Kapustka to Freiburg - Now Agreed

[Gerard]

I'm happy enough for the people at the club to decide whether he's worth persevering with or not as they have far more information and are much better qualified than most of us who have only seen him for an hour or so.

 

A lot of our fans seem to want to keep players until it's 100% confirmed they're crap but I'm all for a high turnover of players who haven't quite made the grade. There were people fretting about selling Schlupp for £12m and it's possible things might click for him in a couple of years and adding that to his brilliant physical attributes he might become a top class player but considering he was 24 and had made over 100 appearances and still hadn't progressed that much then £12m is a great offer.

 

If the consensus at the club is Kaputska will never quite be our level then I'm happy to sell.

[Guest CityFan 06]

I would like us to keep Kapustka. I very much like the look of him judging from footage and his style of play. Not sure he will stay now but I think he could be an asset for us. Capable of playing out wide and potentially as a CAM; he would give us another dimension. 

 

He's tidy and skilful on the ball. It's a shame he hasn't been involved. Feels to me if he does move on he will go down a similar road as Kramaric. Another player we should've perhaps given more of an opportunity. A player I would keep, has real potential, but unlikely.

[STUHILL]

For the sake of recouping 7.5 million, if we are even able to get that much back, as I am sure it will be argued we overpaid and his price has dropped from 0 game time and influence, I would actually prefer us to send him out on a season long loan to a Championship club. 

 

See how he does for a full season in a tough league, playing 46 games. If he excels then we could bring him back into the fold for 2018/19 season. If he fails to do anything of note, then we sell him and cut our losses. 

 

I think that will be the most likely, unless he isn't keen on a loan move or if a championship club is unwilling to cover the bulk of his wages

 

 

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, STUHILL said:

For the sake of recouping 7.5 million, if we are even able to get that much back, as I am sure it will be argued we overpaid and his price has dropped from 0 game time and influence, I would actually prefer us to send him out on a season long loan to a Championship club. 

 

See how he does for a full season in a tough league, playing 46 games. If he excels then we could bring him back into the fold for 2018/19 season. If he fails to do anything of note, then we sell him and cut our losses. 

 

I think that will be the most likely, unless he isn't keen on a loan move or if a championship club is unwilling to cover the bulk of his wages

 

 

Sorry but this idea a player might play well or bad for another club is meaningless. Trust/motivation/doubt.

If any player is going to make it, then lets see what they can do in a Leicester shirt.

We aint one of those big teams that can invest in 3-5 players, then hand them out for loan..

A  Fringe young player costing pennies Ok..!!   

 

Kapu has played at an higher level than Championship, what a waste.

Either gametime in 1st team, maybe More  cameo rolls, but also little runs in the team, to see how he developes.

We did right with Schlupp, slowly with some big games. Has an individual though he seemed to find his level, and just seemed to stay still Looking over his last 2 seasons

. That doesnt mean he cant hold a PL level, just not for us.

To be fair this season when he really should of kicked on, the whole bloody team were not avg, but downright poor.

 

Yes we won the league,including our great  Escape season but how many outsiders have we seen, or been allowed to see develope with any decent game time.

Compared to the top 10 teams we have seemed slow in introducing new

Players and throw them into the fray..For my mind a little too cautious.

Simpson, Fuchs, Huth , Mahrez , then Kante have used their chances, but all 5 were taken expecting quick and immediate 1st team inclusion.

I believe we were as mentioned too cautious with Kramaric, and Now Kapustka, more forward players,with different Skill sets, and mental approach.

Amartey....was an investment to develope. Ndidi did well from the start, but is still young, and has had some stuttering moments

(unlike some I dont see that as a reason to push a player totally out)

 

This summer, we will see if Mendy can get on top of his injury problems.

Lawrence cant be a perpetual loanee.

Musa/Slimani havent yet exploded on the scene, but if they are happy to stay why not.!!

Gray we expect to see further developement, and more Game time.

Ulloa, he is more likely want to see more game time...So he will most likely be on the move.

So if Slim has an awkward injury, I want to see Kapu next to Vardy, he can also drop into midfield support, probably better than Shinji....

