Liverpool post match 3-1

[Koke]

I can't stress enough how bad Liverpool were. Wijnaldun and Firmino went missing. Lallana had 1 shot and did nothing else. Their back 4 are atrocious. Mane was a complete passenger. 

[Crazy Kop Corner]

 

2 minutes ago, Koke said:

I can't stress enough how bad Liverpool were. Wijnaldun and Firmino went missing. Lallana had 1 shot and did nothing else. Their back 4 are atrocious. Mane was a complete passenger. 

I tell you those players at Anfield were not crap and ran rings round us.

 

Were they crap or did we get back the old Leicester back? I think the latter.

 

........ and yes I am prone to getting carried away.

[Royston.]

we were up for it,

liverpool were bad and didnt cramp our style.

mane had a quiet game (after vardy banged him early on)

a bonus 3 points imo and positive reaction to ranieri's dismissal and shakespeares interim.

 

pray its not another false dawn.

[sm1]

We never allowed them to play. From the first moment when Vardy left his foot in, Mane was finished. Thankfully the rest of the team followed suit. We made 31 tackles in that game. Our average is 16 this season. We stopped our tactic of shadowing players for putting the boot in . Liverpool only got the ball as we started to tire out. This is what I've been waiting for all season, we've finally tackling. 

[filbertway]

10 minutes ago, Koke said:

I can't stress enough how bad Liverpool were. Wijnaldun and Firmino went missing. Lallana had 1 shot and did nothing else. Their back 4 are atrocious. Mane was a complete passenger. 

I wonder if Vardy smashing him immediately played any part in that.

 

You're right though, Liverpool look a shadow of the team that was taking teams apart at the start of the season. Not just against us, but since the turn of the year.

 

Not to take anything away from the lads though, that first half we were all over them and didn't give them a chance to get it together.

[Pasty1]

36 minutes ago, Koke said:

I can't stress enough how bad Liverpool were. Wijnaldun and Firmino went missing. Lallana had 1 shot and did nothing else. Their back 4 are atrocious. Mane was a complete passenger. 

Mane was dead after that tackle from Vardy early on!!! Good lad!

[lgfualol]

38 minutes ago, Koke said:

I can't stress enough how bad Liverpool were. Wijnaldun and Firmino went missing. Lallana had 1 shot and did nothing else. Their back 4 are atrocious. Mane was a complete passenger. 

Hull will be much more of a test

[Adster]

Lucas Leiva at CB position was the real killer. And people think Ranieri's tactics were bad at times.

[Koke]

1 minute ago, Adster said:

Lucas Leiva at CB position was the real killer. And people think Ranieri's tactics were bad at times.

 

Tbf Lucas had Kane in his pocket few weeks ago.

 

I agree though, Klopp needs to actually buy proper players and play them in their right positions. None of this Milner at LB and Lucas at CB.

[Adster]

6 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Tbf Lucas had Kane in his pocket few weeks ago.

 

I agree though, Klopp needs to actually buy proper players and play them in their right positions. None of this Milner at LB and Lucas at CB.

Kane is a different prospect though, although he did well to keep him at bay. Vardy is a real runner though, a nightmare for someone like Lucas. It sounds bad but Kane doesn't actually do an awful lot apart from score goals.

 

They have Sakho out on loan whilst playing an old midfielder at CB, it's ridiculous! It's easy to see why our forwards battered them last night.

[StriderHiryu]

4 hours ago, erlee said:

i am confused ,,,  people & FT pundits says " the players like to push high press high but ranieri told us to sit back/low"

 

hang on.. foxes have always sit low CR or not. Last year we consistently had 30% or less of ball-possession AND sitting low

And surely fat morgan & leaden leg Huth - the only time they crossed the mid line is for corners.

 

so i don't get it. Sitting back in the box area has always been their modus operandi - unless huth & morgan has sprung an extra leg.

 

today's game - when did the back 4 push or press up high?? never happened.

 

OTH Liverfool were the ones pushing high up & got caught out twice by foxes counter attack goal#1 & #3.

Against speedie teams with fat legged defenders - pushing high is suicidal !!

Our system and way of playing is  unusual despite lining up as a 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1. Most high pressing teams like Tottenham have large amounts of possession but take longer to fashion a goal scoring opportunity. In contrast, at our best last season we would win the ball back and immediately transition into an attack, aka the "hoof ball". The whole team would push up to give added impetus to our attacking play. At our best we'd get about teams from the start of the match to grab an early lead.

When we lose the ball or if we can't get it back quickly we sit in two banks of 4 and gradually retreat backwards. We pack the centre of the pitch to encourage teams to go wide and cross it, as with Huth / Morgan / Kasper we have players who are very good in the air.

 

This season, Claudio changed it so we stopped pressing high and reverted to sitting back from the start of the game. This is the famous Italian Catenaccio style tactic which has proven to be very successful in the past. I expect he did this to preserve team energy given an additional set of games this season and because Morgan and Huth are a year older and their physical condition is visibly worse. But the difference meant that we never got started in games. We gave too much initiative to the opposition and every time we went behind, it was game over. it has been the story of so many of our performances this season. I expect it's also why he lost the dressing room.

