deep blue Posted 28 August 2015 Share Posted 28 August 2015 Even the top teams with their ridiculous squads often struggle with the demands of the champions League. We're building a tidy squad but even the Europa league would, I believe, require at least 4 more quality signings probably above those we already have. If we managed to qualify for Europe then I'm sure our owners would enable us to ramp up the squad accordingly during the summer. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox Posted 28 August 2015 Share Posted 28 August 2015 I'd rather win the Europa League and get relegated than finish 12th dreaming of reaching 7th and qualifying for you guessed it, the Europa league. Imagine being in the Championship and Champions League in the same season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 THE CHAMPIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNSSSSSSShip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 I'd rather win the Europa League and get relegated than finish 12th dreaming of reaching 7th and qualifying for you guessed it, the Europa league. We could then spend 10/15 years more floundering in the Championship/League one talking about our history like we still do about the MON side. Premier League consolidation is the number one priority every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theessexfox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 We could then spend 10/15 years more floundering in the Championship/League one talking about our history like we still do about the MON side. Premier League consolidation is the number one priority every season. No it's not that's boring, at some point we have to look to doing something more than sticking around year after year, we have to challenge and extend ourselves, not that prioritising Europe should in any way make us flirt with relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whetstonefox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Although it will never happen the Europa League should just be a knock out competition from the start, scrap the group stages. Be more interest shown by English clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Although it will never happen the Europa League should just be a knock out competition from the start, scrap the group stages. Be more interest shown by English clubs. The Europa league should just be scrapped extend the CL to include more teams but it makes no sense to have an inferior European competition. If you win the champions league you are the best team in Europe if you win the Europa league you are the best team from a selection of teams that aren't good enough for the champions league or have already been knocked out of the CL. Give it a purpose other than another route to CL. The cup winners cup at least you could claim to be the best cup side in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Lets not get carried away, we've got a long way to go to even stay up this season let alone be "properly established" and competing for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the Fox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 The Europa league should just be scrapped extend the CL to include more teams but it makes no sense to have an inferior European competition. If you win the champions league you are the best team in Europe if you win the Europa league you are the best team from a selection of teams that aren't good enough for the champions league or have already been knocked out of the CL. Give it a purpose other than another route to CL. The cup winners cup at least you could claim to be the best cup side in Europe. I'd personally go the other way, I'd reduce the champions league and stop teams then dropping into the Europa league once they have failed in the CL, this cheapens the competition. This would put more top teams into the Europa league raising its stock. Just as a matter of interest what are the stats regarding teams entering Europa league and getting relegated? Particularly teams who have only been promoted recently, two or three seasons. Is it a genuine concern or or a myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 I'd personally go the other way, I'd reduce the champions league and stop teams then dropping into the Europa league once they have failed in the CL, this cheapens the competition. This would put more top teams into the Europa league raising its stock. Just as a matter of interest what are the stats regarding teams entering Europa league and getting relegated? Particularly teams who have only been promoted recently, two or three seasons. Is it a genuine concern or or a myth? There was an article on the BBC on how the Europa league affects teams, I think on average they drop 2-3 places. Found it: http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31470797 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the Fox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 There was an article on the BBC on how the Europa league affects teams, I think on average they drop 2-3 places. Found it:http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31470797 Thanks. Interesting article, so relegation is an irrational fear not backed up by any stats and generally their isn't much change. Though that small drop in league position could be financially costly due to the clout of the premier league millions. For me it's all about the glory, at some point you have to gamble and go for it otherwise you become a stagnant and once that happens decline is the next natural step. We need to be continually looking to progress, always looking to move to the next level with a focused strategy on how to get there, and thankfully I feel that that is exactly what we are striving for/ doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 you're all banging on like we're already in Europe. Nothing like a good start to the season to go to peoples heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxFromCoalville Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 you're all banging on like we're already in Europe. Nothing like a good start to the season to go to peoples heads. THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 you're all banging on like we're already in Europe. Nothing like a good start to the season to go to peoples heads. no they're not! The discussion started from talking about teams not taking it seriously and the went onto how we'd hope we wouldn't take the piss out of the Europa league if we ever qualified. Nobody is talking about us actually qualifying this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 I would expect vichai to embrace Europe and add to his huge number of air miles! dare to dream? The only problem I can see is the more restrictive FFP regs if you quality for a European campaign. Hull got stung last season and they didn't even get to the group stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 29 August 2015 Author Share Posted 29 August 2015 The chances are that eventually we will be relegated just like most teams other than a select 6/7. Probably when there's a managerial change that doesn't work or a change in owners, it could 1, 3, 5 or 10 years but it seems somewhat inevitable with the current financial set up so if we do ever qualify you might as well go for it otherwise it could be another generation or two before you get the next chance. Besides isn't that what 25 man squads are for, just make sure they're all capable of holding down a first team place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Thanks. Interesting article, so relegation is an irrational fear not backed up by any stats and generally their isn't much change. Though that small drop in league position could be financially costly due to the clout of the premier league millions. For me it's all about the glory, at some point you have to gamble and go for it otherwise you become a stagnant and once that happens decline is the next natural step. We need to be continually looking to progress, always looking to move to the next level with a focused strategy on how to get there, and thankfully I feel that that is exactly what we are striving for/ doing now. I think the problem is differentiating between the possible and the actual. If we were in the europa league this season and we suffered a drop of a few places or a few points on last season we would be very close to relegation. In a few years when we qualify by finishing 6th with a much more settled team then we would be in a much stronger position to maintain our top flight status and take europe seriously, at the moment we aren't established and we see our top flight status as being very much at risk and our first priority at the moment is 40 surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Defoe hits back at advert critics. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34095753 I like him, seems a decent and intelligent bloke away from the pitch unlike Rooney etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spicer Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 If De Bruyne does join Mancester City I would guess he will replace Navas on the right hand side. Hart Zapaletta Kompany Mangala Kolorov Toure Fernandinio De Bruyne Silva Sterling Augero That is one hell of a team! They still have Ottamendi to come in as well at center back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 If De Bruyne does join Mancester City I would guess he will replace Navas on the right hand side. Hart Zapaletta Kompany Mangala Kolorov Toure Fernandinio De Bruyne Silva Sterling Augero That is one hell of a team! They still have Ottamendi to come in as well at center back. Quite a side, strongest in the league and looking like a side that could compete against the best in europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Never heard most of Newcastle's starting XI. Mbemba Haidara Janmaat Anita Wijnaldum Mitrovic Surprised Giroud isn't starting for Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Never heard most of Newcastle's starting XI. Mbemba Haidara Janmaat Anita Wijnaldum Mitrovic Surprised Giroud isn't starting for Arsenal. Mbemba, Mitrovic and Wijnaldum were all signed in the summer. Mbema from Belgium, Mitrovic is Serbian and Wijnaldum played at the last World Cup for the Netherlands. Anita has been there a few years in the fringes of the squad. Haidara signed last summer but missed large parts of last season with injury. And Janmaat has been there a year, full Dutch international and was sent of at the King Power last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spicer Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Quite a side, strongest in the league and looking like a side that could compete against the best in europe I can see them winning the league and going a long way into the champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Thought Mitrovic was a red card waiting to happen after his first two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 29 August 2015 Share Posted 29 August 2015 Think a red was harsh there, but the way this is going I don't think he will be the only red for Newcastle today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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