Barky Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 9 minutes ago, foxes21 said: Have to say the signings Everton have made this season are not typical Walsh signings, bar Gueye. They aren't utilising Walsh's talent (spotting rough diamonds), which is their own mistake. Instead they are trying to splash the cash on quite frankly, mediocre players. Walsh could get twice the player of Depay, for half the price if he was in charge of their scouting & not DOF. So even at Everton, all the good signings are Walsh's and the bad ones are someone else?
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 24 minutes ago, Ashley said: Drogba was a house hold name before Chelsea really? Household name is probably stretching it but he was a known entity. Especially after he battered Liverpool in the UEFA Cup.
foxes21 Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 44 minutes ago, Barky said: So even at Everton, all the good signings are Walsh's and the bad ones are someone else? sounds like DeJa Vu!
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 5 hours ago, ealingfox said: that infamous high-pitched whinge that emits loudly from the home stands after every single refereeing decisions is up there with the most thoroughly detestable things in English football. I really don't know what you mean
Izzy Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: Would he ever want to return to Leicester? Maybe if his family decided to move to Leicester for some reason, he might return to be close to his family...again
brucey Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 1 hour ago, foxes21 said: Have to say the signings Everton have made this season are not typical Walsh signings, bar Gueye. They aren't utilising Walsh's talent (spotting rough diamonds), which is their own mistake. Instead they are trying to splash the cash on quite frankly, mediocre players. Walsh could get twice the player of Depay, for half the price if he was in charge of their scouting & not DOF. The two Everton signings that were definite Walsh signings are Gueye and Bolasie, as we were linked to them just before Walsh left. Gueye has been a success, Bolasie has been injured so can't say. But I recall many here were appalled at us wanting to spend 30m on Bolasie.
Babylon Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 2 hours ago, Fox92 said: I didn't really know why you brought up Newcastle or what you're trying to prove. We're talking about a man that is highly rated and has found some good players. You can't expect Everton to turn everything around in one season given all the changes they went through in the summer. Because you said he had a proven record at Newcastle, when they think he was crap in the main. I dont expect everton to turn it around in a year and I'm not "trying to prove" anything, I'm just pointing out their opinion.
Babylon Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 1 hour ago, Ashley said: Drogba was a house hold name before Chelsea really? In the houses I knew yes, ones with an interest in football. He cost £24m about 14 years ago, you didn't tend to sign unknowns for that back then. He got Marseille to the UEFA cup final and scored a shed load. He was being looked at by all big clubs.
Ashley Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: In the houses I knew yes, ones with an interest in football. He cost £24m about 14 years ago, you didn't tend to sign unknowns for that back then. He got Marseille to the UEFA cup final and scored a shed load. He was being looked at by all big clubs. He was good yeah but I wouldn't go as far as how you described him not to mention Chelsea were throwing money at everyone and anyone in those days...
inckley fox Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 4 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Personally I think people massively overplay the role Steve Walsh had here. He wasnt the only scout and he didnt get every signing right. IMO he's no better or worse than any other head scout we've ever had here. If you go back to the year 2000 and look at the hundred-odd players over that period who we've signed without Steve Walsh's counsel, and the price of some of them, it's a reminder of how small a percentage of a club's signings work out. Of those players, the pick were probably Rowett, Walker, Dickov, Thatcher, Ferdinand, Fryatt, Schmeichel and Nugent, most of which didn't really require a scouting network to 'uncover' them. You may well be able to add Ndidi to that list soon, if he lives up to his fee. We probably had about