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European giants plotting revamped Champions League to stop teams like Leicester gatecrashing the party

By davieG, in Leicester City Forum

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trabuch

trabuch

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I don't know. It seems to me as though everyone I talk to about football, no matter who they support. loves LCFC. Football fans love us - football fans love what we mean about the game. Take us away from the game and the game means nothing.

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A few years ago, actually 20 years ago, I spent an evening in a dutch bar, and this topic of a full European league.

Came up, suddenly 40 of us took to a room and debated it.English, dutch, german, italian, Spanish, scandinavian, French

and a couple of other nations were represented.We for some reason then extended it to be once a week for a month.

Expat football fanatics.

Criterias set.

# from outset Only the Champions from each seperate country's league.

# like the old days, 2nd 3rd maybe 4th would now qualify only for the normal then euefa-cup.

# To prevent one country being heavily represented for too long.Every 3-4 years, max of 2 clubs from same land..

..... i) even if your won that league that year,the longest serving returns to home league.

.......ii) relegation.bottom 2....iii) so only max of between 3-4 yrs in the elite league.

# Obviously each country's FA, need to organise, how they take on the returning clubs

.+ sorting out the relegation/promotion between their own 2 tiers.

# The smaller countries, will play qualifyers to see who goes to this Elite league.

# Even if playing in this elite league. Home cup competitions are still a must.

# Elite league also would have a Fa-cup style competition.

....Winner if relegation threatened stays in the league.But Still goes home if 4 yrs completed.

# season ticket holders from teams in the Elite teams, will have travel subsidised,

i) 1 from club itself and ii) from the elite league association.

# Now this was split and brought various opinions..There should be 2 leagues of equal quality

fair share of minnows as possible.Champions from each league play against each other in super cup.

This brought the biggest split or arguments. Some saying one league only, and minnows playing

each other off in qualification until only...2/4/6 remained.This also split opinions

# Ratings: I have actually forgot how we sorted that out.One thing I remember is if a so called minnows

Country qualified for the International WC/ECups, if that country then got through the 1st phase.

The Champion clubs, from that land would not be rated as a minnow for 2 or more seasons.

Those were the major points I remember, there were other theories and ideas mentioned and put forward.

I forgot many or gist of other points.

We even had the idea of sending a suggestion document to EUFA.

I know that quite a few of these lads/lasses, actually got together sometime later, dont know any outcome.

It can be suprising, what expats or long travelling backpackers, especially football fans can conjure up.

When I travelled and lived in Mexico, there was a sort of club for European/S.american football fans, and

a famous British writer often attended, his name is failing me , but info, fun, opinions were excitingly exchanged.

One time some Bayern Munich fans came in, a bit too heavy on opinions, and suddenly the veteran german fans

and local fans, inviting the brits to join in a discussion on the Who, led zepplin, connection to the local

profi clubs, America and Atlas, and the hated Gradalajara, ...there wasnt any connection...its just the

german expats wanted to piss off the Bayern fans, it was funny watching their faces.

oh well the world and football.. :) We should get the syrians and IS groups play football on the battlefields,

drop 10,000s of footballs and not bombs, adding City shirts to float slowly down..

printed with Wazi and Vardy faces.

Crikey, you all reached an agreement on these points, or was it just a list of the ideas put forward? 

 

Can't beat a bit of pub banter and conversation. Who knows how many great inventions and concepts have been created in a pub on the back of a napkin.

 

Of course whenever I bring up my perfectly valid idea of moving international football from a tournament to league based system, somebody always gets huffy about it.  :revenge:

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I suspect if they did it they'd be no relegation or promotion.

MC Prussian

MC Prussian

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I suspect if they did it they'd be no relegation or promotion.

 

The original article is rather vague, but I suppose there would still be promotion and relegation regardless. Particular clubs would though be guaranteed a regular Champions League or Europa League (or in this case, a Super League) spot, no matter what position they finish in.

 

There would still be league winners (such as in the Premier League), but the winning team would likely not be able to compete in the CL, for instance.

 

Of course, it all sounds highly elitist and I don't see football in general profiting from it. It's merely a marketing plot for the benefit of a few trying to uphold a certain status quo.

C-man

C-man

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I'm really struggling to see how this will bring in additional revenue. Football is successful for TV broadcasters because it retains a sense of unpredictability. Particularly this season in the PL. Look at the Bundesliga (beyond Bayern) where Hertha are challenging for a CL spot, or Angers in Ligue 1 (ignore PSG).

If these owners want a closed shop they should fvck off and buy an NFL team.

CosbehFox

CosbehFox

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It's like PL. All you do is create a higher income but a higher expenditure occurs. Wages go up, transfer fees go up. The certainty is the gap gets bigger.

