Kapustka to Freiburg - Now Agreed

[foxile5]

If his name was John Green nobody would give a flying shit. He's got the exotic Football Manager name, therefore we need to keep him and, if possible, play him in a position not natural to him. It's the foreign player with an exciting name way. 

[pSinatra]

We took a punt on him & it hasn't worked out.  I'm sure just about every club in the PL has bought players, with high expectations, that haven't worked out.

 

We are not alone.  Not every signing is going to be a winner.

 

There's probably people on the Stoke City forum calling for someone to be played, because he cost a bit, he's young & he looked good on a Youtube compilation.  The reason we don't hear about it - he's stuck in the reserves doing nothing of any significance.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

 

Benny has turned out to be a decent player so yeah managers make mistakes. 

 

Maybe Ranieri has made the same mistake with Kap that he has with Benny. We will never know cos we won't see him play for us.

 

We're on to the second manager now who won't give him a sniff for starters.

 

Benny has turned out to just be an ok squad player, he's done ok recently... but he's also been battered all over the place and dominated in some. We have had no injuries to Wes and Huth to really need to use him that much anyway.

 

Benny was hampered by being no better than what we already had more than anything.

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

The management decided Benny wasn't good enough for 2 whole years. Turns out he's actually not a bad player. Not everything the management say or do is the gospel.

They decided he's not better than Wes or Huth and he's not.

[les-tah]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They decided he's not better than Wes or Huth and he's not.

Huth is the best defender.. but Wes is average. Huth has made him 10x the player he is today.

 

just my opinion.

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, m4DD0gg said:

Total nonsense, Vardy, Drinkwater, Morgan, Mahrez, Kasper, Simpson

Who of your list did we develop. None were young kids and all playing regular football. Vardy none league yes we helped and mahrez. But none of your list went into our youth setup. All went straight into our senior squad.

[Koke]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They decided he's not better than Wes or Huth and he's not.

 

Wasilewski was picked ahead of Benny under Ranieri. And we all know Benny is a better option than Wasilewski. So Ranieri did make a mistake on that.

 

Managers make errors a lot of time when it comes to judging players.

[lgfualol]

1 minute ago, Koke said:

 

Wasilewski was picked ahead of Benny under Ranieri. And we all know Benny is a better option than Wasilewski. So Ranieri did make a mistake on that.

 

Managers make errors a lot of time when it comes to judging players.

Albrighton being a pretty good example. He couldn't even make the bench in his first season until towards the end, and his competition during that season wasn't exactly tough. 

[MC Prussian]

12 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They decided he's not better than Wes or Huth and he's not.

At the time, there simply was no way past Morgan and Huth. One could argue both of them aren't/weren't necessarily better footballers compared to Benalouane, but I can see why the manager didn't want to break up such a well-oiled machine.

 

Now, however, as both Morgan and Huth struggle a bit more often or have struggled more often than they used to, I think it's time we start to think about moving on. I don't want to get rid of neither Morgan nor Huth, but they will hit their peak eventually or have already done so.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

Wasilewski was picked ahead of Benny under Ranieri. And we all know Benny is a better option than Wasilewski. So Ranieri did make a mistake on that.

 

Managers make errors a lot of time when it comes to judging players.

Was has barely even played himself, and when he did sometimes Benny was out injured or on loan... which could feasibly be at his request.

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

At the time, there simply was no way past Morgan and Huth. One could argue both of them aren't/weren't necessarily better footballers compared to Benalouane, but I can see why the manager didn't want to break up such a well-oiled machine.

 

Now, however, as both Morgan and Huth struggle a bit more often or have struggled more often than they used to, I think it's time we start to think about moving on. I don't want to get rid of neither Morgan nor Huth, but they will hit their peak eventually or have already done so.

Absolutely, now is the ideal time to get in a young top class defender and you can rotate the three. If Benny wants to stick around he's more than capable of filling a spot as well to cover injury, but he might want regular games.

[m4DD0gg]

54 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Who of your list did we develop. None were young kids and all playing regular football. Vardy none league yes we helped and mahrez. But none of your list went into our youth setup. All went straight into our senior squad.

which is where our strengths are, developing lets be honest fairly crap players into premier league champions

 

 

[Thracian]

59 minutes ago, les-tah said:

Huth is the best defender.. but Wes is average. Huth has made him 10x the player he is today.

 

just my opinion.

 

 

Not at all sure about that. Huth has his strengths but in the absence of Morgan it was the comparatively lightweight Benny who was left to cope with Lukako and Benteke - not Huth who was the only guy we had who was big enough and strong enough to cope. Morgan's usually handled Lukaku from what I've watched and Benteke too. It certainly looked harsh on Benny having to do the job.      

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Thracian said:

 

 

Not at all sure about that. Huth has his strengths but in the absence of Morgan it was the comparatively lightweight Benny who was left to cope with Lukako and Benteke - not Huth who was the only guy we had who was big enough and strong enough to cope. Morgan's usually handled Lukaku from what I've watched and Benteke too. It certainly looked harsh on Benny having to do the job.      

He wasn't "left to cope" they pulled onto him on purpose. If Huth switched to that side to cover them then they would just switch to the other side again.

