a trial period in the upcoming charity match?..

Yes along with the "all stars" as his summer transfer business!

[NorthWalesFox]

After watching 2 episodes of Dear England I fully believe we should go after Joseph Fiennes as manger and Jodie Whittaker as assistant manager.

[Silebyfox_89]

Skubala contract extension at Lincoln City + Elphick to stay at Bournemouth.

 

We could do worse than go for Muscat 

[bald reynard]

15 hours ago, Outfox the Fox said:

Well, its a possibility, he has been trying to get back to the UK for a while now, but with most of his Managerial experience being in Aus and the Far East, (and his short stint in Europe with St Truiden, was a bit of a disaster), nobody has been willing to take a risk.  Rangers came close last year, but didn't bite the bullet.  His record with Melbourne, Yokohama and Shanghai is very good (but then it is Australian, Japanese & Chinese Leagues!) and he might be worth a punt in League 1.  Obviously, Shanghai might well want some decent dosh for him, depending on his contract length and amount.  One connection with City, is his Goalkeeping Coach at Shanghai, is Ian Walker.  

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/15454837/rangers-kevin-muscat-shanghai-port-salary-revealed-contingency-plan/

 

Even though his contract at Shanghai ends in December, can't see him taking a HUGE pay cut to come to us.

Edited 28 May by bald reynard

[LCFCCKEANO]

17 hours ago, Tommy G said:

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

It would be if it were an appointment without thought, but they have had a very long time since relegation, since which a whole raft of teams have brought in managers and new signings, and we are still getting tweets about a charity match(after our relegation and prior to what is in all likelihood going to be the lowest finish in our clubs history) and we still don’t even know if our part time manager is staying or going. We are about to hit June, we need to be preparing at this point for pre season and putting a squad and playing style together. We are falling into the exact same trap of the past 3 years, and when we have taken time in that period to hire, they have been arguably the worst managerial hires across the entirety of the UK, let alone in our league. At this point with our process I do agree that we should just hire, at least even if it isn’t the right person which it wouldn’t be anyway, they have time to put together their own squad during this reset and sign some of the more sought after freebies

[dmayne7]

17 hours ago, Tommy G said:

This is the wrong approach - getting someone in in May or 1st July makes no odds, but I understand your frustration- taking our time doesn’t mean we are carefully selecting an appropriate manager for the most important season for the past 20 years - it probably means we are doing f all in the background. 

It might be the wrong approach. But equally, the footballing side needs a huge overhaul so giving somebody several weeks head start to do a lot of the systems/structural side of that would be a massive benefit. But that is on the basis, that they are indeed the right person.

 

The later we leave it, the more lucky we'll need to get because even if we got the exact right fit for what we need, appointing that person several weeks into pre-season (I don't think that will actually happen, even with these jesters), will make it near impossible for that manager to have the full impact they could have done.

[ClaphamFox]

21 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

It might be the wrong approach. But equally, the footballing side needs a huge overhaul so giving somebody several weeks head start to do a lot of the systems/structural side of that would be a massive benefit. But that is on the basis, that they are indeed the right person.

 

The later we leave it, the more lucky we'll need to get because even if we got the exact right fit for what we need, appointing that person several weeks into pre-season (I don't think that will actually happen, even with these jesters), will make it near impossible for that manager to have the full impact they could have done.

I think we can all agree that in an ideal world we'd recruit the strongest candidate possible and do it quickly so that he can get cracking. Unfortunately, given that we're now in League One and our reputation has taken a massive battering over the past few years, we're going to have to work very hard to persuade any talented manager with ambition to join our 'project'. This will take time, especially if the names we're targeting are currently in work (which will mean compensation will have to be paid for them) and/or are fielding offers from other clubs.

 

If the choice is between getting in a weak/mediocre manager tomorrow or taking longer to recruit a good one, then we just have to accept it's going to take time. It's not ideal but unfortunately we're not currently attractive enough to have talented young managers beating a path to our door. 

[teblin]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think we can all agree that in an ideal world we'd recruit the strongest candidate possible and do it quickly so that he can get cracking. Unfortunately, given that we're now in League One and our reputation has taken a massive battering over the past few years, we're going to have to work very hard to persuade any talented manager with ambition to join our 'project'. This will take time, especially if the names we're targeting are currently in work (which will mean compensation will have to be paid for them) and/or are fielding offers from other clubs.

 

If the choice is between getting in a weak/mediocre manager tomorrow or taking longer to recruit a good one, then we just have to accept it's going to take time. It's not ideal but unfortunately we're not currently attractive enough to have talented young managers beating a path to our door. 

I agree we should wait to appoint the right manager, but waiting doesn’t = appointment of right manager as we know already.

[oldbluefox]

October.............."Should have waited and got the right manager in" 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, teblin said:

I agree we should wait to appoint the right manager, but waiting doesn’t = appointment of right manager as we know already.

Oh I agree. Our recent track record suggests a very real chance that we take ages and still appoint the wrong bloke. We just have to hope that McCarron's influence prevents this from happening. It's not much, but hope is all we've got. 

[teblin]

15 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Oh I agree. Our recent track record suggests a very real chance that we take ages and still appoint the wrong bloke. We just have to hope that McCarron's influence prevents this from happening. It's not much, but hope is all we've got. 

Very sad situation 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, bald reynard said:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/15454837/rangers-kevin-muscat-shanghai-port-salary-revealed-contingency-plan/

 

Even though his contract at Shanghai ends in December, can't see him taking a HUGE pay cut to come to us.