Thats Just my opinion ,

 So whatever Shakey will be thankfully doing the choosing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[STUHILL]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

Sorry but this idea a player might play well or bad for another club is meaningless. Trust/motivation/doubt.

If any player is going to make it, then lets see what they can do in a Leicester shirt.

We aint one of those big teams that can invest in 3-5 players, then hand them out for loan..

A  Fringe young player costing pennies Ok..!!   

 

Kapu has played at an higher level than Championship, what a waste.

Either gametime in 1st team, maybe More  cameo rolls, but also little runs in the team, to see how he developes.

We did right with Schlupp, slowly with some big games. Has an individual though he seemed to find his level, and just seemed to stay still Looking over his last 2 seasons

. That doesnt mean he cant hold a PL level, just not for us.

To be fair this season when he really should of kicked on, the whole bloody team were not avg, but downright poor.

 

Yes we won the league,including our great  Escape season but how many outsiders have we seen, or been allowed to see develope with any decent game time.

Compared to the top 10 teams we have seemed slow in introducing new

Players and throw them into the fray..For my mind a little too cautious.

Simpson, Fuchs, Huth , Mahrez , then Kante have used their chances, but all 5 were taken expecting quick and immediate 1st team inclusion.

I believe we were as mentioned too cautious with Kramaric, and Now Kapustka, more forward players,with different Skill sets, and mental approach.

Amartey....was an investment to develope. Ndidi did well from the start, but is still young, and has had some stuttering moments

(unlike some I dont see that as a reason to push a player totally out)

 

This summer, we will see if Mendy can get on top of his injury problems.

Lawrence cant be a perpetual loanee.

Musa/Slimani havent yet exploded on the scene, but if they are happy to stay why not.!!

Gray we expect to see further developement, and more Game time.

Ulloa, he is more likely want to see more game time...So he will most likely be on the move.

So if Slim has an awkward injury, I want to see Kapu next to Vardy, he can also drop into midfield support, probably better than Shinji....

Thats Just my opinion ,

 So whatever Shakey will be thankfully doing the choosing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree. I think that is exactly what the loan window is for and how it can help us see if our youngsters can show their worth, by playing week in and week out. 

 

I also don't believe Kaputska has played regularly at a higher level than the Championship unless you class the Polish league as better?

 

We are indeed one of those bigger teams now. Certainly not on the scale of the big 6, but certainly big enough and rich enough, that we can invest in young players and then send them out on loan to get regular game time if needed, rather than wasting in the u23s. 

 

Schlupp found his level because we started bedding him into the team in the Championship (3 seasons) and then the Premiership. 

 

I think the Championship is a great, competitive, typical English league that over 46 games, is a brilliant test and learning curve for a young player, especially from abroad. 

 

I also said in my post, that a championship club would need to cover the bulk of his wages, which I think is the norm these days anyway. Lowly Bristol City cover the full 25k a week wages of Tammy Abraham for example. So, in terms of young fringe players costing us money. That wouldn't really be the case, not in terms of wages anyway.

 

I also think that even if he isn't deemed good enough for us after a year on loan, then his value to another team may well be spotted and we could even make a profit on his £7.5million fee. Look at Tom Lawrence for example. Still might not be considered good enough for us, but now has plenty of suitors after a successful loan period. 

 

If we are to get rid of any young, fringe player who doesn't immediately push his way into the first team, then we would be left with a pretty threadbare squad. The loan system is there to be used, and can be hughly beneficial to bigger clubs, who have young talented players that aren't yet ready for Premier League football, but have the potential to be and a 1 year stint in the Championship could have a huge positive impact on their development and can be a very positive low cost option to discovering if with regular game time, a player can show strong signs of making an impact at a higher level. 

 

 

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, STUHILL said:

I disagree. I think that is exactly what the loan window is for and how it can help us see if our youngsters can show their worth, by playing week in and week out. 

 

I also don't believe Kaputska has played regularly at a higher level than the Championship unless you class the Polish league as better?

 

We are indeed one of those bigger teams now. Certainly not on the scale of the big 6, but certainly big enough and rich enough, that we can invest in young players and then send them out on loan to get regular game time if needed, rather than wasting in the u23s. 