a 10% success rate. That improved to unthinkable levels over the two Pearson reigns. Who were the flops? In the first spell they were budget buys or frees like Andrej Arjedevic (if that's his name), Robbie Neilson, Nicky Adams. In his second, much the same - Upson, Bakayogo, Futacs, Whitbread, arguably Taylor-Fletcher. There are few exceptions - perhaps Kramaric, who may yet make the grade for someone, and for whom we got a good chunk of money back. Even some of the post-Kante Ranieri-era Walsh buys, if that's what Musa, Amartey and Gray are, could go on to be very good players for us. It may be the case that the combination of Pearson and Walsh was more effective in team-building terms than, say, Ranieri and Walsh, or Walsh and whoever-the-Newcastle-boss-was-at-the-time, or Koeman and Walsh (after all, it'll be the manager who spells out what it is he's looking for, and green lights the targets he likes best). But our recruitment was outstanding for much of his time at the club. I thought that was a given.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 8 minutes ago, inckley fox said: If you go back to the year 2000 and look at the hundred-odd players over that period who we've signed without Steve Walsh's counsel, and the price of some of them, it's a reminder of how small a percentage of a club's signings work out. Of those players, the pick were probably Rowett, Walker, Dickov, Thatcher, Ferdinand, Fryatt, Schmeichel and Nugent, most of which didn't really require a scouting network to 'uncover' them. You may well be able to add Ndidi to that list soon, if he lives up to his fee. We probably had about a 10% success rate. That improved to unthinkable levels over the two Pearson reigns. Who were the flops? In the first spell they were budget buys or frees like Andrej Arjedevic (if that's his name), Robbie Neilson, Nicky Adams. In his second, much the same - Upson, Bakayogo, Futacs, Whitbread, arguably Taylor-Fletcher. There are few exceptions - perhaps Kramaric, who may yet make the grade for someone, and for whom we got a good chunk of money back. Even some of the post-Kante Ranieri-era Walsh buys, if that's what Musa, Amartey and Gray are, could go on to be very good players for us. It may be the case that the combination of Pearson and Walsh was more effective in team-building terms than, say, Ranieri and Walsh, or Walsh and whoever-the-Newcastle-boss-was-at-the-time, or Koeman and Walsh (after all, it'll be the manager who spells out what it is he's looking for, and green lights the targets he likes best). But our recruitment was outstanding for much of his time at the club. I thought that was a given. Add Kermorgant, N'Guessen, Gilbert, Gallagher, Marshall, Lawrence, Powell to the 9 you've mentioned. He is a good scout but the way people have lauded over him is way over the top. The main successes he's had are Mahrez, Vardy and Kante. Mahrez they found by accident as they were originally looking at someone else, Vardy had been scouted by several clubs because of the unusually high amount of goals he was scoring its just we were the club happy to punt £1m and Kante was playing in the top French tier with the best stats of anyone of his type. He did well but I dont see why so many people attribute our entire success or failure to one scout.
yorkie1999 Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 11 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Add Kermorgant, N'Guessen, Gilbert, Gallagher, Marshall, Lawrence, Powell to the 9 you've mentioned. He is a good scout but the way people have lauded over him is way over the top. The main successes he's had are Mahrez, Vardy and Kante. Mahrez they found by accident as they were originally looking at someone else, Vardy had been scouted by several clubs because of the unusually high amount of goals he was scoring its just we were the club happy to punt £1m and Kante was playing in the top French tier with the best stats of anyone of his type. He did well but I dont see why so many people attribute our entire success or failure to one scout. I thought Gallagher was alright
brucey Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 Just went over to Everton's forums, read their Gueye and Walsh threads, and now I feel really upset. Anyway apparently the original complete Koeman quote sounds like he's blaming someone else and not Walsh.
FraserSorensen Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 Just to throw my weight in, I was in the lower tier and heard nothing before, during or after the game from our fans about Walsh.