Depends how badly he wants to break into Europe. It would be a real coup for us to pull off something like this so you better believe we won’t even try 

[ClaphamFox]

22 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Depends how badly he wants to break into Europe. It would be a real coup for us to pull off something like this so you better believe we won’t even try 

We recently tried to get Enzo back. We have many problems, but a lack of delusional self-confidence doesn't seem to be among them.

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

We recently tried to get Enzo back. We have many problems, but a lack of delusional self-confidence doesn't seem to be among them.

I think that’s because they already had his phone number 

[BKLFox]

3 hours ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

It would be if it were an appointment without thought, but they have had a very long time since relegation, since which a whole raft of teams have brought in managers and new signings, and we are still getting tweets about a charity match(after our relegation and prior to what is in all likelihood going to be the lowest finish in our clubs history) and we still don’t even know if our part time manager is staying or going. We are about to hit June, we need to be preparing at this point for pre season and putting a squad and playing style together. We are falling into the exact same trap of the past 3 years, and when we have taken time in that period to hire, they have been arguably the worst managerial hires across the entirety of the UK, let alone in our league. At this point with our process I do agree that we should just hire, at least even if it isn’t the right person which it wouldn’t be anyway, they have time to put together their own squad during this reset and sign some of the more sought after freebies

Think you're being a bit loose & free with the "whole raft of teams have brought in managers & new signings......" wording as there are still 5 or 6 championship clubs with vacant positions which is pretty much as per the end of season, as well as 2 Prem clubs dropping requiring coaching staff also, ok now Nuno is staying so 1 but that was only agreed lastnight but had he not that would also cause a ripple of management movements depending on who they replaced him with.
All of those Championship clubs have been linked to names mentioned in this chat & all those clubs can offer more currently, even if short term.
It is off season & most clubs would shut down for a set period to get holidays in but i'm sure phones will be going just as agents are buzzing about, pick any name from the list of possible candidates & you can bet his agent has touted him to those 5, 6, 7 championship clubs as well as clubs abroad.

Player wise i would expect it to possibly take longer to secure top targets, 1 wait for manager if we truely want to be joined up, 2 better options for them, 3 World Cup year & whilst we & clubs around us arn't getting premier lge quality players the pyramid needs movement from the top to filter money to the bottom & that could come after the WC.
Players don't usually return from summer break until late June beginning of July & the league starts a little later this year on the 14th August (all bit there is a Carabao cup game the week before) 
The transfer window isn't actually open until the 15th June & closes 1st September, it's currently 28th May do we want to spend any cash we have on agent fees & wages of free agents?

There's a lot more variables to it than waking up going downstairs putting a pot of coffee on & making a deal on the phone, regardless of how many days its been since relegation. 

[LCFCCKEANO]

24 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Think you're being a bit loose & free with the "whole raft of teams have brought in managers & new signings......" wording as there are still 5 or 6 championship clubs with vacant positions which is pretty much as per the end of season, as well as 2 Prem clubs dropping requiring coaching staff also, ok now Nuno is staying so 1 but that was only agreed lastnight but had he not that would also cause a ripple of management movements depending on who they replaced him with.
All of those Championship clubs have been linked to names mentioned in this chat & all those clubs can offer more currently, even if short term.
It is off season & most clubs would shut down for a set period to get holidays in but i'm sure phones will be going just as agents are buzzing about, pick any name from the list of possible candidates & you can bet his agent has touted him to those 5, 6, 7 championship clubs as well as clubs abroad.

Player wise i would expect it to possibly take longer to secure top targets, 1 wait for manager if we truely want to be joined up, 2 better options for them, 3 World Cup year & whilst we & clubs around us arn't getting premier lge quality players the pyramid needs movement from the top to filter money to the bottom & that could come after the WC.
Players don't usually return from summer break until late June beginning of July & the league starts a little later this year on the 14th August (all bit there is a Carabao cup game the week before) 
The transfer window isn't actually open until the 15th June & closes 1st September, it's currently 28th May do we want to spend any cash we have on agent fees & wages of free agents?

There's a lot more variables to it than waking up going downstairs putting a pot of coffee on & making a deal on the phone, regardless of how many days its been since relegation. 

Very fair points, and I do accept a lot of what you have said and do agree with your last paragraph in particular, but that also does lend into what I have said, the time it takes to plan transfers and the fact we will need essentially a new squad and will need to sign players to our new managers plan means that free agency is massive for us. Ideally I think you would want to be at the point now where you have an idea of the manager and can start planning and scouting specifically to his idea of our future and how we will set up, and ideally do so in plenty of time to be able to approach the higher priority free agents, I.e the youngsters being released from premier league teams.

 

It is a complicated thing and if it were any other team I would be far more willing to accept it, but it is just another year where it feels we are doing the same things all over. Will be happy to hold my hands up and admit I’m wrong if it works out better.

 

Would also argue with our limited resources and massive needs we will need to target free agency and free signings

[SecretPro]

tin pot club aren't we. Like, properly tin pot. 

[blueharmie]

Mark Hughes has left Carlisle in the national league.

 

Only two league below us 🤣

Edited 28 May by blueharmie

[PhillippaT]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

tin pot club aren't we. Like, properly tin pot. 

Have they taken the family silver yet?   (I mean, that's what 'tin pot' usually means - someone gets into power and takes everything they can that isn't nailed down before hoofing it to parts unknown  (See also: the current US admin, but they managed to get support from an entire political party for that, so they have a fascist 'tin pot' government atm...)

Edited 28 May by PhillippaT

[Derby Blue]

4 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

We recently tried to get Enzo back. We have many problems, but a lack of delusional self-confidence doesn't seem to be among them.

Pep's next on their wish list 🤣