 

Schlupp found his level because we started bedding him into the team in the Championship (3 seasons) and then the Premiership. 

 

I think the Championship is a great, competitive, typical English league that over 46 games, is a brilliant test and learning curve for a young player, especially from abroad. 

 

I also said in my post, that a championship club would need to cover the bulk of his wages, which I think is the norm these days anyway. Lowly Bristol City cover the full 25k a week wages of Tammy Abraham for example. So, in terms of young fringe players costing us money. That wouldn't really be the case, not in terms of wages anyway.

 

I also think that even if he isn't deemed good enough for us after a year on loan, then his value to another team may well be spotted and we could even make a profit on his £7.5million fee. Look at Tom Lawrence for example. Still might not be considered good enough for us, but now has plenty of suitors after a successful loan period. 

 

If we are to get rid of any young, fringe player who doesn't immediately push his way into the first team, then we would be left with a pretty threadbare squad. The loan system is there to be used, and can be hughly beneficial to bigger clubs, who have young talented players that aren't yet ready for Premier League football, but have the potential to be and a 1 year stint in the Championship could have a huge positive impact on their development and can be a very positive low cost option to discovering if with regular game time, a player can show strong signs of making an impact at a higher level. 

 

 

You make some fair points and I dont disagree entirely, but I dont believe one should go out investing in a player, then loan him out before he hasnt had a few important games for his new club.Also how prepared is that player, in wanting the loan,

after he has agreed to sign for club 'A'. We fans Might see it as an easy alternative, not necessarily the player. Every young player wants to kick start  his career after his 1st real move. A la Gray...Who now quite rightly should be expecting even more game time in a city shirt. It could be that Kapustka came with 'a loan' possibilty in mind, if he couldnt get the break.

But why not see first in what will be his 2nd season what he can bring, and not just jump the gun. Some never quite took to Schlupp, and he didnt want to have another season of maybes.

Schlupp dont forget, though he like others were Hot then cold in a city shirt, had some important good performances in his last 3 seasons.

I believe before loans, as a club you use your squad through the season, at least the 1st 16-18 players. Installing, building confidence With each other  is top priority for me, Ranieri actually tinkered as some people put it, but only within a small group  he believed to be the  top 14 players.

For injury and small pauses/timeouts alone...and now we can afford it, we Should see a wide selection of Choice, through that squad. Everybody wants to see their teams have plan A-C,

not just in tactics but also player availability. A stable team is good, but a stable squad is better.Loans can be decided later 

 

 

[vanity]

Judging Kap based on this season strikes me as wholly unfair. It was a f'ing mess, right? Two coaches with two different objectives, the latter of which was indifferent to playing anyone not on the squad last season save for Slim and Wil, and obviously Wil is a necessity. With a clear role, having had a season to gain comfort with the physicality of the league, I think he is worth a loan and a look. Let's be real: we have seen enough of his touch in flashes to dream on his passing. With Mahrez looking to leave, we are going to need some players who with a bit of class at the right moment, and I'd probably put him, IDK, 3rd on the list of young lads with that class, behind Gray and Chilly? And possibly first if we are just looking at his passing. He has a very useful skill we don't have in surplus, selling low on him seems rash.

[foxoffderby]

2 hours ago, vanity said:

Judging Kap based on this season strikes me as wholly unfair. It was a f'ing mess, right? Two coaches with two different objectives, the latter of which was indifferent to playing anyone not on the squad last season save for Slim and Wil, and obviously Wil is a necessity. With a clear role, having had a season to gain comfort with the physicality of the league, I think he is worth a loan and a look. Let's be real: we have seen enough of his touch in flashes to dream on his passing. With Mahrez looking to leave, we are going to need some players who with a bit of class at the right moment, and I'd probably put him, IDK, 3rd on the list of young lads with that class, behind Gray and Chilly? And possibly first if we are just looking at his passing. He has a very useful skill we don't have in surplus, selling low on him seems rash.

Who the fuk is Wil? 

What does IDK mean ?

I presume Chilly is Chilwell 

It was a f'ing mess right? Are you American ?

Were is Mahrez going?