Personally I still think it's a load of crap. Players would be blackballed because of their registration to UEFA etc. It's just a made up story.

To top it off, I don't think half of these clubs realise the occasional surprise is what makes the competition so compelling at times. Take Gent's run this season or Dortmund's before or Malaga's before.

Blanesta

Blanesta

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I think letting big under performing clubs into these competitions will lower the standards, the whole point of these competitions is to see who is the best of the best, letting substandard clubs in just because of their name would be a terrible day in football! Maybe these big clubs should stop being shit? Problem solved lol

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GaelicFox

GaelicFox

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I know I'm outrageously dreaming here

But we have super rich owners , no debt And look nailed on for champions league place , A European champions league is being mooted and Munich have gone on record saying its the way forward !

For Leicester to be considered for that league what do we need to do on and off the field ?

Firstly we need to get into champions league , I know that , but after that ?

Let's reflect and recognise when Claudio took over at Chelsea they were only a small team in west london who were almost bankrupt and only for Ken bates and Mathew Harding Stamford bridge would be flats now ! Then came the Russian ......

Why can't we do what Chelsea have done ?

We probably have a window of 4 or 5 years to cement our place at the top table !

Can we do it ?

Can we sustain this level of performance , and what's needed to maintain that ?

1 big money signings?

2 stadium expansion ?

3 rapid global expansion and branding of LCFC?

There is so much happening on and off the field that might support sustaining the performance we have now but there is also a number of issues that might need addressing!

Can Leicester make it to the European Super League ?

GaelicFox

GaelicFox

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We need to learn to run before we steal.

It's a fair point you make

But I know Chelsea fans who had the same thoughts could they be a "super power" and really they have achieved That in 10-12 years

Can we do it ?

Do any of believe we can ?

gerrytaggart

gerrytaggart

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It's a fair point you make

But I know Chelsea fans who had the same thoughts could they be a "super power" and really they have achieved That in 10-12 years

Can we do it ?

Do any of believe we can ?

no chance.

mid table constant under achievers Liverpool have more chance of being part of this than we ever will.

GaelicFox

GaelicFox

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no chance.

mid table constant under achievers Liverpool have more chance of being part of this than we ever will.

So what's the point ?

What are we trying to achieve ?

Thanks Mods for putting it in right place

purpleronnie

purpleronnie

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So what's the point ?

What are we trying to achieve ?

Thanks Mods for putting it in right place

To expand the brand of each club.  Liverpool are massively popular around the world, the super league will have those 'types' of clubs.

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yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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Every other club should refuse to play them in the league, ban them from the fa cup and the league cup. I'm sure the fans will soon get narked when the only games they get to watch are once a month in countries like norway and poland. And besides that which teams actually are the "top 4" money wise, because i can count 6.

kushiro

kushiro

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Leicester have done a great service to the whole of football this season by making it so clear what would be lost if some bull**** breakaway league ever happened.

Len Finsbury

Len Finsbury

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Is it their plan to leave the PL to set up this venture then? If so, they'll become the Harlem Globetrotters and matches will just be exhibitions.

 

Imagine if you're a genuine supporter of these clubs, the ones with the accents not the plastic ones. They won't tolerate having to pay an absolute fortune to travel to Europe for away games anyway. I'd guess that almost to a man, they'd prefer to play the teams they've been playing for over 100 years week in, week out.

 

If it's an additional competition, they can do what they please as far as I'm concerned. We can have the old European Cup format back and they can have their own showy league. 

Raw Dykes

Raw Dykes

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Is it their plan to leave the PL to set up this venture then? If so, they'll become the Harlem Globetrotters and matches will just be exhibitions.

 

Imagine if you're a genuine supporter of these clubs, the ones with the accents not the plastic ones. They won't tolerate having to pay an absolute fortune to travel to Europe for away games anyway. I'd guess that almost to a man, they'd prefer to play the teams they've been playing for over 100 years week in, week out.

 

If it's an additional competition, they can do what they please as far as I'm concerned. We can have the old European Cup format back and they can have their own showy league. 

 

Interesting. If it is an additional competition, and we get a proper Champion's Cup, for, you know... the champions of each league, then which one would attract the most viewers? One's a real competition, the other is essentially a series of friendlies between the most famous clubs of 2016 (who may not remain the biggest names forever). I expect the latter would for now, but what about in 10, 20, 50 years time?

Len Finsbury

Len Finsbury

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I'd like to think the BPL would tell them to go bollocks.

 

This raises another question. 

As part of the BPL, are these teams in a position to negotiate this without their consent. Are the 'rights' to the clubs owned by the BPL?

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