Toxic club - an inconvenient truth about our fans

[Officer Doofy]

Serf FC 

[Stadt]

We have a toxic positive section of the fanbase, the 🦊💙 mob who think if we just backed the team more (they actually had plenty of backing) inexplicably all of the clubs shortcomings... would magically vanish?

 

When has it ever been the case that the only lever for improvement was a bit of support? River Plate would be the best team in the world, Leeds probably the best club in England and so on. The owner, execs and players have gotten off lightly for the worst decline in modern English football history. The idea they should have more backing is absurd, **** off.

[davieG]

There's toxicity coming from the club to the fans.

[Foxin_Mad]

22 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Look at any club forum that has suffered 3 relegations in 4 seasons and see if it’s toxic.

 

Especially when the club is giving the signals it believes that Eveything is fine and Rudkin is at photo shoots!!

Edited 5 hours ago by Foxin_Mad

[SystonFox]

This forum has become hard to read over the last 6 months. It  is tiring reading the same thing over and over.

 

However, I don't think we as fans have gone far enough. Pitch forks should be out, heads should be rolling, players should be chased out of cities and all of that malarkey.

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, SystonFox said:

This forum has become hard to read over the last 6 months. It  is tiring reading the same thing over and over.

 

Is it not a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy though? The club keeps doing the same things, it’s like ground hog day, so really bar a miracle nothing changes, the result will be the same

[shen]

Fans are toxic because something they care for is being destroyed.

They have no power other than to pay (or abstain from paying) and voice their opinions in the stadium or online. They literally have no say in the running of the club besides what the board/owners will allow.

 

If you view this as an outcry rather than just a convenient channel to convey negative emotions, then it becomes clear that fans are just trying to tell the board, directly and indirectly, that they don't approve of the running of the club or performances on the pitch.

 

It's bizarre to call for more positivity when fan experience has generally gone (way) down, the affordability has gone down, the performances on and off the pitch have fallen off a cliff and fans feel ignored on the whole. The choices really are to stay and fight for improvement (e.g. by communicating displeasure) or simply walk away. I'm sure there are plenty of local clubs in your area that will have great fan experiences you can take your children to.

I realize this might rub many football fans the wrong way, but just because you were suckered into falling in love as a child doesn't make you duty bound to stay loyal at all costs. It really isn't that different to love or loyalty in other parts of life.

[honeybradger]

Looking at the Ghanians response to Ayew's performance last night, any other set of fans in the world would react the same way to this group of players.

 

These players and board are embarrassing, and that's not subjective, that is a universal truth. The response from fans has been entirely proportional to what we have seen on the pitch and what has been going on at the operational level of the club.

 

Are we overreacting to bringing in a manager who struggled to win games with Rangers in the Scottish League (!) and having him oversee the most pivotal season in the club's history? Not at all.

 

Personally I think Russel Martin will do fine because of the level we are playing at next season. Still you can't blame fans for reacting this way over an appointment that runs an unnecessary risk of being a total disaster and shows that the board has learned very little.

[smudgerfox]

A number of factors make our demise unusually difficult to take and make reactions more extreme ...

 

1 The speed of the fall and where we've fallen from 

 

2 Being penalised for poor financial mismanagement while repeatedly wasting money: Edouard; Ayew; Coullibally; Aribo; Carranza; pay offs for poor managerial appointments.

 

3 A sizeable group of players who have been to date and who continue sitting out lucrative contracts with no concern about whether they play or  not. (It seems to me the only thing we can do is to boo them repeatedly to make their time here as uncomfortable as possible in the hope it makes them decide to leave...)

 

4 The apparently unshakable commitment to a style of play which is already outdated and fails many of the clubs who adopt it...

 

5 Communication to fans which is beyond patronising- a kind of blanket denial that anything is wrong ...

 

6 The continued employment of several senior people who have been at the heart of a period of catastrophic decision-making 

 

 

[Lesta Legend]

All on the ownership, it's been a disaster for many years, unhappy fans is but one consequence of the incompetance.

 

They need to address the problems, don't blame the average fan expressing their dissatisfaction as they continue to double down.

 

To be honest RM is their Hail Mary and he needs to succeed, the club is teetering on the edge, you will need to worry less about a toxic atmosphere if this season isn't a success. 

I think RM is a buffoon, I will give him a small chance to prove me wrong but I hold no faith that him and the powers that be will assemble a talented driven side capable of getting out of this league. So it will become very toxic if they fail again and they'll have no one but themselves to blame.