 

To give Claudio some credit, we can't just play a high press forever. It is physically draining - look at how many of our players were completely spent at 70 minutes in. At the end of the game Ndidi who broke the record for KM ran in the Europa League this season looked like he needed CPR, Vardy looked like a guy who smokes 60 a day. At some point we need a plan B, with possibly a more possession based approach. But I expect that from now till the end of the season we will play high press. We will lose some games and it will get found out in others, but I think with the level of talent we have in the team, it has a high chance of keeping us up.

 

 

 

[Johnthefoxrayner]

5 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

No, it wasnt embarrasing, it was the fans saying their goodbyes and thanks , to a recognised Leicester legend.

Nothing more.!!

I supported the owners descision, I was footballing terms heartbroken, I wanted him to get the season.

That said there was always a but!!

The management knew they had an hard descision to make, I can only applaud them...

The fans tribute last night was simply that a tribute, well done to the terraces.  

5 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

No, it wasnt embarrasing, it was the fans saying their goodbyes and thanks , to a recognised Leicester legend.

Nothing more.!!

I supported the owners descision, I was footballing terms heartbroken, I wanted him to get the season.

That said there was always a but!!

The management knew they had an hard descision to make, I can only applaud them...

The fans tribute last night was simply that a tribute, well done to the terraces.  

Agree ? 

[Thracian]

4 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Our system and way of playing is  unusual despite lining up as a 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1. Most high pressing teams like Tottenham have large amounts of possession but take longer to fashion a goal scoring opportunity. In contrast, at our best last season we would win the ball back and immediately transition into an attack, aka the "hoof ball". The whole team would push up to give added impetus to our attacking play. At our best we'd get about teams from the start of the match to grab an early lead.

When we lose the ball or if we can't get it back quickly we sit in two banks of 4 and gradually retreat backwards. We pack the centre of the pitch to encourage teams to go wide and cross it, as with Huth / Morgan / Kasper we have players who are very good in the air.

 

This season, Claudio changed it so we stopped pressing high and reverted to sitting back from the start of the game. This is the famous Italian Catenaccio style tactic which has proven to be very successful in the past. I expect he did this to preserve team energy given an additional set of games this season and because Morgan and Huth are a year older and their physical condition is visibly worse. But the difference meant that we never got started in games. We gave too much initiative to the opposition and every time we went behind, it was game over. it has been the story of so many of our performances this season. I expect it's also why he lost the dressing room.

 

To give Claudio some credit, we can't just play a high press forever. It is physically draining - look at how many of our players were completely spent at 70 minutes in. At the end of the game Ndidi who broke the record for KM ran in the Europa League this season looked like he needed CPR, Vardy looked like a guy who smokes 60 a day. At some point we need a plan B, with possibly a more possession based approach. But I expect that from now till the end of the season we will play high press. We will lose some games and it will get found out in others, but I think with the level of talent we have in the team, it has a high chance of keeping us up.

 

 

 

I've referred to Ranieri's belief in Catenaccio before and that's exactly what changed tactically this season and it's been a big mistake because it played to the weaknesses of our back line rather than their strengths, particularly but not exclusively concerning the centre-backs. 

 

Last night we put pressure on Liverpool from the off. So much so that virtually the whole of the first 20 minutes was played in their half. I was beginning to become concerned that we'd not forced a breakthrough and might start to fade a bit but instead we scored two brilliant goals exactly when they needed them and another in the second half to take any emerging belief from Liverpool. 

 

After that we sat back and invited trouble but I don't think there was ever going to be an alternative. Our players were collectively shattered but they did retain the discipline (barring the one lapse) to force Liverpool to play across the field, back and forth and, finally, most of the time to put a cross into the box where our specialist defenders either dealt with it or put enough pressure on the attackers to negate any contact.

 

Shakespeare clearly recognised this through his changes which were basically designed to ease the pressure. Liverpool had no answer. With Mane subdued they had little to break down our defensive barrier and were hardly equipped to master us aerially.

 

Altogether our tactics were logical and worked all-but perfectly.

Hopefully the result will give us the confidence and energy to drive on from here and to keep our heads up if we suffer a setback. 

       

[TheMightySystem]

What I loved the most was just before we conceded Amartey was ready to come on and change the formation to a 4-5-1. Shows to me that Shakespeare knew they were finding too much space in the second half between the midfield and defense and looked to strengthen it, sadly they scored before the change was made but it shows a proactive manager rather then a reactive one and helped us to see out the game. The players also knew what to do when the formation was changed and we still created chances despite Vardy being alone up top, something which didn't happen under Ranieri.

