Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 (edited) He kinda has a point: Puel's last 21 league games at Soton: W 6 D 4 L 11 + Lost in the League Cup final Ranieri's last 21 league games for LC: W 4 D 5 L 12 + Lost in the first leg of CL last 16 They had as much reason to sack Puel as we did for sacking Ranieri, they had gone shit, as we had, they finished 8th by default, as the rest of the league 9 - 20 was also crap. His form at Saints, was only a little better than Ranieri's and Ranieri had won us the title. Our sacking of Ranieri, although proved to be right was a lot harder to justify at the time, than their sacking of CP. The difference is they have appointed someone who has taken them backwards. They had a good reason for sacking CP, we probably shouldn't forget that. Edited 14 December 2017 by Captain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 Claude had a shit squad and did the best he could with it. Claudio had a squad capable of winning the league and had led them to 7 consecutive defeats and scoring just one goal and were genuinely looking doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red5 Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 8 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Na, he's just a passionate Saints fan, what's wrong with that? Le Tissier is a good bloke and he's got a point 6 minutes ago, Captain... said: He kinda has a point: Puel's last 21 league games at Soton: W 6 D 4 L 11 + Lost in the League Cup final Ranieri's last 21 league games for LC: W 4 D 5 L 12 + Lost in the first leg of CL last 16 They had as much reason to sack Puel as we did for sacking Ranieri, they had gone shit, as we had, they finished 8th by default, as the rest of the league 9 - 20 was also crap. His form at Saints, was only a little better than Ranieri's and Ranieri had won us the title. Our sacking of Ranieri, although proved to be right was a lot harder to justify at the time, than their sacking of CP. The difference is they have appointed someone who has taken them backwards. They had a good reason for sacking CP, we probably shouldn't forget that. What the fcuk are you guys on about? It was drunken footballs fans singing to the opposing fans, Letiss is a bellend for posting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 12 minutes ago, red5 said: What the fcuk are you guys on about? It was drunken footballs fans singing to the opposing fans, Letiss is a bellend for posting that. Remember how pissy we got when we were attacked by all and sundry for sacking Ranieri? I didn't see it as banter and not many City fans did. Saints probably feel the same and especially coming from us, its pot calling kettle black. For the record I was 100% in favour of sacking Ranieri (thank fook we did) and admire Southampton for sacking Puel because of performances and not results 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 32 minutes ago, Captain... said: He kinda has a point: Puel's last 21 league games at Soton: W 6 D 4 L 11 + Lost in the League Cup final Ranieri's last 21 league games for LC: W 4 D 5 L 12 + Lost in the first leg of CL last 16 They had as much reason to sack Puel as we did for sacking Ranieri, they had gone shit, as we had, they finished 8th by default, as the rest of the league 9 - 20 was also crap. His form at Saints, was only a little better than Ranieri's and Ranieri had won us the title. Our sacking of Ranieri, although proved to be right was a lot harder to justify at the time, than their sacking of CP. The difference is they have appointed someone who has taken them backwards. They had a good reason for sacking CP, we probably shouldn't forget that. We were getting relegated with Ranieri, they were safely top half with Puel. I'm all for being impartial but it's not a good comparison. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: We were getting relegated with Ranieri, they were safely top half with Puel. I'm all for being impartial but it's not a good comparison. It's a pretty good comparison, the form was shit for both of them, if CP carried on in that form at Southampton they would have ended up in a relegation scrap. He could have turned it around, but when they sacked him their form was shit and the players weren't responding to him as a manager, same for Ranieri, he could have turned it around but our form was shit and they weren't responding to him as a manager. Both teams were going backwards and both were justified in sacking their manager at the time. The main difference is Pellegrino looks like a poor appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 32 minutes ago, red5 said: What the fcuk are you guys on about? It was drunken footballs fans singing to the opposing fans, Letiss is a bellend for posting that. It's not just a football chant, people have been having a pop on the radio, on twitter, social media, comments on BBC, Sky etc. There have been a lot of people taking the piss because Southampton sacked CP and he came back with Leicester and tore them a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collibosher70 Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 1 hour ago, red5 said: Just been looking at that, can't believe the guy is such a bellend, does he have a drink problem? Oh bless him....overated turd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 7 minutes ago, Captain... said: It's a pretty good comparison, the form was shit for both of them, if CP carried on in that form at Southampton they would have ended up in a relegation scrap. He could have turned it around, but when they sacked him their form was shit and the players weren't responding to him as a manager, same for Ranieri, he could have turned it around but our form was shit and they weren't responding to him as a manager. Both teams were going backwards and both were justified in sacking their manager at the time. The main difference is Pellegrino looks like a poor appointment. He lost his best players to injury and transfer at Southampton and wasn't given an opportunity to reinforce with more athletic