Claudio

[MrSpaM]

Did anybody else notice yesterday how annoyed Claudio was getting towards the end of the game because the players were seemingly just not listening to him. He was screaming at them at one point towards the end of the game and the players were clearly ignoring him

[Grewks]

What has Claudio actually 'done'?

 

Signings?

The players which won the league last season were part of the previous regime.

 

Systems?

The system which won the league last season was part of the previous regime.

 

 

 

Shocking football, no effort, no co-ordination, no signs of improvement....quite frankly no clue.

[foxfanazer]

I feel so sorry for him, he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. I don't think he knows what's wrong sadly. Hope we give him the chance to resign so he doesn't taint his legacy 

[EGBFitness]

It's sad to say but it's time to go! 

 

My advice to Ranieri would be to resign now, he will still leave with his head held high and with a reputation in place. Yes it will be slightly dented after achieving the unthinkable to the disaster of this season but he is still well respected. 

 

It has been said a few times about how unsuccessful he becomes after 1/2 seasons at clubs and this unfortunately only backs it up - some managers can build on success and give a club a real identity, some see short term success but then fail to see any real progress. 

 

I was fairly critical of chelsea last season for sacking mourinho, I like to see clubs stick by their managers, although there was a lot wrong at Chelsea it was still a short time after he had won them the league. 

 

If i was seeing commitment and a real game plan I would be all for CR staying, unfortunately everything we have looks to have been completely dismantled - 

- players look disinterested/ sending wrong message. Yes you could play the players for 'not trying' and to be 'more professional' but it's still the job of a manager to manage these players, correct formations, tactics, motivate etc. It's worrying to hear players say we're too good to go down! 

- signings. Some players are still to be properly accounted for as still feels like it's a mixed bag and I'm sure some can go on to have a good career here but when CR is saying some signings aren't ready and players such as Hernandez could be getting loaned out after 6 months. Inler last season, Benny still here after barely playing. Zeiler poorly performing. How much CR had a say in signings I'm not too sure but they have been very poor from a team who won the league last season. 

- Steve Walsh. I still think there might of been more to him leaving and personally think his influence with certain players has had a massive effect. Whether that's CR's fault or not I don't know. 

- results. We are being humiliated with results and performances, it's embarrassing to watch! even in the season of the great escape we never got battered and we sat bottom for 5 months. 

 

We are lucky that Sunderland, Swansea, Palace and Boro have been so poor/unable to win games. Tbf to boro they should of had 6 points against us and looked the better side in both games, Palce look like they was unfortunate against Everton at the weekend and with Allardyce they have a chance of getting out of trouble and Swansea can go either way with clement in charge. 

 

We are in a relegation battle and look as bad if not if not worse than Sunderland at the minute. He seems to have lost the dressing room and ran out of ideas. This summer was huge for the club and we failed miserably, if we go down with the money paid out on transfers and wages it will be a disaster! We are definitely in threat of becoming the next Leeds

[Guest bennytwohats]

23 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I don't see where any alleged "xenophobic undertone of resentment" comes from.

If at all, people were poking fun at him appearing as an underwhelming choice of manager at the time (see Lineker's tweet), his then-recent failures on an international level, his likeable grandpa demeanour as well as his somewhat sympathetic grasp of English.

Those were all points about his persona, not his nationality or origin.

 

It is only logical that the manager is the first one to be put under scrutiny when things don't work well, especially when there's a series of (really) bad results, coupled with bad performances from so-called football pros.

 

And to be fair, we have already become a laughing stock to some extent - from what I gather, the drop in quality and league position in the space of six months of football is unprecedented in the history of English football.

 

But I'd be harsh to sack him now because he can still prove his worth in the Champions League and the FA Cup.

We won't go down in the league, but continue to flirt with the relegation zone. He should be given until the summer to see how our (read: his) midfield with Mendy, Ndidi and Amartey pans out and whether Huth, Morgan, Fuchs and Okazaki still have what it takes.

The more experienced players need a good rollicking in order to rediscover their motivation on the pitch - if Ranieri fails there, he should retire comes May/June.

Sacking him now, with only one week to go in the January transfer window, would be rather counterproductive.

Don't disagree with any of that tbh.