 

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

If you love the club I can’t see how you can clap and cheer what is the continuation of the same mistakes, ignorance and recklessness that are driving it into the ground. A reset is needed but that needs to be in the running of the club, then good things are more likely to follow. 

This.

[Dan]

There's always been an anti-fan undercurrent under KP as well. It's definitely gotten worse in the last 3/4 years especially but it's always been there. People just overlooked it and were told to stop complaining because we were good on the pitch. The foundations were laid a while ago.

Edited 4 hours ago by Dan

[izzymuzzet]

An online fans forum isn’t a great barometer of toxicity amongst supporters in my view. As with the wider internet, users using pseudonyms will feel free to express their frustrations, vent their anger and use language they wouldn’t use in public.

 

I’m surprised there hasn’t been more toxicity in the stands to be honest, given the level of mismanagement we’ve seen in the last 5 years. I can’t think of too many other clubs of our size who’d have responded with such passivity to points deductions, 3 relegations in 4 seasons, consistently poor recruitment, lack of communication etc.

 

Look at how Everton fans protested a couple of seasons ago. And look at how we forced changes in the boardroom through protests in the 90s. Most our supporters these days seem happy to accept whatever Aiawatt and King Power serve up.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

Yes - we’re shit. The board avoid accountability, plenty of players are bellends and the club is a mess. On top of that, the atmosphere online and in the ground has become properly toxic. I find this really quite sad because the club has pulled me out of some dark places in my life.

 

For about five years I've thought there are three warring camps at Leicester City:

 

• the board
• the players
• the fans

 

Each camp blames the other two and thinks they don’t need to change themselves - it's the other guys' fault. If they changed, we'd be fine. Each mindset feeds the spiral. Every 4 months we sack a manager as a sacrificial lamb, and the three camps continue. I'm not saying each camp is equally to blame - I'd say 50% board, 35% players, 15% fans. The maddening thing is that if any camp improved, the others would too - but no camp is willing to change.

 

Just look at this place: months/years of posting hate threads on Ayew (103 pages), Winks (171), Rowett (179), Kristiansen (49), King Power (338). Be honest - how much new is being said now? Will posting a 339th page find a billionaire to buy out King Power? Will a 172nd page on Harry Winks find a club to take on his wages. There’s already multiple negative threads about Russell Martin and the poor sod's been in post for about two days.

 

I’m not saying stop criticising, just that endlessly piling on the same targets creates a circle of toxicity that clearly hinders the club. We’re still Leicester City fans, and we’ve seen plenty of times when we've pulled out of dire situations with a bit of unity. I don't think it will happen when we're just relentlessly moaning - especially about things that can't be changed or players / managers that have already left the club.

 

This thread will probably die on its arse after a few laughing emojis and snippy replies, and maybe I'm wrong and that's the 'right' way to support the club these days. But personally, I’d rather try to reset the tone more to the club I fell in love with as a child than keep adding pages and pages to the same old hate threads.

 

Anyone else up for that?

If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

[TheGoldenGod]

I'm not gonna be the slightest bit arsed if we romp League One...should never ever be in this position so they better f**king win it and do it with a smile on their faces! Only then will I consider caring about what happens after that, but even then it'll be the same ownership that's failed us for years so probably not...

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, TheGoldenGod said:

I'm not gonna be the slightest bit arsed if we romp League One...should never ever be in this position so they better f**king win it and do it with a smile on their faces! Only then will I consider caring about what happens after that, but even then it'll be the same ownership that's failed us for years so probably not...

I really think some of our supporters are failing to understand how much we dwarf everyone in the division and I include Wednesday in that. 

 

The bottom line to this malaise is the clubs tone towards the supporters. And that doesn't stop and start at those of some more vocal - look at the physical season ticket debacle, the constant stream of stories where the ticketing side is plain unhelpful. 

 

There's no plain objections or targets set. It's all wrapped up in business word salad. I don't need the owner to communicate but we need a CEO or similar and/or a manager what can clearly communicate what the plans and hopes are. All I get with Rudkin, McCarron and Martin is basically Barry the Homeowner from Atletico Mince. 

Edited 4 hours ago by CosbehFox

[trooky]

I believe we should support the team on the pitch in the stadium, but we are totally entitled to show our disgust at the way the club is run and demand that Rudkin is sacked and Top sells the club.

 

Top doesn't listen to fans, I don't believe he even understands the amount of ill feeling towards him or Rudkin, they never communicate, acknowledge mistakes or learn from them. The fans are entitled to this opinion. 

 

Whilst I believe we should support the team in the stadium, last season was a disgrace, it's been very hard to support this team when the players and management were so poor and clearly not fit, lacking in leadership at any level,so the hatred is understandable. The players needed to win the fans over but they never showed any attempt to do this. 