yag101 Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 5 minutes ago, brucey said: Just went over to Everton's forums, read their Gueye and Walsh threads, and now I feel really upset. Anyway apparently the original complete Koeman quote sounds like he's blaming someone else and not Walsh. Link to the forums? I fancy a cry
brucey Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 4 minutes ago, yag101 said: Link to the forums? I fancy a cry Here you go https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/idrissa-gueye.90148/page-230
Finnaldo Posted 8 January 2017 Posted 8 January 2017 33 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Add Kermorgant, N'Guessen, Gilbert, Gallagher, Marshall, Lawrence, Powell to the 9 you've mentioned. He is a good scout but the way people have lauded over him is way over the top. The main successes he's had are Mahrez, Vardy and Kante. Mahrez they found by accident as they were originally looking at someone else, Vardy had been scouted by several clubs because of the unusually high amount of goals he was scoring its just we were the club happy to punt £1m and Kante was playing in the top French tier with the best stats of anyone of his type. He did well but I dont see why so many people attribute our entire success or failure to one scout. Eh? Gilbert was a good RB while he was here in League One, then preceded to drop off massively when he went back to Arsenal which was out of our control. Gally was a solid player for us in the Championship and was always good for a FK or peno. Marshall started well here but his attitude was poor in the end so it's difficult to blame the changing attitude of a young lad on Walsh. Lawrence was/still is an unknown quantity bought in for the squad fringe/youth team. Yeah he cost us but the fee wasn't that significant and it's a bit harsh again to blame him for signing who was never really meant to slot into the first team. The three I'll give you are Kermogant, N'Guessan and Powell, but even then Kermo, funnily enough, turned to be a decent finisher at the level we were at but it didn't work for him here. N'Guessan was meh and we only payed a relative compensation sum to Lincoln for him. So really out of those names who only really have Powell you was a pretty shocking signing all considered, but even then it was a loan with a view to buy. We lost nothing. I respect your views but really can't see the angle to be honest. Steve Walsh's buys, especially some of his lower league gems, were absolutely inspired. Obviously a brilliant scout.
tom27111 Posted 9 January 2017 Posted 9 January 2017 6 hours ago, foxes21 said: sounds like DeJa Vu! Who's this guy? I'm guessing Portuguese? Is there a YouTube video? Is he better than Kante?
foxy boxing Posted 9 January 2017 Posted 9 January 2017 If Everton miss out on transfer targets that's not walsh's fault. he identifies possible targets, scouts them and then reports back to the Everton management to see if they are interested in signing the players and then make a plan to get said players. if they miss players for example Ndidi who we got.then that's just bad management not scouting. let's not forget they did get Gueye who a lot of Leicester fans would have taken
Webbo Posted 9 January 2017 Posted 9 January 2017 8 minutes ago, foxy boxing said: If Everton miss out on transfer targets that's not walsh's fault. he identifies possible targets, scouts them and then reports back to the Everton management to see if they are interested in signing the players and then make a plan to get said players. if they miss players for example Ndidi who we got.then that's just bad management not scouting. let's not forget they did get Gueye who a lot of Leicester fans would have taken He's Director of Football not just chief scout anymore. If our DoF is to blame when we don't sign our targets, he must be too.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 9 January 2017 Posted 9 January 2017 20 hours ago, Finnaldo said: Eh? Gilbert was a good RB while he was here in League One, then preceded to drop off massively when he went back to Arsenal which was out of our control. Gally was a solid player for us in the Championship and was always good for a FK or peno. Marshall started well here but his attitude was poor in the end so it's difficult to blame the changing attitude of a young lad on Walsh. Lawrence was/still is an unknown quantity bought in for the squad fringe/youth team. Yeah he cost us but the fee wasn't that significant and it's a bit harsh again to blame him for signing who was never really meant to slot into the first team. The three I'll give you are Kermogant, N'Guessan and Powell, but even then Kermo, funnily enough, turned to be a decent finisher at the level we were at but it didn't work for him here. N'Guessan was meh and we only payed a relative compensation sum to Lincoln for him. So really out of those names who only really have Powell you was a pretty shocking signing all considered, but even then it was a loan with a view to buy. We lost nothing. I respect your views but really can't see the angle to be honest. Steve Walsh's buys, especially some of his lower league gems, were absolutely inspired. Obviously a brilliant scout. Running the risk of sounding like Robbie Savage but its just my opinion. Making excuses for bad signings can be done for anyone but bad signings they remain. Like I said, i'm not saying he was a bad scout, just not as fantastic as people make out. Looks like we can add Benalouane to the list.
Moksky Posted 12 January 2017 Posted 12 January 2017 Credit going to Walsh for Everton signing of Algerian forward Ishak Belfodil for £10.5m from Standard Liege. Deal not quite done yet.
Countryfox Posted 12 January 2017 Posted 12 January 2017 2 hours ago, Moksky said: Credit going to Walsh for Everton signing of Algerian forward Ishak Belfodil for £10.5m from Standard Liege. Deal not quite done yet. Blimey ... They just keep coming ... Anyone would think he'd had a kick up the backside ...
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