 

You can't expect centre backs to be continuously swapping positions to cover one player, all will end up happening is confusion and someone will end up out of position.

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Koke said:

People just want players to be given a chance so they can be judged whether they're any good or not.

It isn't your place to judge whether they are good enough.

 

I've said it 1000 times on here and I'll say it another 1000, it's absolutely ludicrous to ask for players to be played so FANS can decide if they are good enough or not.

 

If it was down to fans opinions, most of the team that won the league would already have been sold, or not even signed in the first place.

 

[Fox 4 Life]

Why are people still going on about Kramaric? He is average, doing ok at Hoffenheim but there is some dross in the German league.

[Koke]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It isn't your place to judge whether they are good enough.

 

I've said it 1000 times on here and I'll say it another 1000, it's absolutely ludicrous to ask for players to be played so FANS can decide if they are good enough or not.

 

If it was down to fans opinions, most of the team that won the league would already have been sold, or not even signed in the first place.

 

 

Of course players won't play based on fan opinion. But we all have an opinion on the game. Otherwise what's the point of even having a forum and radio shows. It's just, like, our opinion, man.

 

Managers make errors. Just because they deem a player not good enough doesn't mean he is useless. Everything Ranieri did or said was not the gospel

 

Interesting you mention the title winning team. A lot of them were judged by other club managers and deemed not good enough.

[Koke]

8 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Why are people still going on about Kramaric? He is average, doing ok at Hoffenheim but there is some dross in the German league.

 

There are some utter dross in the Premier League as well. 

 

We don't need Kram but he's got 12 goals in a team that's gonna play Champions League football next season. So let's just a knowledge that he didn't suit us and we don't miss him but he's not a rubbish player.

[STUHILL]

He cost us £7.5 million, which in today's market is pocket change. 

 

I would loan him to a Championship club for a full season and see how he does. He may surprise us and be a standout player, or he may do nothing of note, in which case we cut our losses and sell next summer. He came with huge hype and hasn't lived up to it, although he did OK when chucked in the first team. Worth waiting a year on this one, due to his low transfer fee and what we would be able to get back for him. 

[Wymsey]

A loan, like a move to Derby (who usually have some over-rated, under-performing and over-priced players), would be good for both parties.

 

As King has rather improved recently and the rest of midfield (though Drinkwater was been somewhat subdued over the past few weeks imo) has been relatively strong and able to cope under pressure, Kapusta is still overlooked and will do his confidence more poorly.

[Thracian]

49 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He wasn't "left to cope" they pulled onto him on purpose. If Huth switched to that side to cover them then they would just switch to the other side again.

 

You can't expect centre backs to be continuously swapping positions to cover one player, all will end up happening is confusion and someone will end up out of position.

Man marking's always seemed pretty straightforward to me. It was a long time ago I admit and I recognise it's out of fashion now but I don't see the rules have changed on the issue.

 

Yes, I recognise they now pose particular problems for Huth's uncompromising style but that doesn't negate the fact that Benny's  completely unsuited to coping with either one of the players I mentioned if either are being fed aerially.

 

 He's not big enough or strong enough and it's no us anyone pretending he is. He'd only cope if the supply of crosses was cut (perhaps the best solution) but we didn't.attend to that and I'm not convinced we could have done. Bottom line, the big lad's should have been Huth's responsibility in the absence of Morgan and if we couldn't reduce crosses to zero.         

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

 

Of course players won't play based on fan opinion. But we all have an opinion on the game. Otherwise what's the point of even having a forum and radio shows. It's just, like, our opinion, man.

 

Managers make errors. Just because they deem a player not good enough doesn't mean he is useless. Everything Ranieri did or said was not the gospel

 

Interesting you mention the title winning team. A lot of them were judged by other club managers and deemed not good enough.

Nobody is saying you can't have an opinion and nobody is saying managers don't make mistakes. But you can't just play people to satisfy your or my curiosity. You have no choice but to accept the managers opinion, asking for people to play just to have a look just isn't feasible. Where do you draw the line, there have been youth players performing better than him in the under 23's... do we need to see them as well?

[Koke]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Nobody is saying you can't have an opinion and nobody is saying managers don't make mistakes. But you can't just play people to satisfy your or my curiosity. You have no choice but to accept the managers opinion, asking for people to play just to have a look just isn't feasible. Where do you draw the line, there have been youth players performing better than him in the under 23's... do we need to see them as well?

 

I think when the team is playing poorly it's natural for fans to ask for X player to be given a chance because "he can't be any worse". That's also why a lot of City fans were annoyed that Musa was picked ahead if Gray under CR. 

 

I won't lose any sleep over Kap being offloaded in the summer. It's just regrettable that we've wasted £7.5m on him without having a plan for him.

[fuchsntf]

I would start to play him..give him  shinjis position( not role).

We wont lose games because of him...so give him the run in..

[Foxxed]

Has he shined in the u23s? I can't remember him getting on the score sheet.

 

Benny seemed to have impressed more in the u23s - although I could have basing that on his A+ instagram game at the time. And Chilwell certainly impressed there.

 

If both Ranieri and Shakey aren't so keen on first team outings then loan him out. I don't know why we'd sell him.