 

Re. The xenophobic thing don't want to completely derail the topic but it's endemic in football at the minute, and you can see it propagated as much on sky sports news as you do here - the reaction to Silva appointment at Hull, as with Bradley at Swansea. They don't know the game, how to dig in etc. Seen it over the years with people quick and eager to pounce on foreign players and foreign managers, seen it plenty on these forums over other issues. Not saying it's the only factor, but why the lack of patience for Ranieri compared to Pearson? I think you've referenced some quotes from the time that weren't xenophobic and maybe light hearted, but in amongst them I've seen enough that went the other way. And there was definitely a large amount of bitterness at the Pearson sacking and some subsequent 'they took our jobs' nonsense following Ranieri's appointment. Highlighted by the fact he is still constantly talked about here and given full credit for our title win from some corners. I acknowledge some of that is not xenophobic and has some pretty fair reasoning behind it, but I've also seen plenty that doesn't.

 

Thats not failing to acknowledge everything else you've mentioned and all the legitimate failings of the current squad and Ranieri. Just think he has earned more patience.

 

I also think that lack of patience does have other facets to it than the above, not least the over inflated expectations and perception of the size of our club off the back of last season.

 

Youre absolutely right that the fall is unprecedented, but then so was the rise. It's an incredibly harsh way to judge him against last season without acknowledging that we are only crucifying him against the standards he set himself. Taking last season out of the equation we are vastly outperforming our first season in the prem where we would be cut adrift in 20th place at this point. We practiced and preached patience then and it paid off massively, why not now? When you then factor in the success off last season it's utterly mind boggling that so many people are out for Ranieri with the daggers.

[Rusko187]

59 minutes ago, Grewks said:

What has Claudio actually 'done'?

 

Signings?

The players which won the league last season were part of the previous regime.

 

Systems?

The system which won the league last season was part of the previous regime.

 

 

 

Shocking football, no effort, no co-ordination, no signs of improvement....quite frankly no clue.

Sorry but that is a ridiculous statement to make, not all of those players were present from the previous regime and his inherited system he would still need to plan for and inspire the players. Like it or not Claudio is 'actually' a success at Leicester and damn well deserves more respect than what is being shown on here!

[sk3since03]

Bugs me how he constantly protects the players post match after games like yesterday when they have been absolute s*ite 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 minutes ago, sk3since03 said:

Bugs me how he constantly protects the players post match after games like yesterday when they have been absolute s*ite 

You don't do your dirty washing in public. Bad man management. There was enough in his comments to show his displeasure.

[Blue ROI]

29 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

Don't disagree with any of that tbh.

 

Re. The xenophobic thing don't want to completely derail the topic but it's endemic in football at the minute, and you can see it propagated as much on sky sports news as you do here - the reaction to Silva appointment at Hull, as with Bradley at Swansea. They don't know the game, how to dig in etc. Seen it over the years with people quick and eager to pounce on foreign players and foreign managers, seen it plenty on these forums over other issues. Not saying it's the only factor, but why the lack of patience for Ranieri compared to Pearson? I think you've referenced some quotes from the time that weren't xenophobic and maybe light hearted, but in amongst them I've seen enough that went the other way. And there was definitely a large amount of bitterness at the Pearson sacking and some subsequent 'they took our jobs' nonsense following Ranieri's appointment. Highlighted by the fact he is still constantly talked about here and given full credit for our title win from some corners. I acknowledge some of that is not xenophobic and has some pretty fair reasoning behind it, but I've also seen plenty that doesn't.

 

Thats not failing to acknowledge everything else you've mentioned and all the legitimate failings of the current squad and Ranieri. Just think he has earned more patience.

 

I also think that lack of patience does have other facets to it than the above, not least the over inflated expectations and perception of the size of our club off the back of last season.

 

Youre absolutely right that the fall is unprecedented, but then so was the rise. It's an incredibly harsh way to judge him against last season without acknowledging that we are only crucifying him against the standards he set himself. Taking last season out of the equation we are vastly outperforming our first season in the prem where we would be cut adrift in 20th place at this point. We practiced and preached patience then and it paid off massively, why not now? When you then factor in the success off last season it's utterly mind boggling that so many people are out for Ranieri with the daggers.

There is no xenophobia at play.

 

Leicester has had its fair share of mediocre English managers and it's not something people ignore here.

 

If Ranieri looked like he could get Leicester out of this position most of us would be happy.You simply cant ignore the shambolic nature of the diaply yesterday without having serious doubts about avoiding relegation.

[5waller5]

23 hours ago, Grewks said:

What has Claudio actually 'done'?

 

Signings?

The players which won the league last season were part of the previous regime.

 

Systems?

The system which won the league last season was part of the previous regime.

 

 

 

Shocking football, no effort, no co-ordination, no signs of improvement....quite frankly no clue.

 

WON THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH LCFC.

 

The level of disloyalty that the guy gets annoys me .....  this question is a new low.

[Johnthefoxrayner]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

 

WON THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH LCFC.

 

The level of disloyalty that the guy gets annoys me .....  this question is a new low.

