Ben Marshall

[GingerrrFox]

so who is not happy with big nige? a couple of players or lots?

It's pretty common knowledge that the club isn't in harmony at the moment. Pearson and Robinson are at logger heads and there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding the squad. I have a few friends around the club who keep telling me the end of the transfer window can't come quick enough.

[Micky]

It's pretty common knowledge that the club isn't in harmony at the moment. Pearson and Robinson are at logger heads and there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding the squad. I have a few friends around the club who keep telling me the end of the transfer window can't come quick enough.

but I would say you will always get some players who are unhapppy within a squad. If you are not in the team, you are not happy - simple. If this is only 2/3 players then I would say no worries. If you are talking 5/6/7 players then there clearly is a problem.

[Dan]

It's a shame if he goes but if it's a decent fee then I won't moan.

[The Doctor]

****in' ell.  First everyone's mad at Nige for not having a plan B and always making substitutions too late in the game, and now he's inept because he switched to plan B by making substitutions too early? And with the result of winning the game no less.  Get your house in order, Nige.

 

Almost like everyone is unhappy that we're actually winning games and they've got nothing to grumble about. ****ing pathetic, just be happy that we're doing well. 

 

And half-time substitutions are not scape-goating, the ones on saturday were clearly tactical, not a "blame him" move.

[VLC86]

No, but I do enjoy the mango and lime chicken wings.

Pussy, who can believe a man who doesn't dare eat the Wing roulette?

[jock2612]

Been told theres others that want to go because of pearson and I know this as im a relation to a player

If all these things are true (Bert thinks they are) the owners have a very hard choise to make.Are NP man management skills so bad that he has to go or  just let the players who want to go go but let NP dip into the transfer market before its too late.I think at this late stage and the squad being so small we will have to stick NP until at least Christmas. If Wes has the chance to play in the Prem then altough i would be gutted to see him go good luck to him and thanks.Futacs just hasnt worked so ok but Marshall,Drinkwater,Woods,Danns,Konch would leave us too thin to compete for the whole season.I cannot argue with NPs record x2 play offs and 3rd in the league BUT his persona is awful and man-management a disaster. I had an awful feeling that with a DOF and FFP rules this  would lead rivals to pick over our best players with no chance of replacement. If it is also true that the DOF has told clubs that our players are available at the right price WITHOUT telling NP the owners owe the supporters an explanation.Season tickets were bought on the basis of us following a competetive team not for them to pull the rug form under NP and the supporters. The stupid spending under Sven was nothing to do with NP and everything to do with poor judgement of the owners insisting on having a name that could be banded about their country just for publicity reasons.

[Strokes]

If all these things are true (Bert thinks they are) the owners have a very hard choise to make.Are NP man management skills so bad that he has to go or just let the players who want to go go but let NP dip into the transfer market before its too late.I think at this late stage and the squad being so small we will have to stick NP until at least Christmas. If Wes has the chance to play in the Prem then altough i would be gutted to see him go good luck to him and thanks.Futacs just hasnt worked so ok but Marshall,Drinkwater,Woods,Danns,Konch would leave us too thin to compete for the whole season.I cannot argue with NPs record x2 play offs and 3rd in the league BUT his persona is awful and man-management a disaster. I had an awful feeling that with a DOF and FFP rules this would lead rivals to pick over our best players with no chance of replacement. If it is also true that the DOF has told clubs that our players are available at the right price WITHOUT telling NP the owners owe the supporters an explanation.Season tickets were bought on the basis of us following a competetive team not for them to pull the rug form under NP and the supporters. The stupid spending under Sven was nothing to do with NP and everything to do with poor judgement of the owners insisting on having a name that could be banded about their country just for publicity reasons.

In my opinion the owners should always back the manager in these situations, you simply cannot let prima summary players thinking they have any say on picking the team. Look at chelsea, several good managers have lost their jobs based on player power, only morinho can control that bunch.

[Dan]

I work with footballers and have been around team environments my entire working life. You don't have to believe me or listen to what I say but I'm trying to explain why so many of our players are unhappy when the team is performing well. It's common knowledge that many of the players struggle with Nigel's man management.

 

If a player, an attacker in this instance, can't get over being subbed at half time when 0-1 down, then he's the problem, especially if we've won the game 3-2.

[Corky]

I work with footballers and have been around team environments my entire working life. You don't have to believe me or listen to what I say but I'm trying to explain why so many of our players are unhappy when the team is performing well. It's common knowledge that many of the players struggle with Nigel's man management.

 

This was clearly a tactical move, as we ditched the three central midfielders and moved to a 4-4-2. I can't see scapegoating, just making a choice of taking two from six off.

[Dan]

If all these things are true (Bert thinks they are) the owners have a very hard choise to make.Are NP man management skills so bad that he has to go or  just let the players who want to go go but let NP dip into the transfer market before its too late.I think at this late stage and the squad being so small we will have to stick NP until at least Christmas. If Wes has the chance to play in the Prem then altough i would be gutted to see him go good luck to him and thanks.Futacs just hasnt worked so ok but Marshall,Drinkwater,Woods,Danns,Konch would leave us too thin to compete for the whole season.I cannot argue with NPs record x2 play offs and 3rd in the league BUT his persona is awful and man-management a disaster. I had an awful feeling that with a DOF and FFP rules this  would lead rivals to pick over our best players with no chance of replacement. If it is also true that the DOF has told clubs that our players are available at the right price WITHOUT telling NP the owners owe the supporters an explanation.Season tickets were bought on the basis of us following a competetive team not for them to pull the rug form under NP and the supporters. The stupid spending under Sven was nothing to do with NP and everything to do with poor judgement of the owners insisting on having a name that could be banded about their country just for publicity reasons.