 

We appointed RM a huge mistake IMO, he has to recruit some very good players, and be top of league 1 immediately, but if he performs like he did at Rangers then the levels of toxicity will be through the roof and totally justified IMO. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by trooky

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

West Ham fans stormed their executive boxes, Everton chased players out of the city. We just boo a bit. 

 

And what will the OP suggest we do in the ground to make it less "toxic"? 

The thing is, in a strange way that is almost more acceptable than calling them C unts online though because its action that generally will make them want out, where as what we tend to do is just make the players hate us and want out but continue to feel safe enough to stay with us for a good opportunity.

 

I’ve been speaking to a few Fulham fans in the states and they couldn’t believe Vestergaard turned them down thinking he was above them. We’ve seen it with our own eyes throughout the last few years that the players hate us but are happy to be paid well above the going rate for their ability and attitude.

 

I’m obviously not encouraging violence, but at this stage we should either be ready to force change through more protests or back the club and hope they somehow stumble their way to a point where we aren’t the car crash we are now.

[foxfanazer]

There's absolutely nothing to be positive about regarding this sham of a club. If it helps I'll do my bit and stop posting to at least reduce the "toxicity". Can't wait to see the positive change it makes

[Sol thewall Bamba]

5 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

The thing is, in a strange way that is almost more acceptable than calling them C unts online though because its action that generally will make them want out, where as what we tend to do is just make the players hate us and want out but continue to feel safe enough to stay with us for a good opportunity.

 

I’ve been speaking to a few Fulham fans in the states and they couldn’t believe Vestergaard turned them down thinking he was above them. We’ve seen it with our own eyes throughout the last few years that the players hate us but are happy to be paid well above the going rate for their ability and attitude.

 

I’m obviously not encouraging violence, but at this stage we should either be ready to force change through more protests or back the club and hope they somehow stumble their way to a point where we aren’t the car crash we are now.

Complaining online is worse than storming the directors box or threatening players in person? 

[AKCJ]

Norwich lost a few games in a row and their fans barricaded the board in the stadium. They sacked their manager and promised change (which they delivered on).

 

In the same game we sang a few hurty words about Rudkin and Aiyawatt and the club put out statements saying how out of order we were.

 

 

There are levels to how cucked most Leicester fans are.

[shen]

2 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

The thing is, in a strange way that is almost more acceptable than calling them C unts online though because its action that generally will make them want out, where as what we tend to do is just make the players hate us and want out but continue to feel safe enough to stay with us for a good opportunity.

 

I’ve been speaking to a few Fulham fans in the states and they couldn’t believe Vestergaard turned them down thinking he was above them. We’ve seen it with our own eyes throughout the last few years that the players hate us but are happy to be paid well above the going rate for their ability and attitude.

 

I’m obviously not encouraging violence, but at this stage we should either be ready to force change through more protests or back the club and hope they somehow stumble their way to a point where we aren’t the car crash we are now.

Becoming violent is never 'more acceptable', why accept devolution as a way forward? 

 

My view is that many fans need to finally understand that football is a business. Clubs are businesses and many of them are vessels for billionaire owners who don't care for the local communities much if at all. Fans are consumers of a product, a product that has been cultured through years of loyal servitude, traditions and community building which is now being monetized and siphoned by wealthier folk.

So fans should change their perspective and treat it as what it is and not keep thinking professional football is something it hasn't been for years and years. 

[Lambert09]

The fans are always an outcome of the other 2.  Not the other way around. 

 

if the club hired someone the fans could believe in, and they got a few positive results the atmosphere would change instantly. The majority dont want it to be doom and gloom and just want to enjoy the football and going to games again but weve literally been a torture project for 5 years and you think the fans can be blamed for any of that?

Edited 3 hours ago by Lambert09

[smudgerfox]

35 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I really think some of our supporters are failing to understand how much we dwarf everyone in the division and I include Wednesday in that. 

 

Our perceived strength is in reality our greatest weakness. We will be every club's Cup Final next season and we already know how we react when highly motivated opponents rough us up a bit. We'll be playing to a dreamy philosophy while our opponents will be snapping at our ankles to get a result. That was last season, this will be worse. How many times have we heard about our "talented" line-up as they lose to the likes of Oxford, Charlton, Portsmouth? 

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

West Ham fans stormed their executive boxes, Everton chased players out of the city. We just boo a bit. 

 

And what will the OP suggest we do in the ground to make it less "toxic"? 

Stop booing players?