[Lovejoy]

People saying Liverpool were crap, they were. But so was everyone we beat on our way to the title. Part of what we have done so well is make other teams play below themselves. Organisation at the back means they can't play through us and our fast attack breaks them down and stretches them. I'm sure for an opposition fan playing against us on days like yesterday, we're bloody annoying, especially for those obsessed with possession stats.

[Corky]

Excellent performance, great atmosphere, cracking goals and emotional tribute. Part of me still wishes Ranieri was part of it but it's clear something was so wrong inside the club. The players looked like they had no pressure last night, they went at the opposition instead of sitting off and letting them dictate the game.

 

It doesn't mean we're back or safe because we need to back it up but it's the best performance for a long time. Well done to all for producing it and the fans for backing the team when they could've turned. Just hope it's the start of a run of good results and performances to drag us up the table.

 

Vardy, Ndidi, the whole back four and Albrighton the stand outs for me.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

16 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Lads, thank you. Seriously, thank you.

If they could play like that last night, then they were able to before, so it would seem the players were deliberately not playing well. Shame on them!

 

 

[ZeGuy]

2 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

If they could play like that last night, then they were able to before, so it would seem the players were deliberately not playing well. Shame on them!

 

 

Please don't tell me you've fallen for it too.

[lifted*fox]

Just now, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

If they could play like that last night, then they were able to before, so it would seem the players were deliberately not playing well. Shame on them!

 

wrong. so, so wrong. 

 

how simple can someone make it for you to understand - the players and Shakespeare and even Ranieri himself have alluded to the fact that he has had them playing a different system where high pressing wasn't a priority.

 

the players haven't been pressing like that this season because they were TOLD NOT TO.

 

give me strength, honestly.  

[erlee]

21 hours ago, Thracian said:

I've referred to Ranieri's belief in Catenaccio before and that's exactly what changed tactically this season and it's been a big mistake because it played to the weaknesses of our back line rather than their strengths, particularly but not exclusively concerning the centre-backs. 

 

Last night we put pressure on Liverpool from the off. So much so that virtually the whole of the first 20 minutes was played in their half. I was beginning to become concerned that we'd not forced a breakthrough and might start to fade a bit but instead we scored two brilliant goals exactly when they needed them and another in the second half to take any emerging belief from Liverpool. 

 

After that we sat back and invited trouble but I don't think there was ever going to be an alternative. Our players were collectively shattered but they did retain the discipline (barring the one lapse) to force Liverpool to play across the field, back and forth and, finally, most of the time to put a cross into the box where our specialist defenders either dealt with it or put enough pressure on the attackers to negate any contact.

 

Shakespeare clearly recognised this through his changes which were basically designed to ease the pressure. Liverpool had no answer. With Mane subdued they had little to break down our defensive barrier and were hardly equipped to master us aerially.

 

Altogether our tactics were logical and worked all-but perfectly.

Hopefully the result will give us the confidence and energy to drive on from here and to keep our heads up if we suffer a setback. 

       

gggreat.. shakey & co. plus players should be invited to FoxesTalk to receive some of our pearls of (football) wisdom..

why CR can't see this/his failure, why oh why  - CR is supposed to be a top-level-coach

Maybe CR has been consumed by his trophies/medals/accolades.

[erlee]

20 hours ago, Lovejoy said:

People saying Liverpool were crap, they were. But so was everyone we beat on our way to the title. Part of what we have done so well is make other teams play below themselves. Organisation at the back means they can't play through us and our fast attack breaks them down and stretches them. I'm sure for an opposition fan playing against us on days like yesterday, we're bloody annoying, especially for those obsessed with possession stats.

i think Liverfool is quite  a decent team but - really they ran out of ideas with their possession & in the box

Infact the liverfools/fans are now asking for klop's head #KloppOut  -latest 

[Ian S]

13 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

If they could play like that last night, then they were able to before, so it would seem the players were deliberately not playing well. Shame on them!

 

 

It really is not as simple as that, you do make some strange comments.

Bet you believe everything that has been written in the media as well.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

8 minutes ago, daz*dsb said:

 

wrong. so, so wrong. 

 

how simple can someone make it for you to understand - the players and Shakespeare and even Ranieri himself have alluded to the fact that he has had them playing a different system where high pressing wasn't a priority.

 

the players haven't been pressing like that this season because they were TOLD NOT TO.

 

give me strength, honestly.  

You are entitled to your opinion, but our opinions remain poles apart.

[Mease]

16 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

If they could play like that last night, then they were able to before, so it would seem the players were deliberately not playing well. Shame on them!

 

 

"Come on!" Sucked into the whole media frenzy too. Football and people are not that simple. 

[Mease]

1 hour ago, Lovejoy said:

People saying Liverpool were crap, they were. But so was everyone we beat on our way to the title. Part of what we have done so well is make other teams play below themselves. Organisation at the back means they can't play through us and our fast attack breaks them down and stretches them. I'm sure for an opposition fan playing against us on days like yesterday, we're bloody annoying, especially for those obsessed with possession stats.

They were crap, we made them look terrible though. Play as we did last night and we will pick up enough points to be well clear.