 

But how do you know he has 'poor man management skills'?

[Salieri]

If players don't want to be here they know where the door is!

Indeed. The season has only just started and already there are players spitting their dummy's out because they're not first choice at the moment. Either knuckle down and earn a first team spot or do one.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

The celebration after King's goal on Saturday would indicate anything but a bad dressing room atmosphere.

[GLC]

I think you're all missing the big issue here...what about the Ben Marshall song? Who do we sing that for now?

Wes Morgan?

[Bettsj2]

The celebration after King's goal on Saturday would indicate anything but a bad dressing room atmosphere.

An excellent point. If there are say 5 first team squad members unhappy, I would say by the loom of it, they are not having an effect on the team overall.

All of this talk is pretty shit the more I think about it. I've no doubt that the info posted has been passed on with the best intentions, but are we basically 'doing a Stringer' with it? In a squad of 28, is it THAT unusual for a handful of players not to like the manager? I work in a large sales team and personally, get in with the management very well but others cant stand them. Isn't this just life we're talking about?? It obviously isnt having a negative impact on the pitch. Yes, we're not stroking it like a fine snatch, but I cant remember seeing us this resolute for a long time. The teams attitude seems good at the minute so if a couple of players want to fvck off then maybe so be it??

[KFS]

If people are close to players, can you feedback to them that we're currently topping the table and they're sitting mounds of money. Fvcking ridiculous if true.

[Harry - LCFC]

The celebration after King's goal on Saturday would indicate anything but a bad dressing room atmosphere.

 

Good point. All this stuff about mass disharmony is very out of the blue. Goes against everything I've seen and heard so far.

 

I just don't believe it, especially as people who claim to know about this stuff often don't and are probably just seeking attention. We'll find out soon enough I suppose, I'm betting I'm right though.

[AyewJoking]

To be honest, was he ever that amazing? He scored some great goals in a run, don't get me wrong, but he never really picked the ball up and ran at people before whipping in a cross.

 

He did do occasionally, but he's been a disappointment for me.  It took him a while to settle in and whilst he's definitely technically gifted, he's too quiet a player in general IMO.

 

It's a shame because he clearly has ability, but there's a lot missing from his game.

 

 

 

no need to argue with yourself, theres plenty on here to help you in that department.

[Walshy5]

Why is it that whenever we're doing well theres always bad things going on behind the scenes for us to worry about meaning we cant enjoy these times! If it is true that theres alot of unhappy players you really do have to question pearsons man management!

[Strokes]

Why is it that whenever we're doing well theres always bad things going on behind the scenes for us to worry about meaning we cant enjoy these times! If it is true that theres alot of unhappy players you really do have to question pearsons man management!

On the contrary, a few players isn't a mutiny. If he has managed form despite a few trouble makers, it suggest a very strong relationship with his other players. If true at least its happening during a transfer window, we might still shift a few moody blues.

[Salieri]

Why is it that whenever we're doing well theres always bad things going on behind the scenes for us to worry about meaning we cant enjoy these times! If it is true that theres alot of unhappy players you really do have to question pearsons man management!

Or.... you could question the attitudes of the overpaid, selfish players who think they have a divine right to start every game, who are not prepared to work hard to earn their place and look for the exit when their overinflated ego's aren't being sufficiently massaged?

[Guest Col city fan]

Young footballers, these days, are pretty much a law unto themselves.

They are paid crazy money from an early age. They nearly all lead lifestyles so far removed from 'Joe Public' that it must be like living in another world.

This must make them hard to manage.

The rumour was that, under Sven, the players did pretty much what they wanted.

Under Pearson, I would suspect its very different. I would imagine what Pearson says goes.

Good, IMO. The manager has a right to manage. IF this puts certain players nose out of joint, then sobeit.

No player is bigger than the club.

I have no idea whether Marshall, or anyone else for that matter, has fallen out with Pearson. But if they have, it's tough shit, grow up, accept that you might not be first choice, get on with it, or leave.

It's that simple.

I say this of ANY player at the club. Managing today's footballers must be tough work I would suspect. I'd love the money, sure, but the job itself? Not in a month of Sundays.

[The God Emperor]

Young footballers, these days, are pretty much a law unto themselves.

They are paid crazy money from an early age. They nearly all lead lifestyles so far removed from 'Joe Public' that it must be like living in another world.

This must make them hard to manage.

The rumour was that, under Sven, the players did pretty much what they wanted.

Under Pearson, I would suspect its very different. I would imagine what Pearson says goes.

Good, IMO. The manager has a right to manage. IF this puts certain players nose out of joint, then sobeit.

No player is bigger than the club.

I have no idea whether Marshall, or anyone else for that matter, has fallen out with Pearson. But if they have, it's tough shit, grow up, accept that you might not be first choice, get on with it, or leave.

It's that simple.

I say this of ANY player at the club. Managing today's footballers must be tough work I would suspect. I'd love the money, sure, but the job itself? Not in a month of Sundays.

John Robertson apparently left football due to what its like dealing with the modern footballer

[Danno]

Don't give a shit guy couldn't beat an egg. Cya marshy

[Guest Col city fan]

John Robertson apparently left football due to what its like dealing with the modern footballer

Makes me wonder how a bloke like Brian Clough would do in modern day football? Though I guess he was on the receiving end of 'player power' at Leeds wasn't he.

I would suspect that the best blokes have that fine blend of discipline/respect with a 'human side' and approachability. Sir Alex, for example, perhaps the best example of a staunch disciplinarian, was often seen larking about with the players on the training pitch, apparently.

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

Wouldn't bother me one bit if Wood, Futacs, Drinkwater, Marshall, Gallagher, Konchesky, Danns left.

The only problem is getting in replacements.