I agree ? 

[Thracian]

I've believed we'll be better off without Ranieri since September or thereabouts when I jokingly said the best player I'd like to join us would be Jurgen Klopp! I'm even more of that view today.   

[Johnthefoxrayner]

23 hours ago, Rusko187 said:

Sorry but that is a ridiculous statement to make, not all of those players were present from the previous regime and his inherited system he would still need to plan for and inspire the players. Like it or not Claudio is 'actually' a success at Leicester and damn well deserves more respect than what is being shown on here!

Well said. People forget what he has done for the club. Premier league champions 

[Ric Flair]

On ‎23‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 11:13, Grewks said:

What has Claudio actually 'done'?

 

Signings?

The players which won the league last season were part of the previous regime.

 

Systems?

The system which won the league last season was part of the previous regime.

 

 

 

Shocking football, no effort, no co-ordination, no signs of improvement....quite frankly no clue.

Absolute fcuking rubbish, but I expected it from you as you're a windup merchant/cretin.

 

Pearson didn't have a clue how to utilize Vardy or Mahrez properly, nor could he get Drinkwater pulling the strings. He also marginalized Albrighton for the best part of 8 months. Ranieri might not have had to purchase class players to orchestrate last seasons phenomenal achievement but he had to mastermind a tactical change.

 

Pearson may have played 4-4-2 in the championship but he never pulled it off when we'd come up and it was quite astounding what Ranieri did given the end of the season before we we'd cleared up with 3-5-2.

 

Whatever is happening this season and Ranieri's failings should never lead to last season's achievements being questioned. Sporting teams of our ilk simply don't just win the league, not 38 games where the pressure becomes unbareable and underdogs inevitably come up short. Ranieri drove this team on, he handled the media and pressure faultlessly and I genuinely believe that was every bit as important as the performances on the pitch.

[Guest Col city fan]

The thing that Claudio did was the right thing to do. He simply changed very little.

He came into the club, saw that the players were generally a together unit, and let them get on with it.

Kante (signed before Ranieri) added to the mix. He was the right player and with the right personality. He didn't make any waves, is quite shy and just got on with the job.

HOWEVER... the signings that have been made since he came (whether by him or Rudkin or whomever) generally just look wrong. They look poor.

Amartey, Mendy, Slimani, Musa, Hernandez..... are these really any better than what we had? I think not. My feeling is that the only one of them who will go on to really shine will be Ndidi.

The shame of it is this....having got to such an unreal position...winning the league with fame and fortune, the lure of the Champions League and all that came with it, just imagine the calibre of player we could have had at the club!

I hope I'm wrong and that all the aforementioned come good. Amartey, for instance, if given a chance at centre back, may come good. He ain't a midfielder, that's for sure.

But if they don't, the legacy that Ranieri will leave at the club is one of first season, ridiculous success, and second season, ridiculous failure. If this squad gets relegated this season GIVEN THE POSITION WERE IN, it would be ridiculous.

So....actually the stamp that Claudio has left on the club, thus far, seems to be very sensible in his first season....he left it well alone, was positive, happy and dilly ding etc...whilst completely fookin up the second season (at least in the league...who knows in the Champs League?) with what look to be poor signings, not knowing his best team, tinkering with formations and getting a team performing at probably 50 per cent of their potential.

[filbertway]

I have to say, it does seem that his reputation of starting well and then getting worse at a club seems to be well earned.

 

Strikes me as he has no plan and just signs players on a whim, or is letting somebody sign players on a whim. I find it hard to believe that a manager doesn't have final say on players. It's completely pointless giving a manager players that he doesn't want.

 

I'd be all over Wagner or Howe right now, young progressive managers who have proven they can build decent teams. Well, Wagner is a little more unproven, but he's managed to put together a very decent team there.

 

I do really like the look of Nangelsman or whatever the hell his name is at Hoffenheim. The fact he's only coached at one club would possibly be an issue, but he's managing a team in the German top tier and doing remarkably.

 

Hughton might be another decent shout, strikes me as an intelligent manager, but don't know too much about him. 

 

Whoever replaces Claudio I'd hope they'd want to bring in an impressive backroom staff  (Scouts, analysis, sports science etc...) and look to improve every aspect of the club again, year after year. Something I think we've been lacking since Nigel's departure.

 

Claudio absolutely smashed it last year on the field, got the tactics and personnel spot on for games, but I feel he's more of a coach than a manager. I think other aspects of the club have been allowed to slide since he's taken over and this is probably contributing to the apparent disharmony.

[Ric Flair]

27 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

The thing that Claudio did was the right thing to do. He simply changed very little.