 

I think I'm getting too old for this forum

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, foxoffderby said:

What does IDK mean ?

I dunno

[foxoffderby]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I dunno

I don't know

 

42 tomorrow. I don't understand young speak anymore.

[spacemunky]

27 minutes ago, foxoffderby said:

Who the fuk is Wil? 

 

Ndidi

[foxoffderby]

1 minute ago, spacemunky said:

Ndidi

thank you. Off to bed now its 8.50pm

[spacemunky]

2 hours ago, foxoffderby said:

thank you. Off to bed now its 8.50pm

[Guest]

On 4/19/2017 at 23:20, Koke said:

We can recoup the money we paid for him.

 

Another new signing that has been totally mismanaged by the club. We have wasted a whole year of his development. 

Yeah it's awful that he hasn't managed to break into the team.

[StriderHiryu]

It's likely he will be sold, but I'd prefer to keep him and loan him out as we have done with Harvey Barnes. He's always looked like a mainstay in the Polish team so he definitely has potential. The way we play... perhaps we are not the team for him, but in 10 years time when this guy has 50 caps+ for a really decent international team it might feel a little galling to have gotten rid of him at such a young age.

[Foxes1]

Just watched him playing for Poland U-21's and he was substituted early in the 2nd half and he looked well off the pace. As he was going off the commentator mentioned that Cologne were interested in him.

[ALC Fox]

11 hours ago, Foxes1 said:

Just watched him playing for Poland U-21's and he was substituted early in the 2nd half and he looked well off the pace. As he was going off the commentator mentioned that Cologne were interested in him.

It's a shame, that, especially after arriving here with great promise and off the back of some impressive performances for their full national side at the Euros.

 

Maybe it's a lack of competitive game time. Then again England looked off the pace against 10-man France so maybe he just wanted to be on his holibobs.

 

I hope he develops this season. A six-month loan somewhere where he'll get first team football would be good for us and him. I'd be disappointed if he left permanently now but if he's never going to get a game then I guess it would be for the best.

[Wymsey]

He's been here for quite a good while now without breaking into the team, and can't see him doing so next season either.

It's recommended that he should leave, have a clean slate and become a first-team player elsewhere - despite the potential that's claimed.

[Matt]

Really wanna see the lad.

 

He looks good from what i've seen (Not much), I do struggle to see where he'd fit in, but off the bench he could do a job I think!

 

Can't help but feel that if we let him go he'll turn out good, bit like a Kramaric situation, who yes I did slag off, but at the same time he wasn't give enough opportunties here.

[fuchsntf]

6 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

He's been here for quite a good while now without breaking into the team, and can't see him doing so next season either.

It's recommended that he should leave, have a clean slate and become a first-team player elsewhere - despite the potential that's claimed.

Errm  he came Last season as an investment with 1st team aspirations, within 1-2 full seasons...

[thybluefox]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

Really wanna see the lad.

 

He looks good from what i've seen (Not much), I do struggle to see where he'd fit in, but off the bench he could do a job I think!

 

Can't help but feel that if we let him go he'll turn out good, bit like a Kramaric situation, who yes I did slag off, but at the same time he wasn't give enough opportunties here.

Agreed. We've only seen glimpses of him - but I've seen enough to think he's worth persevering with. 

 

He undoubtedly needs more game time though, a loan somewhere like Brighton until Jan would be ideal. 

[ARM1968]

This guy has serious talent. My Polish friends all rave about him. Like all players he needs game time and a consistent run. He's really had neither tbf to the lad. 

 

I want us us to keep him. Yeah loan him out if we think it will help his development. I'd rather he went to a championship side and learnt to scrap and fight in games, toughen him up. 

 

Dont nut want to do a Chelsea and let cracking players go for peanuts. Ohh....hmmm 

[ronnup]

He needs to go. Speaking as a half Polish person it's been awful for his career here. Never seen as a viable option really. He needs first team games and he won't get them at Leicester. We're all crying out for a number 10 and he knows he's not going to replace Shinji. Let him go 

[Spicer]

I said in the Amartey thread that "Why would you sell a young player who is good enough to play for their country". Same applies here. A loan however would be a good idea.

[foxes_rule1978]

Don't sell