players that it's now apparent suit his style. It's alright saying he went on a shit run of form but he also got them high enough up the league that they still finished top half anyway. Claudio signed a load of dross, broke apart his title winning team tactically and was nose diving towards the drop. I'm sorry, I know what you're doing, you're trying to be the unbiased voice of reason but you're just comparing apples and oranges. Ranieri's dismissal was never controversial, it just made a good story for the press. He made his position untenable. Meanwhile Le Tis, with no sense of irony, describes Puel as a manager that "lost a cup final" without recognising Puel got them there in the first ****ing place. It's just a stupid tweet from Le Tiss who is being more defensive and biased than most of the people in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Na, he's just a passionate Saints fan, what's wrong with that? Le Tissier is a good bloke and he's got a point He has no point. One was a good decision and one was a bad decision. You work out which is which and then send Le Tissier a postcard. Edited 14 December 2017 by Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ClaphamFox Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 1 hour ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: Na, he's just a passionate Saints fan, what's wrong with that? Le Tissier is a good bloke and he's got a point He's responded on twitter to some football fans singing a song, and in the process has revealed himself to be a humourless bore and a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Ranieri's dismissal was never controversial Neither was Puel's, his last 5 home games for Southampton produced 0 Southampton goals, they were right to sack him at the time, nobody thought Southampton made a mistake sacking Puel until last night. They may have finished 8th but with 46 points, 17pts down. Yes Puel got them to League Cup final, Ranieri got us to the last 16 of the CL. Did you honestly think when Southampton sacked Puel at the end of last season they had made a mistake? More people thought we made a mistake hiring him than thought they made a mistake sacking him. It clearly wasn't working out they were going backwards, fast, maybe they should have given him more time, but this is football, if it's not working you sack the manager. The mistake they made was replacing him with Pellegrino who looks out of his depth. Surely you can see the irony in the fans that got all precious about the stick they received when we rightly sacked Ranieri, giving it out to a team that sacked a manager who was taking them backwards, then getting all precious again when it is pointed out that we sacked Ranieri who achieved a lot more. (I'll still take the piss out of Saints fans, I'm just aware of the irony.) Edited 14 December 2017 by Captain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 1 minute ago, Captain... said: Neither was Puel's, his last 5 home games for Southampton produced 0 Southampton goals, they were right to sack him at the time, nobody thought Southampton made a mistake sacking Puel until last night. They may have finished 8th but with 46 points, 17pts down. Yes Puel got them to League Cup final, Ranieri got us to the last 16 of the CL. Did you honestly think when Southampton sacked Puel at the end of last season they had made a mistake? More people thought we made a mistake hiring him than thought they made a mistake sacking him. It clearly wasn't working out they were going backwards, fast, maybe they should have given him more time, but this is football, if it's not working you sack the manager. The mistake they made was replacing him with Pellegrino who looks out of his depth. Surely you can see the irony in the fans that got all precious about the stick they received when we rightly sacked Ranieri, giving it out to a team that sacked a manager who was taking them backwards, then getting all precious again when it is pointed out that we sacked Ranieri who achieved a lot more. They also lost all their best players, very harsh sacking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 Just now, Captain... said: Neither was Puel's, his last 5 home games for Southampton produced 0 Southampton goals, they were right to sack him at the time, nobody thought Southampton made a mistake sacking Puel until last night. They may have finished 8th but with 46 points, 17pts down. Yes Puel got them to League Cup final, Ranieri got us to the last 16 of the CL. Did you honestly think when Southampton sacked Puel at the end of last season they had made a mistake? More people thought we made a mistake hiring him than thought they made a mistake sacking him. It clearly wasn't working out they were going backwards, fast, maybe they should have given him more time, but this is football, if it's not working you sack the manager. The mistake they made was replacing him with Pellegrino who looks out of his depth. Surely you can see the irony in the fans that got all precious about the stick they received when we rightly sacked Ranieri, giving it out to a team that sacked a manager who was taking them backwards, then getting all precious again when it is pointed out that we sacked Ranieri who achieved a lot more. Their decision was understandable and probably correct. However, it doesn't explain why Le Tissier feels it is necessary to respond to some mild teasing from opposing fans by losing his rag on twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 1 hour ago, LCFCFOX6190 said: I'm amazed it took anyone this long to say this to be honest doesn't change the following: - We were going down, Southampton weren't even close - We have improved significantly since, Southampton haven't - We have improved under the exact man they got rid of 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 28 minutes ago, Captain... said: Neither was Puel's, his last 5 home games for Southampton produced 0 Southampton goals, they were right to sack him at the time, nobody thought Southampton made a mistake sacking Puel until