He came into the club, saw that the players were generally a together unit, and let them get on with it.

Kante (signed before Ranieri) added to the mix. He was the right player and with the right personality. He didn't make any waves, is quite shy and just got on with the job.

HOWEVER... the signings that have been made since he came (whether by him or Rudkin or whomever) generally just look wrong. They look poor.

Amartey, Mendy, Slimani, Musa, Hernandez..... are these really any better than what we had? I think not. My feeling is that the only one of them who will go on to really shine will be Ndidi.

The shame of it is this....having got to such an unreal position...winning the league with fame and fortune, the lure of the Champions League and all that came with it, just imagine the calibre of player we could have had at the club!

I hope I'm wrong and that all the aforementioned come good. Amartey, for instance, if given a chance at centre back, may come good. He ain't a midfielder, that's for sure.

But if they don't, the legacy that Ranieri will leave at the club is one of first season, ridiculous success, and second season, ridiculous failure. If this squad gets relegated this season GIVEN THE POSITION WERE IN, it would be ridiculous.

So....actually the stamp that Claudio has left on the club, thus far, seems to be very sensible in his first season....he left it well alone, was positive, happy and dilly ding etc...whilst completely fookin up the second season (at least in the league...who knows in the Champs League?) with what look to be poor signings, not knowing his best team, tinkering with formations and getting a team performing at probably 50 per cent of their potential.

Kante didn't sign before Ranieri came. I also believe the changes Ranieri made were more important than new signings anyway. As you say, he realised the magical bond these players had and with his ability to tweak tactics early on in new jobs it was a match made in heaven. Getting Vardy and Mahrez to have the freedom they got was incredible. Pearson never knew how to release Vardy like that and he was struggling to deal with Mahrez's mercurial play.

[NeilLCFC]

On 23/01/2017 at 11:13, Grewks said:

What has Claudio actually 'done'?

 

Signings?

The players which won the league last season were part of the previous regime.

 

Systems?

The system which won the league last season was part of the previous regime.

 

 

 

Shocking football, no effort, no co-ordination, no signs of improvement....quite frankly no clue.

Knowing how organised the previous regime was, it would not surprise me if Claudio lead us to the title using plans and tactics they had already put in place.

 

The more we've moved away from the previous way of doing things, toward the CR way of doing things, the worse we've become and that is no coincidence. 

 

Had CR got his way, we wouldn't have won the title last year, since Walsh really had to fight for the signing of  Kantè. Now that CR has free reign to do what he wants, I for one am not surprised by the crap we've signed recently or anything else that's going wrong.

[Corky]

Some people really are annoyed that Claudio won the league and not Nigel, aren't they?

 

Unbelievable to see a bad season this time used as a stick to decry the sterling effort the manager put in last season. Probably the same people who pointed to Pearson's Championship-winning effort when sat at the bottom of the Premier League. You can't have it both ways.

[Grewks]

On 1/23/2017 at 12:14, Rusko187 said:

Sorry but that is a ridiculous statement to make, not all of those players were present from the previous regime and his inherited system he would still need to plan for and inspire the players. Like it or not Claudio is 'actually' a success at Leicester and damn well deserves more respect than what is being shown on here!

Who wasn't here from the previous regime?

 

Fuchs - signed by Pearson/Walsh.

Kante - not wanted by Ranieri, Walsh persuaded him.

 

Benalouane - pointless and useless

Inler - pointless and useless

[waylander]

LEGEND

[blue army 1988]

On 24/01/2017 at 10:16, 5waller5 said:

 

WON THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH LCFC.

 

The level of disloyalty that the guy gets annoys me .....  this question is a new low.

 

Not saying I agree or disagree but would he still command the same respect and loyalty that some people are showing him this season if we do get relegated?

[blue army 1988]

On 28/01/2017 at 12:06, Corky said:

Some people really are annoyed that Claudio won the league and not Nigel, aren't they?

 

Unbelievable to see a bad season this time used as a stick to decry the sterling effort the manager put in last season. Probably the same people who pointed to Pearson's Championship-winning effort when sat at the bottom of the Premier League. You can't have it both ways.

I don't think people are annoyed which manager won the league.

Its more that we did won the league and were in this position with the shambles that is going on on the pitch.

[ARM1968]

Time for the Messiah to return?  NP. He's a very naughty boy. 

[AyewJoking]

when he was appointed manager i thought, "he doesnt have what it takes in a relegation scrap" which is what i thought last season was going to be.

 

i suppose it doesnt matter if about 100 posters on these forums and thousands at the games want him sacked.

 

the owners are backing him for better or worse.