last night. They may have finished 8th but with 46 points, 17pts down. Yes Puel got them to League Cup final, Ranieri got us to the last 16 of the CL. Did you honestly think when Southampton sacked Puel at the end of last season they had made a mistake? More people thought we made a mistake hiring him than thought they made a mistake sacking him. It clearly wasn't working out they were going backwards, fast, maybe they should have given him more time, but this is football, if it's not working you sack the manager. The mistake they made was replacing him with Pellegrino who looks out of his depth. Surely you can see the irony in the fans that got all precious about the stick they received when we rightly sacked Ranieri, giving it out to a team that sacked a manager who was taking them backwards, then getting all precious again when it is pointed out that we sacked Ranieri who achieved a lot more. (I'll still take the piss out of Saints fans, I'm just aware of the irony.) Honestly, I didn't comment on Southampton sacking him at the time because I didn't know much about their circumstances, just as a lot of fans outside Leicester didn't know much about Ranieri and us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 1 minute ago, foxes_rule1978 said: They also lost all their best players, very harsh sacking... They also spent £50 million on new players, was Ranieri sacking harsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 "There is nothing wrong with having opinions that are subsequently proven to be incorrect, because we all do that. Football would lose most of its allure if everything was predictable. Yet it is the condescension with which foreign (and it is only foreign) managers such as Puel are treated that is so galling, and inevitably makes the rest of us want them to succeed. Alan Pardew fails at Crystal Palace, but is welcomed back into West Brom. Claude Puel struggles at Southampton, and woe betide if he gets another job. This column has already dealt with the accusation that Puel is a defensive manager, with the more accurate assessment being that he was a manager whose style had issues but who was let down by Southampton’s strikers. But Leicester are now a club transformed by Puel. They are now just four points behind Arsenal having been in the relegation zone when Craig Shakespeare was sacked, albeit after a tough run to start the season. They are sixth in a table created since Puel took over, and only Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City have more points away from home in that time. Leicester have won four straight league games. As for ‘hardly being able to inspire players’, speak to Jamie Vardy, Shinji Okazaki and Riyad Mahrez about that. Leicester’s three most important attackers of their title-winning season have been revitalised under Puel’s brief stewardship. For all the doubts over Puel’s lack of goals, only Manchester City and Liverpool have scored more since his appointment. On Wednesday evening, Leicester scored four away goals in the Premier League for the first time since February 2004. If this is defensive football, supporters will be happy to get used to it." http://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-winners-and-losers-84 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 (edited) Le Tiss looks muggy no doubt but he's probably on the wind-up for the most part. I'm sure he's aware of the glaring holes in the comparison between the 2 situations. I'd say try not to bite too much but looking at the state of the replies I'd say that ship has sailed. Tbf it was hilarious over the summer when he had half of Liverpool on strings over the van Dijk thing. Edited 14 December 2017 by ealingfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 29 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Their decision was understandable and probably correct. However, it doesn't explain why Le Tissier feels it is necessary to respond to some mild teasing from opposing fans by losing his rag on twitter... I've only seen the tweet posted on here, hardly losing his rag, just a bit of banter. You sacked Puel, he finished 8th, You sacked Ranieri, he won the league, Puel's team hadn't scored in 5 home games, Ranieri's side hadn't scored in 6 games, Puel got to the cup final, Ranieri won his champions league group. Puel is doing well at Leicester, Ranieri is doing well at Nantes. (bantz) I don't get why people are getting so precious on here, he has a point, there is an argument for both keeping their job and a stronger argument for both getting sacked, especially for those closer to the club, as @Finnegan says we don't know much about the circumstances of him being sacked, but there was clearly a reason when you look at the second half of last season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 Oh and by the way, Ranieri hasn't returned to the KP and hammered us. Again, apples and oranges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 I wouldn't knock Southampton for sacking Puel, they made what they considered the best decision at the time. They also sacked Nigel Adkins after he'd done really well to much uproar and brought in some young unknown foreign manager in Pochetino. We got knocked for sacking Ranieri but the vast majority of knowledgeable Leicester fans knew it was the right decision despite the public outcry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 Oh and by the way, Ranieri hasn't returned to the KP and hammered us. Again, apples and oranges.Bound to happen in next season's Europa League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 14 December 2017 Share Posted 14 December 2017 2 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: 30 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Oh and by the way, Ranieri hasn't returned to the KP and hammered us. Again, apples and oranges. Bound to happen in next season's Europa League. Nah, can't happen. We'll be too busy in the champions league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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